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Residentevil
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EDGE, EDGE, EDGE. Is highly overrated. It is only a 2.5G network technology not that much faster than GPRS. It usually is only a filler for the transition to 3G, which is much much faster. So there is no need for SE to go all out with many phones to fill that need. |
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Supa_Fly
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Pish Posh! First read up on EDGE. EDGE is a 2.5G technology, but it does go up to 236kbps download with 108kbps upload (roughly). For those of us in countries that dont have the bands of 900/1800/2100 the latter for 3G like EurAsia (Europe+Asia) its needed. because GPRS is hella slow. Some providers, in South Africa, South & North America have millions; serious #'s of customers they support for EDGE and we're loving it, because there is no offering of WCDMA just yet outside of limited trials in the USA. So EDGE has its purpose. SE is missing out on millions of potential sales. So they now realize this hence the 4 devices now available. |
JK
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On 2005-08-23 04:05:54, Residentevil wrote:
EDGE, EDGE, EDGE. Is highly overrated. It is only a 2.5G network technology not that much faster than GPRS. It usually is only a filler for the transition to 3G, which is much much faster. So there is no need for SE to go all out with many phones to fill that need.
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Aghem, have you read up on edge?? 3g speed is closer to edge than standard GPRS, edge can also do live streaming, a bit distorted but non the less it allows very fast streaming!!!
Iv used it on a 6230i and was VERY impressed, my little K700 on the same network was about a min slower and didnt even load the full page!! |
Arne Anka
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On 2005-08-23 06:00:24, Prom1 wrote:
Pish Posh! First read up on EDGE. EDGE is a 2.5G technology, but it does go up to 236kbps download with 108kbps upload (roughly).
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That's just theoretical values. In practice if you get a download speed of anything between 70 and 100 Kbps, you have a good Edge connection (depends on distance to antenna, number of simultaneous users etc.).
With 3G the theoretical download speed is around 2 Mbps. In pratcical situations around 250-350 Kbps is more realistic values (3G networks have higher capacity than 2.5G networks).
If we talkk future and 3G HSDPA (next genration UMTS) we have theoretical download speeds of 14 Mbps. In practice it will of course be much lower, how much is hard to tells since HSDPA networks will be launched by few operators this autumn (first HSDPA phones will be available at beginning of 2006 according to Ericsson). |
JK
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But its the 23 Aug 2005!!! Edge afaik has been around for 6-9 months!!
So did  just ignore it it coz its irrelevant compared with 3G??
Also why are they using it now with the new Walkman phone?? |
jcwhite_uk
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On 2005-08-23 15:31:41, 786KBR wrote:
But its the 23 Aug 2005!!! Edge afaik has been around for 6-9 months!!
So did just ignore it it coz its irrelevant compared with 3G??
Also why are they using it now with the new Walkman phone??
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The z500i has been out for about a year now and that has EGDE so SE arent that far behind.
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JK
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I didnt even know that that phone existed till u mentioned it.
But what about their best sellers, ie P910, S700, k700, k750/w800??
I know the S710 has it. It could/should have been introduced at least with the k750/w800!!!
But no worries harping about it know I guess.... though any med-high end 2.5 phone released know should have it!!!! just my opinion! 
[ This Message was edited by: 786KBR on 2005-08-23 14:41 ] |
goldenface
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4G will use 3G infrastructure. That is where the future lays.
We have had this discussion before, in great detail.
Sony Ericsson's main markets are/were Europe and Japan, both had early 3G network and this is where the majority of its customers where. Why should have it bothered wtih EDGE if its core markets did not support it. What a waste valuable resources.
This is now changing with the introduction of Edge on mid range models and Sony Ericssons wish to boost low/mid end models and market share in Asia and North America and Africa.
The reason why it has only bothered with 3G handsets and technology in the past is because it is a young company and probably wanted to groom itself as a high-end niche manufacturer, which it did.
3G phones = high-end phones so that is where its resources went.
What people fail to realise is that NOKIA is 11 times the size of Sony Ericsson
Nokia employs 55,000 against Sony Ericssons 5000, which gives you some idea of the difference in the size between these companies.
David and Goliath anyone?
Nokia has got huge resources to release EDGE enabled phone after EDGE enabled phone at the drop of a hat and is able to compete in every market successfully.
simply hasn't.
Each handset had to be carefully targeted at a specific market / buyer or it would just lose out and a big mistake could be fatal to such a small company. |
JK
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What infrastructure does 3G use ... afaik gprs/edge?? right??
It still doesnt give a reason why the S710 and z500 have it and not others?? I agree that edge is just a bridge between gprs and 3G and not all networks support it! But its useful coz theres ALOT of data users!!! I assume more than Samsung?? |
jcwhite_uk
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3G uses a system called umts which works on 2100 mhz instead of the normal 2/2.5g systems.
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orange
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On 2005-08-23 16:32:41, goldenface wrote:
What people fail to realise is that NOKIA is 11 times the size of Sony Ericsson
Nokia employs 55,000 against Sony Ericssons 5000, which gives you some idea of the difference in the size between these companies.
David and Goliath anyone?
Nokia has got huge resources to release EDGE enabled phone after EDGE enabled phone at the drop of a hat and is able to compete in every market successfully.
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The difference in personnel is not as big as you may think. We are talking about the mobile devices here, right? Not the network and other stuff. Here's more comparable figures regarding employees:
- Nokia Mobile Phones (does the basic phones): 2558 employees
- Nokia Multimedia (does the multimedia devices): 2738 employees
- Nokia Enterprise Solutions (does business oriented devices): 2234 employees
That makes 7530 employees making mobile devices in Nokia. Not that much more than SE. This data is from the end of 2004.
[ This Message was edited by: orange on 2005-08-24 07:46 ] |
JK
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In China/Japan they use base towers for their data traffic, GPRS/3G/wifi and so on, coz apparently its the best in the world, so now makes the base towers but their hansets dont support all types of data usage??!!
I just dont get it??  |
orange
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On 2005-08-24 09:48:48, 786KBR wrote:
In China/Japan they use base towers for their data traffic, GPRS/3G/wifi and so on, coz apparently its the best in the world, so now makes the base towers but their hansets dont support all types of data usage??!!
I just dont get it??
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SE doesn't develop or make any network infrastructure. They purely concentrate to the mobile devices. |
JK
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On 2005-08-24 10:04:46, orange wrote:
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On 2005-08-24 09:48:48, 786KBR wrote:
In China/Japan they use base towers for their data traffic, GPRS/3G/wifi and so on, coz apparently its the best in the world, so now makes the base towers but their hansets dont support all types of data usage??!!
I just dont get it??
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SE doesn't develop or make any network infrastructure. They purely concentrate to the mobile devices.
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Ericsson does I mean... Im sure they do!! |
jcwhite_uk
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Ericsson not SE supply the infrastructure for several networks. Ericsson were avarded the first 3G network infrastructure.
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