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se_dude
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I guess the C905 kicked some real nokia ass...all the nokia fanboys are eating their shorts over it.. 
hey.everyone forgot the F305..nokia could not make themselves a motion sensored game yet..wheres the touchscreen??is it coming this year?? | |
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G-Izzat
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I think the touchscreen device from Nokia will be released by the end of this year.
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razec
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From the sample shots i've seen on GSMArena and phonedaily, i can safely say C905 beats N82 hand down  but the one eprice had shown seemed to be the similar to the C905 proto shot by mizzle on his blog, there's just too much noise there and the red cast were noticeable on subjects with too bright highlights, On the other hand, the gsmarena and phonedaily's samples were simply free from any of those annoyances C905's post processing on the sample images from GSMArena reminds me of Samsung U900's in camera post processing. what do you guys think?
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NightBlade
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On 2008-06-21 10:18:14, mib1800 wrote:
On 2008-06-21 09:29:19, islandprd wrote:
On 2008-06-21 09:19:54, mib1800 wrote:
Smileys are certainly good addition.
Aren't you contradicting yourself now? Arent you nothing but a Hypocrite that add nothing to the thread?
sounds like the world is coming to an end when the phone do not come with smileys.
Find my post saying that! Prove it!
I said: I too enjoy sms-ing with smilies, and that makes me a SE fanatic? Are you plain stupid?
You call me a hypocrite (without even looking at the context of the discussion). That makes you a jackass.
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mib1800
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On 2008-06-21 10:08:46, mr_lou wrote:
I wouldn't waste too much time "debating" with mib1800. He continuesly ignores what's posted, and make other claims in our name.
"You don't want it because there's no smileys" is a typical example of this, while the many other reasons I've given just somehow disappears from his world. So let me (once again) throw up the list with the things he asked me to tell him, about what things I have in my beloved W800 that the N82 does not have.
- A radio that has good reception. N82 does NOT has this, despite I tried two headsets (which btw both sucked)
- A mediaplayer with the basic stuff you'll hear many people complain N82 doesn't have. Alternative players doesn't work with the headsets with playbuttons etc.
- SMS functionality such as smileys, and date + time on the SMS in the folders. N82 does not have this
- It's possible to control volume on my Java games, fantastic.
- It keeps power for more than a day. Amazing.
- Much better Java abilities with a much bigger market offering much more games and application than you'll see on the Symbian market, and thus also a lot of freeware.
mib: I can do you the service of posting this list on each page, to help you remember.
I also proved that the amount of offered Java games are like 10 times as much for the W800 as for the N82. It's all on this page of this thread:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=170850&start=90
You like list do you? Here's a list for you. Wait... I already know what your pathetic response will be...you are gonna say: "Those things are not important because I dont need it" 
Here is what N82 have that SE dont:-
-N82 camera is probably the best on the market (at 5Mp)
-N82 Video recording is excellent with over 4X more pixels than than what SE can offer.
- N82 has GPS built in with pre-loaded maps and turn-by-turn nav.
- N82 has built-in 3.5mm jack which mean you can use your own headset without need to plug in another adapter (more gadget to bring along).
- N82 has a standard mini-usb port compared to proprietary port on SE
- N82 has a much faster processor incl better graphic chip allowing for running of complex app (like web browser) at good response level. And N82 built-in safari browser is one of the best.
- If you are into game, N82 is compatible with the new Ngage gaming platform thus have the possibility to play great 3D game (like in psp) instead of crap Java games
- N82 has stereo speakers. Good for showing/watching video with your friends.
- N82 has TV-out port. This means you can show your glorious photo/video immediately on the tv.
- Accelerometer support - flip silent, auto-rotate etc.
- High quality you tube videos. SE has crap you-tube video.
- Free high-quality apps like threaded sms, sports tracker, step monitor, active notes etc.
- Exchange client
- SIP support for voip.
- uPnP support where you can stream media to/from pc.
- 16 mil color compare to archaic 262K color for SE
- Photo tagging
- Direct blogging or photo upload from gallery.
- Download software from phone using Download.
- Better music quality with dedicated DSP.
- Better theme with ability to customised the entire phone. SE theming support is just pathetic (need to hack phone )
- Active Standby/Today screen
- Native Google map
- Integrated phone data searching (incl. much better contact search)
- MicroSD card support instead of cut-throat expensive card format
- Tons of 3rd party high-quality symbian apps.
- user data preservation when you upgrade firmware without going thru tedious data restoration.
- Better included accesories like tv-out cable. SE requires you to pay for it.
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islandprd
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On 2008-06-21 10:18:14, mib1800 wrote:
On 2008-06-21 09:29:19, islandprd wrote:
On 2008-06-21 09:19:54, mib1800 wrote:
Smileys are certainly good addition.
Aren't you contradicting yourself now? Arent you nothing but a Hypocrite that add nothing to the thread?
sounds like the world is coming to an end when the phone do not come with smileys.
Find my post saying that! Prove it!
I said: I too enjoy sms-ing with smilies, and that makes me a SE fanatic? Are you plain stupid?
You call me a hypocrite
Thats because You are! No more no less. I dont make it up.
If you dont understand the meaning I make it easy for you, I quoted from wiki: "Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself. For example, a teacher telling students they should not plagiarize, while secretly being a plagiarist himself. Hypocrisy is frequently invoked as an accusation in debates, in politics, and in life in general."
Let me point out. You said, "You are right. I dont really need smileys. " and yet your post are full of smileys.
In other post you said "Smileys are certainly good addition"
Arent you preaching one thing but believing other? Arent this what people call Hypocrite?
I am not maligning as I am pointing out the fact. Nothing but a fact! How about you? Aren't you putting slander remarks on people with no proof and keep flaming people?
Unless you can proof and back up what you accusing people here, I call for an open "Ban" for mib1800.
On 2008-06-21 10:08:46, mr_lou wrote:
I wouldn't waste too much time "debating" with mib1800. He continuesly ignores what's posted, and make other claims in our name.
To me he is just another "Ronka" with his own Nokia bigotry
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razec
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^^ I do hope all those listed infos were accurate and reality based(referring to the 16million LCD in N82, VGA video-res, photo tagging?) when N82 compares with the new SEs that inherits W800's features(i.e. X1, C905)
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se_dude
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On 2008-06-21 10:40:08, mib1800 wrote:
Here is what N82 have that SE dont:-
-N82 camera is probably the best on the market (at 5Mp)
-N82 Video recording is excellent with over 4X more pixels than than what SE can offer.
- N82 has GPS built in with pre-loaded maps and turn-by-turn nav.
- N82 has built-in 3.5mm jack which mean you can use your own headset without need to plug in another adapter (more gadget to bring along).
- N82 has a standard mini-usb port compared to proprietary port on SE
- N82 has a much faster processor incl better graphic chip allowing for running of complex app (like web browser) at good response level. And N82 built-in safari browser is one of the best.
- If you are into game, N82 is compatible with the new Ngage gaming platform thus have the possibility to play great 3D game (like in psp) instead of crap Java games
- N82 has stereo speakers. Good for showing/watching video with your friends.
- N82 has TV-out port. This means you can show your glorious photo/video immediately on the tv.
- Accelerometer support - flip silent, auto-rotate etc.
- High quality you tube videos. SE has crap you-tube video.
- Free high-quality apps like threaded sms, sports tracker etc.
- Exchange client
- SIP support for voip.
- uPnP support where you can stream media to/from pc.
- 16 mil color compare to archaic 262K color for SE
- Photo tagging
- Direct blogging or photo upload from gallery.
- Better music quality with dedicated DSP.
- MicroSD card support instead of cut-throat expensive card format
- Tons of 3rd party high-quality symbian apps.
- Better included accesories like tv-out cable. SE requires you to pay for it.
better music quality??according to gsmarena..its crap..
direct blogging was first started by SE in k810
16 million colors but still SE has a better display according to review sites..so its actually a downside...doesnt produce whats promised instead seeps in battery like a hog
high quality youtube vids??nokia and SE have different youtube sites or what??
LOLZZ..if nokia has the ngage platform(not yet launched) SE is going to launch the playnow arena..whcih include motion sensing games unlike that of nokia..
and whatever else you have wirtten..the C905 offers them and much more..including a better design and a better keypad unlike the N82..
and i forgot battery life..LOL
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islandprd
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On 2008-06-21 10:22:10, se_dude wrote:
I guess the C905 kicked some real nokia ass...
That is a little too early to tell. I am not convinced with its imaging perfomance. One photo shows too much compression while others still peppered with ugly purlish shades with noises.
all the nokia fanboys are eating their shorts over it..
hey.everyone forgot the F305..nokia could not make themselves a motion sensored game yet..wheres the touchscreen??is it coming this year??
Definetely not all, but notably a few here |
masseur
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last post removed
thats enough with the personal remarks thanks
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On 2008-06-21 11:05:12, masseur wrote:
last post removed
thats enough with the personal remarks thanks
Agreed!
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mr_lou
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I kinda envy you mib1800. Must be nice living in your own little world like that. I wish I could do that, maybe be a real SE fanboy. But I can't ignore facts, and facts are that SE has been failing which is why I tried the N82, and fact is that N82 is a crap phone compared to SE phones in general, and definitely compared to C905 I'm sure.
So lemme comment on some of the points on your list, and compare with C905 (because surely you're not counting the W800 as a worthy opponent for the N82?).
-N82 camera is probably the best on the market (at 5Mp)
I tend to agree with that, but let's see what the C905 will do when it gets here shall we?
-N82 Video recording is excellent with over 4X more pixels than than what SE can offer.
Can't argue with that, unless SE pulls themselves together.
- N82 has built-in 3.5mm jack which mean you can use your own headset without need to plug in another adapter (more gadget to bring along).
Which is completely USELESS since you STILL need the antenna anyway! So you NEED to buy a Nokia headset regardless of the plug! Also, the Nokia headset I bought needed an ADAPTER for the stupid jackplug, because there are no other headset from Nokia with playbuttons, resulting in a 5cm long plug. So it looks like I'm walking around with this incredible old phone with a huge antenna sticking out of it. Weee!! \\o/ <-- me cheering.
- N82 has a standard mini-usb port compared to proprietary port on SE
I personally prefer ONE plug that will CHARGE my phone at the same time. How lame is mini-usb when you need TWO USB wires if you want to transfer data while charging your phone? Lots of lameness. Carrying your charger with you all the time, are you? It's the only way of keep the N82 alive the way I see it.
- N82 has a much faster processor incl better graphic chip allowing for running of complex app (like web browser) at good response level. And N82 built-in safari browser is one of the best.
Can't argue with speed. Symbian NEEDS the speed (and eats it up), so obviously there's not the same kind of CPU in C905. But to the end user, there's no difference is there? Nope.
Don't know about Safari though, I'd say Mini Opera is just as useful to most people.
- If you are into game, N82 is compatible with the new Ngage gaming platform thus have the possibility to play great 3D game (like in psp) instead of crap Java games
You know nothing about Java. It'll run the same kinds of impressive 3D games on Sony Ericsson phones. Of course you wouldn't know this about Java since S60v3 can't run such stuff. And I prefer the freeware and adware Java games instead of the expensive N-gage games.
- N82 has stereo speakers. Good for showing/watching video with your friends.
I won't argue with this. It's kinda neat, but you're right. I'd say that I'd never use it. Whenever I've been watching videos on the phone with the girlfriend on e.g. a bus trip, we've always plugged in two headsets in order not to disturb the other passengers. We'd never use the phone speakers, be they mono or stereo, for watching videos or listening to music. It's also too poor quality for that.
-N82 has GPS built in with pre-loaded maps and turn-by-turn nav.
- N82 has TV-out port. This means you can show your glorious photo/video immediately on the tv.
- Photo tagging
- Direct blogging or photo upload from gallery.
- Better included accesories like tv-out cable.
- Native Google map
As far as I understand the C905 will have these things also.
- Free high-quality apps like threaded sms, sports tracker, step monitor, active notes etc.
As far as I understand, C905 will have a Sportstracker application as well.
- Exchange client
Don't know what you mean here, but Sony Ericsson phones has been able to synchronize with Outlook since their very first T68i.
- uPnP support where you can stream media to/from pc.
And you would do this ofcourse... for the 5 hours it'll hold power....
- 16 mil color compare to archaic 262K color for SE
True, and we can all see the magnificent difference.
- Download software from phone using Download.
Using "Download"?! What phone can't download software?!
- Better music quality with dedicated DSP.
I'm not even going to comment on that.
- Better theme with ability to customised the entire phone. SE theming support is just pathetic (need to hack phone )
That is indeed an advantage of a smartphone.
- Active Standby/Today screen
Yet again a personaly preference, which I myself did turn off in my N82. But I'll let you have it as a positive thing.
- Integrated phone data searching (incl. much better contact search)
Don't know how you can say that's better. I see absolutely no kind of phone data searching on my N82 that's better than what my W800 can do.
- MicroSD card support instead of cut-throat expensive card format
A personal preference. I personally don't care what card is used, except it would be nice if it uses the same kind of card that my previous phone used.
- Tons of 3rd party high-quality symbian apps.
LOL... all is relative I suppose...
- user data preservation when you upgrade firmware without going thru tedious data restoration.
I have never experienced needing to restore my data after firmware upgrades.
I still see only very very few advantages, and I don't want to have these few advantages on the expensive of loosing the other things I've mentioned a couple of times. I thought I did. I thought the camera quality alone would be enough to make me go with Nokia, but no. To me the only thing the N82 has going for it is the camera, short charging time, and that the UI is very customizable (but I still prefer the Sony Ericsson UI). And those things are far from enough to beat the disadvantages. |
mib1800
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@mr_lou
I kinda envy you mib1800. Must be nice living in your own little world like that.
Despite what you said about, I just like to tell you that my next phone will not be a Nokia. It is either a HTC Diamond/Pro or the Samsung i900.
I wish I could do that, maybe be a real SE fanboy. But I can't ignore facts, and facts are that SE has been failing which is why I tried the N82, and fact is that N82 is a crap phone compared to SE phones in general, and definitely compared to C905 I'm sure.
You dont need to wish. By this statement alone, it clearly shows you already a hardcore SE fanboy. Maybe you are in so deep that you are not aware, I give you that. You may see C905 as the your next jesus phone but in fact it has its own drawbacks.
Let's look at N82 vs C905. Apart from the camera (and the smileys ) there is nothing that C905 have that N82 don't in terms of functionality.
- N82 has much better video recording
- N82 supports true multi-tasking. C905 incorporates gps, wifi etc and it is essential that it can multi-task between all apps instead of java. Unfortunately, it will not be.
- N82 is much lighter than C905. I know to SE fans weight is very important since they always complain like mad how heavy Nokia phones are. btw: are you one of them??
- N82 is very fast. If C905 uses the same K850 platform, hopefully it is not as laggy.
- N82 will be much cheaper when C905 is released. Now N82 is like 300euro and what did I hear C905 price will be? 560euro?
- S60 platform is now very stable. C905 is incorporating wifi/gps/upnp for the first time A200. From SE track records with p990 and K850, dont tell me this doesnt concern you? Wait...it don't because like all SE diehard, you will bet your soul that SE will get it right.
- S60v3/N82 supports many 3rd party navigation software like tomtom, route and garmin. What about C905??
- N82 supports SIP / VOIP which means you can use software like fring or gizmo to make internet call. Can C905??
- N82 wifi supports all protocols. Can C905 supports 802.1x allowing for connection to corporate wifi. I read that SE UIQ3 phones cannot do that.
- N82 can access Exchange mail server. There is no mention of C905 doing that.
- 3rd party API. C905 has accelerometer. But is there API where dev can develop apps like flipsilent or a step counter etc.
- N82 has lots of 3rd party apps that extends the functionality of the phone. C905 is basically restricted to Java. If you only like to play games, then maybe it not a big issue.
- N82 is a gaming platform with ngage support.
There are still so many question marks wrt C905. But I suspect you being the true blue SE diehard, I will have no doubt you will find some silly excuses to dismiss these drawbacks as nothing.
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mr_lou
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It appears we also have different definitions as to what a fanboy is. To me it's someone who sticks to the brand and defends it no matter what. I did not stick with SE. I bought the N82. I do not defend SE. I complain about their lacks.
But I think I might keep my N82 just to be able to perform comparison tests on various areas when I get my C905. Then I might post these tests by then.
If I get disappointed, I'm not afraid to say so. I started this very thread by sharing how disappointed I am about previous models. So let's see what the future brings. |
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On 2008-06-21 10:40:08, mib1800 wrote:
Here is what N82 have that SE dont:-
*list removed for faster loading, check his post or below for the list*
Ah well, do your homework. You wrote "that SE dont", well then, let me correct you as to what SE does.
-N82 camera is probably the best on the market (at 5Mp) true
-N82 Video recording is excellent with over 4X more pixels than than what SE can offer. false
- N82 has GPS built in with pre-loaded maps and turn-by-turn nav. false
- N82 has built-in 3.5mm jack which mean you can use your own headset without need to plug in another adapter (more gadget to bring along). true
- N82 has a standard mini-usb port compared to proprietary port on SE false
- N82 has a much faster processor incl better graphic chip allowing for running of complex app (like web browser) at good response level. And N82 built-in safari browser is one of the best. false
- If you are into game, N82 is compatible with the new Ngage gaming platform thus have the possibility to play great 3D game (like in psp) instead of crap Java games false
- N82 has stereo speakers. Good for showing/watching video with your friends. false
- N82 has TV-out port. This means you can show your glorious photo/video immediately on the tv. false
- Accelerometer support - flip silent, auto-rotate etc. false
- High quality you tube videos. SE has crap you-tube video. true
- Free high-quality apps like threaded sms, sports tracker, step monitor, active notes etc. false
- Exchange client false
- SIP support for voip. false
- uPnP support where you can stream media to/from pc. false
- 16 mil color compare to archaic 262K color for SE true
- Photo tagging false
- Direct blogging or photo upload from gallery. false
- Download software from phone using Download. false
- Better music quality with dedicated DSP. partly false
- Better theme with ability to customised the entire phone. SE theming support is just pathetic (need to hack phone ) false
- Active Standby/Today screen false
- Native Google map false
- Integrated phone data searching (incl. much better contact search) true
- MicroSD card support instead of cut-throat expensive card format false
- Tons of 3rd party high-quality symbian apps. false
- user data preservation when you upgrade firmware without going thru tedious data restoration. false
- Better included accesories like tv-out cable. SE requires you to pay for it. false
The way you're writing stuff that other manufacturers don't have (or well, I just proved they do, didn't I?) is just pathetic, and everyone could do the same for every single manufacturer - even Sagem phones have features your fabulous N82 doesn't, if that's the way you want it!
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