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joebmc
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whizkidd
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On 2005-10-12 18:15:05, joebmc wrote:
What I’d like to know is how a religious person can denounce another religion? |
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A truly religious person won't denounce another religion in the first place!
Only pseudo-religious folks would do that.
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| What gives say a Hindu the right to say there god/gods are anymore “real” than a Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist or vice a versa? |
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Absolutely agreed!!
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| How does a Muslim know he is following the “right” religion? |
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Because the Quran says so!
As long as a Muslim cosiders Islam to be the "right" religion for him without imposing his belief on other faiths, i don't think there's a problem.
Trouble begins when a Muslim claims superiority of Islam over other beliefs with the intent of imposing his strong views on others!
Now this is not specific to Islam alone!
Fundamentalists have been and will be part of every major religion the world has seen.
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| Or a Muslim could be wasting countless hours of his/her life praying and missing out on fine things like pork, beer, wine and gambolling. |
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"Fine things" is subjective.. Whats fine for you might not be fine for me!
For me, 5 minutes of prayer a day isn't much waste of time!
How about wasting money and time on a "pleasure" like gambling?
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Imho, there is nothing wrong in believing that one's faith is the right one as long as one believes that the same logic applies to people who believe in other faiths too.
That simple!
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scotsboyuk
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@joebmc
The nature of relious devotion means that one has faith, that isn't something that one can 'prove', it is something one believes.
No matter how much someone believes their religion to be the true path they don't actually have 100% proof of that, if they did then we would all be following that one religion no doubt!
My own beliefs focus on this existence, the Tao is unknowable to me, therefore I do not waste my time in a vain attempt at understanding it. I accept that it exists, that is enough for me.
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Or a Muslim could be wasting countless hours of his/her life praying and missing out on fine things like pork, beer, wine and gambolling. |
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i wasn't aware muslims were forbidden from playfully leaping, skipping or frolicking about. 
a fundamental requirement of any faith is an element of doubt. that's the whole point. you accept something greater than yourself without conclusive proof of it's existence. if doubt were absent, in the words of terry pratchett, "it would be like believing in the postman".
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PeterKay
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On 2005-10-12 18:15:05, joebmc wrote:
How does a Muslim know he is following the “right” religion?
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It all boils down to how much faith you have in your religion, i am so lucky to have been bought up in a Muslim family. Being a Muslim i am taught was is right and wrong from day one, i am taught the purpose of life and the eternal life of the hearafter. Soon as we are born, the Adhaan (prayer call) is called in our ears reminding us that the Death Prayer is not far away (Janaza Namaz which is prayed before burial).
This life is a short journey for all of us, All us Esato members today will not be here One day. This fact we must all agree upon. We will all taste death and will be raised again on the day of judgement. At the time of Death when the angel of death will be visible to us - this will be too late to realise the purpose of life.
Verse 11 from Chapter 63 states:
But to no soul will Allah grant respite when the time appointed for it has come; and Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do.
Verse 19 from Chapter 3 states:
The Religion before Allah is Islam submission to His Will, Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
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gelfen
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On 2005-10-13 07:41:04, PeterKay wrote:
It all boils down to how much faith you have in your religion, i am so lucky to have been bought up in a Muslim family. Being a Muslim i am taught was is right and wrong from day one, i am taught the purpose of life and the eternal life of the hearafter. Soon as we are born, the Adhaan (prayer call) is called in our ears reminding us that the Death Prayer is not far away (Janaza Namaz which is prayed before burial). |
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substitute the words christian, christening and eulogy and i could make exactly the same statement.
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joebmc
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Do you think having been brought up in a religious family that you are forced to follow that religion. I understand that most of us are at that age to choose our own path in life but surly the early years of our lives our parents influenced us to take a certain path in life.
Can say a Muslim honesty say that if there parents had not been Muslim but Hindu they would still follow the Quran? (And vice a versa)
Do you think we are born with a religion embedded in us (kind of) or that we grow up to choose a religion?
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amnesia
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Muslims are usually given the option to change their religion or decide to stay with their religion at a given age.
Neither my father nor my mother made me follow their religion.
My mother is Christian my father is Muslim.
I chose Islam.
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joebmc
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If both your parents were Hindus do you think you would be a Hindu now?
Or if they were non-religious would you follow a religion?
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PeterKay
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On 2005-10-13 14:00:06, joebmc wrote:
Do you think having been brought up in a religious family that you are forced to follow that religion. I understand that most of us are at that age to choose our own path in life but surly the early years of our lives our parents influenced us to take a certain path in life.
Can say a Muslim honesty say that if there parents had not been Muslim but Hindu they would still follow the Quran? (And vice a versa)
Do you think we are born with a religion embedded in us (kind of) or that we grow up to choose a religion?
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We Muslims are never forced to follow our religion, even though i was bought up in a Muslim family - my parents never forced me to do anything. But after looking at their actions and lifestyle i would've been mad not to folow the same religion. I count myself so lucky and thank Almighty Allah for bringing me up in a Muslim environment otherwise i would not have known about the faith as i do today.
People today are afraid of Islam because of the media label it has been given but trust me it is a pure and easy going religion. The religion teaches you how to live your 24 hour life, we pray 5 times a day which is a MUST and fast in the holy month not only with our mouths but with our actions too, we give 2.5% of our wealth yearly to the poor and follow a Prophet (pbuh) who's actions are remembered daily all throughout the globe and Peace/Salutations are sent to him every minute of every hour till the final day.
Signs are everywhere of our Creator but most do not realise, we Muslims praise our Creator and Sustainer every second of our life and why should we not, he is the being that has give us life to prepare for the hearafter.
Chapter 13 Verse 3 and 4 states:
And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and flowing rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil over the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider!
And in the earth are tracts diverse though neighbouring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand!
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solidsingh
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are muslims allowed to reveice interest, someone told me you cant
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PeterKay
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No Muslims aren't. We cannot take interest.
Verses 130 and 131 from The Holy Quran:
O ye who believe! Devour not usury, doubled and multiplied; but fear Allah. that ye may really prosper.
Fear the Fire, which is repaired for those who reject Faith.
The definition of Interest, the literal meaning of interest or Al-Riba as it is used in the arabic language means to excess or increase. In the Islamic terminology interest means effortless profit or that profit which comes free from compensation or that extra earning obtained that is free of exchange. Riba has been described as a loan with the condition that the borrower will return to the lender more than and better than the quantity borrowed.
As muslims, our main concern when it comes to financial transactions is to avoid Riba in any of its forms, despite the fact that the basic foundation of the world economics and finance today is that of riba and dealing in usury.
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has foretold us of a time when the spread of riba would be so overwhelming that it would be extremely difficult for the muslim to avoid it. This situation calls for muslims to be extra cautious before deciding on what money payment of financial methods to use in any personal or business transaction.
To make sure that we are safe from Riba, we have to learn which transactions lead to it.
More on interest can be found HERE
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solidsingh
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so what do muslims say to banks when they open accounts
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Kwiksta
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well in the uk, you dont exactly have a choice do you...
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amnesia
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we do we have Islamic Banks.
They work by not taking interest.
For example a normal bank would give you a loan to buy a car (lets say it was 15,000) you have to pay back the load during a period of time which costs 20,000.
In an Islamic bank, they say, ok you want this car. The bank BUYS the car, then gives it to you and gives you a finance option which comes to 20,000.
It's a technicality but one that most Muslims have no choice with in this day and age.
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