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so who is religous here? |
JK
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On 2005-10-10 16:05:19, whizkidd wrote:
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Hmmm... Ganesha statues drinking Milk!
That was the biggest hoax of the year 1995!
I call them superstition and blind faith..
But hey!
Another point.
Some people believed it was Ganesha drinking milk, they believed it, they felt peace..
If some people felt happy about the fact that a statue drank milk and that it was some sort of a message from god, whats wrong in it?
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Wait doesnt the statue drink milk like once a year? coz my neighbors does!  Coz I try and explain to him as best I could that the milks at the bottom of the saucer, and hes like it probably had enough...
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whizkidd
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I've not come across any tradition or custom in Hinduism where people "feed" milk to statues....which is the reason why i am curious to know about your neighbour's yearly milk giving ceremony.
I've not heard of any festival in India which has this ceremony as a significant part.
I would like to know on what day or festival does he carry out this?
He's your neighbour rite?
Pls ask him and let me know.
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This is interesting.
What is the reason behind your "concern" towards his "superstition"?
1.You want to prove that scientifically it is not possible for a statue to drink milk.
2.You want him to stop worshipping a "lifeless powerless"
idol which he considers to be a manifestation of God.
And by showing to him that the idol isn't actually drinking the milk you want to prove that HIS god is not God? 
3.By "proving" to him that this wierd custom (for you) is just one of the many reasons why "my faith is better than yours"?
What is the reason behind your "concern" @786, if not amongst the three possible reasons that i've stated, you are free to furnish your reasons for this.
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@Whiz
You make more sense to me than anyone else in this thread of late, and this coming from someone who neither believes in gods or God or worships a diety. |
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Thanks ol' boy!
Scots, i am only stating what 21 years of following hinduism has taught me.
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gelfen
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whew, finally caught up since my absence
there's definately been an awful lot of tripe pedalled in the last 20 or so pages, and a few good points too.
@whizz: have to say i would agree with scots assessment.
i think there is a misconception between "idols" being used as the focus for belief, and idols as the object of belief. most religions have symbols and icons, which isn't the same as believing those symbols have any divine power in and of their own right. continuing this line of reasoning, assuming that "god" is everywhere those symbols could be considered another aspect his existence. they represent god and his divinity/glory/power/etc. but that does not mean they share it. they merely serve as an aid to worship rather than the inspiration for it.
however (and i'm being cheeky) if one was to say that "statues can't drink milk" that statement is inherently limiting of god's power. the obvious rebuttal would be "are you saying god couldn't make a statue drink milk if he so chose?" in that example the statue would have no divinity in and of itself, but would be an instrument of god's will.
but i'm not saying i believe in milk-drinking statues. beer drinking statues....well, that's something else
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JK
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@whizz
Its a Tamil tradition... I think ts coz I fed it milk and for 5 sec I was like WoW!!! But then I realised the paper towel at the bottom was getting wet... |
whizkidd
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Welcome back gelfen.
@786, Thanks for letting me know...
But am still confused about the festival which demanded them to "feed" idols!
And remember that i said this:
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I've not heard of any festival in India which has this ceremony as a significant part. |
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Anyway, you have still not answered why you are sooo concerned about his customs?
I also see a tinge of sarcasm in your posts about your Hindu Neighbour.
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JK
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Maybe im concerned coz we very good friends and have a lot in common and both are somtimes level headed its just weird for me that he can believe in that ritual... But we joke about it all the time so its cool... |
scotsboyuk
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On 2005-10-11 08:27:05, 786KBR wrote:
@ scotts
I have lotsa Hindhu friends, Im not speculating just calling it how it is.
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I have lots of friends of various religions; Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, agnostics (I know, not a religion per se), Sikhs, etc. Just because I know them doesn't mean to say that I have any sort of meaningful understanding of their religious beliefs.
From what I have seen in this thread so far you see practices in Hinduism, which you do not fully understand and have offered a range of emotions in relation to such practices; from confusion to scorn to humour to respect. That's fair enough, most people react this way to religious practices other than their own. It is neither criticism nor praise, rather an observation.
I find that where I do not agree on the religious practices practiced by others I ask myself if such practices make them happy and cause no one any harm, if so then I do not concern myself with the matter anymore. I am content to know that that person finds happiness and/or comfort from that practice whether it is in keeping with my own beliefs or not.
If one doesn't wish one's own beliefs to be mocked or ridiculed or feared then one shouldn't react in those ways to others' religious beliefs.
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Couldn't have said it better!!
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On 2005-10-07 14:59:51, amnesia wrote:
@Vanquish.
First of all, Allah and God is one and the same.
So if Allah doesn't exist, God doesn't. Allah is God just in the Arabic language.
Now, God doesn't want us to prove he holds our lives, he wants us to make most of our lives by bettering ourselves. (yes similar to how the Bible wants you to be a better person)
So at the end of the day, you'd be surprised how the Quraan and Bible are so close alike.
In Christianity you have to fast as well. (isn't that focusing on the wrong type of food during fasting?) Also, it is against Christianity to drink. Isn't that the same rule that focuses on food as well?
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IT IS AGAINST CHRISTIANITY TO DRINK?
what bollocks is that. to wilfully get drunk, well i dont know, but to drink alcohol.
and even if you did get drunk, god would forgive you, obviously you dont say 'im going to get drunk and god will forgive me' but if you like have too much without knowing your limits, or you are simply having a bad day and being rebellious and if you repent and are sorry its a ok baby!
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amnesia
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yeah but you can't just like do bad stuff and then keep on repenting.
When you repent once you are supposed to not do it again.
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methylated_spirit
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joebmc
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I assume you mean drink as in alcoholic. If this is the case what about the red wine drunk at a Sunday service (blood of Christ) I’m sure this wine isn’t alcohol free! |
joebmc
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What I’d like to know is how a religious person can denounce another religion?
What gives say a Hindu the right to say there god/gods are anymore “real” than a Muslim, Christian, and Buddhist or vice a versa?
How does a Muslim know he is following the “right” religion?
Or that a Christian will be forgiving for his/her sins. If the Christian got it wrong they’d go to hell according to the Quran which says in nearly every other verse something like “non-believers /Muslims will be sent to hell”.
Or a Muslim could be wasting countless hours of his/her life praying and missing out on fine things like pork, beer, wine and gambolling.
Just because it was writing down a long time ago?
What if 5000 years from now people read about Bush, Blair, Osman , Saddam and Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Tom Cruise. Would they be depicted as gods and demons?
How do you know your faith is the right one?
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Kwiksta
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he meant drink,as in, when you fast, you cant drink any liquid, like water...
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