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Bhavv
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On 2009-04-02 23:16:53, hihihans wrote:
Sorry I lost track in the british network discussion. But somehow every phone is still compared to the i-phone. Even after 2 years. I still love my K850i but an i-phone with a decent camera could ferry wel be my next, sorry  w995 or idou. 
I dont get why with the comparisons either, I dont get the OP in this thread either, but I like a good old I Phone argument anyday 
But really, looking back at the OP and this question:
while other phones such as the omnia, N96, P1 quicly come and fade?
Because other phone manufacturers are regularly improving the hardware and in built features on their phones. The Samsung Omnia has been given end of life by samsung already, likely because of the upcoming Omnia HD. Omnia users still get support from Samsung, and also whenever they want, an upgrade to a new, improved and better handset.
Similarly, N96 has not faded yet, it is still selling well, however it will be replaced by the upcoming N86 / N97. The P1 faded because there are far better handsets available on the market now.
The I Phone has also faded and died out. In other words, the first I Phone. The I Phone 3G will also be replaced and die out when the next I Phone is released, and so on and so on. The problem is that when discussing the 'I Phone', for some reason, this now includes both the I Phone and the I Phone 3G, and will probably include all future I Phones as well.
If you want to play that game, then similarly the Samsung Omnia has not faded at all because of the Omnia HD. The N95 / N96 have not faded at all either because of the N97 / N86.
However, it is true that have faded because they have no new quality handsets. People are moving onto other companies like I have because dont have anything good enough on the market.
But the I Phone is not anymore successful then the N range from Nokia, or the Samsung Tocco / Pixon / Omnia ranges, the only difference is that Apple do not have any choice of handsets like the others do, so people who want an Apple I Phone only have one model to choose from, wheras people who want a Nokia, Samsung, HTC or LG have multiple high end handsets to choose from now, so their sales are spread among each handset.
If you want an Apple phone with the nice UI and Safari browser, the only thing available is the latest I Phone. If you want a Samsung Phone, you have a choice - Omnia? Tocco? Pixon? Sales figures for each individual phone may be lower, but overall, the Apple I Phone is not in anyway more relevant then any other manufacturer, and their sales are extremely poor in comparison if you combine the sales of what other manufacturers have on offer. Yes they have low end handsets too, but I am sure that the combined sales of high end handsets from other manufacturers are higher then that of the I Phone.
If you can combine the sales figures for both I Phone and I Phone 3G, we can do so for other manufacturers and tell you for a fact that I Phone is nowhere near dominant or relevant in the mobile phone industry as of yet.
You cannot get an I Phone with a 5 MP camera, VGA recording, or expandable memory / removable battery. Good for you if you dont want those features, but I require them as bare minimums. I can choose a handset from LG, Nokia, HTC, or Samsung with features to suit my needs, as can everyone else that wants the same features as I do. The sales are going to be lower for each individual handset, because we simply have plenty more choice then you do.
*Waits for more silly replies from I Phone worshippers*
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hihihans
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Yes, back on topic. No good camera no i-phone for me thoug it would suit my mac. I think i'll stick to SE . Maybe nokia? Hmm
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Idou
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Bhavv: You are really funny sometimes 
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SloopJohnB
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Having only one option like the iphone doesn´t make the device any worse, it´s just a business strategy since apple decides to focus on a single device probably for development and marketing reasons.
Getting back to the topic.
The iphone brought attention to touchscreen phones like never before, it´s no longer a niche now but a solution everybody is following for mobile interface.
The iphone introduced multi-touch which is a wonderful technology for viewing files of any form, the best so far;
The iPhone steered focus towards ´human interface´ like never before. All the other OSs had been trying for years to copy the big desktop OSs in interface and user interaction, but then came the iphone and showed them wrong . A handheld device needs a different interface, easier to use and more straighforward, and also intuitive. We are seeing results of this in almost any manufacturer, specially palm.
The iphone implemented a new software business that is changing everytthing. All other manufacturers are creating ´app stores´ to compete with the iphone because noone has found a better solution for software distribution, ever.
The iphone put fuel in mobile development like never before. The app store´s sucess is stimulating software developers and the growth in mobile gaming for example has been amazing, almost 40% just because of the iphone, a single device!
The iphone shifted the power between carriers and manufacturers. Phones are usually designed following not only the ideas of the manuf. but also meeting demands from the carriers, wether in technologies the device will have, services it will support, overall looks, interface, OS, etc. Apple decided to make a phone the way it wanted it, no interference whatsoever. Apple included the functions, techs and services they saw fit and that´s it. Of course that didn´t come easy. In order for the carriers to accept such a ´different´ device, apple had to give 5 years of exclusivity to a few of them like AT&T or O2.
The iphone is making the 'smartphone' ´popular´. For years smartphones have carried a stigma of ´complicated´ or ´nerdy´ or whatever. Nowadays you see ´regular´ people using iphones and talking about mobile email, browsing, work applications, social applications and etc etc etc.
These are just a few of the reasons why the iphone is still relevant. Other carriers haven´t been able to produce a device that changed so many things at once or that kept changing the market since its release like the iphone.
There may be such a phone in the future but I don´t see one in the market now and LG Arena doesn´t even scrap the surface of the iphone´s impact. The way lg arena fits into all this is the part where the iphone introduced a new interface and new looks and suddenly there was pressure from manufacturers and carriers to ´copy´ that or stay up to date. It won´t be remembered and honestly, I would have never put these 2 devices together if it wasn´t for this thread.
Call me iphone ´worshiper´ or whatever, I call you a misinformed, stubborn, rude and ignorant teenage little boy. |
Bhavv
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The I Phone defence is ever tiresome and full of so much BS.
The I Phone is already a forgotten device by people who dont follow or worship the handset. It is still a phone on the market, but it is not in anyway more revolutionary or relevant then the N95 was.
If any other manufacturer other then apple had made the I Phone instead, hardly anyone would have been interested in the device.
The only thing revolutionary about the thing is Apples marketing. They themselves told retailers and people promoting the phone to use the word 'revolutionary' to describe the handset, and in their adverts, the phone was revolutionary because it combined a phone, IPOD, and mobile browser, like big deal.
LG are not going to be forgotten anymore then apple havnt been - dont forget that the Viewty and Secret are both highly successful handsets, maybe even more then the I Phone in some countries. The Arena isnt their only device of its kind either, they also have the wonderful 8 MP GD900 on the way.
I dont understand how I Phone fans give apple a free pass for producing an underspecified handset, not offering any alternatives or better specified and different priced handsets, and keep on hiding behind the same old repeated defense of UI and Apps, IE software. The last time I checked, software does not make out of date hardware revolutionary or relevant.
There are plenty of apps available for other handsets, they may be Java based but they are still there.
And in reality, I do not know one person who owns an I Phone or would ever want one, nor would anyone I know care about wasting their money on Apps, which by the way are mostly games.
You keep on bringing age into the discussion for some wierd reason, so let me give my opinion.
The I Phone is not an adults, or a professionals smart phone, it is a teenagers and average joe phone bought to look cool because it is pretty and made by apple.
I cant think that anyone who wants a serious high spec smart phone would even be interested in the I Phone, and as already said, most people who have one still have to use it with a second handset because it doesnt do everything that they require.
It is also only apple fans and people who have bought the phone that consider it to be more relevant and revolutionary then others, believe me, the majority of consumers and the mobile phone industry highly disagree with your pointless opinions that you like to state as facts.
You bought an I Phone, and you like it. Good for you. That does not make your I Phone relevant or better then anything else just because you like it.
And I am just going to enjoy the look on the faces of I Phone fans when LG completely shatters the I Phone sales numbers this year. And I'm not just talking about the Arena, but the GD900 too along with whatever brilliant device they release after it. So far, everyone that sees the GD900 wants it. The Arena on the other hand was not even LGs flagship device, but still recieved more then 1 million pre orders. Apple fans like to stay inside their little box and think that their software and apps make their phone great, but you see, the real grown up world disagrees and want to have a handset with better hardware that works out of the box, not an underspecified teenagers phone bought just because it is popular and sold so many units.
The I Phone is a pretty toy with apps, games, and a great UI, it is still a deficient phone in worldwide mobile phone market and will never be able to compete with, or outsell other manufacturers - their market share is under 5% right? That is relevant how?
I Phones 13 million sales still dont compare to LGs 100 Million, or Nokia 400+ million figures for just 2008. I Phone is only relevant and revolutionary to the people who bought it, to the rest of the grown up world, it is a rubbish device that no one wants.
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SloopJohnB
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What´s tiresome is how repetitive your are in your arguments and how you simply fail to see anything beyond your own twisted points. I presented you with facts. I didn´t invent any of that, it was all taken from newspapers, blogs and etc that I´ve read.
How can you say that the iphone is already a forgotten device when in MWC this year there was a sudden awake of ´touchscreen´ devices with ´program shops´ and such. How do you think influenced that? Has LG arena or even N95 influenced the design of other phones to this level? Clearly not. Stop being stubborn and immature and start seeing things like they are in the real world.
I have listed in my previous post a bunch a reasons why the iphone can be called revolutinary and they are all facts you can read about on the internet if you like. Saying it was all marketing AGAIN AND AGAIN like you keep on doing is beginning to look stupid.
You say LG will be as ´rememberable´ as the iphone. What are you doing? Comparing a company to the iphone? That doesn´t make sense. You can try to compare LG to Apple but they are totally different companies and it would be a totally different thread. If you wanna compare the iphone with LG´s phones, no lg phone has ever had about 1/10 of the impact the iphone had in the industry, they are usually ´me-too´ devices or have a ´good´ camera but nothing else special.
Again you talk about having a single product on the market as a flaw or something negative. It´s apple´s choice. Apple´s not worried about leading unit sales, never has, not even with macs, they worry about making distinguished products that offer somthing different, that´s it. They are not here to dominate the market in units number.
You mentioned java apps like they were as good or ´important´ as smartphone apps or even worse iphone apps. Do I have to say it´s an ignorant argument?
I know a bunch of people who wanna buy iphones, a guess a bunch of people here do too.
Before you begin your misinformed, biased and silly theory about the ´class´ of iphone users, let´s see facts ok? I use an iphone and I´m an adult, boing uses you too and he is an adult, masseur uses one and he´s and adult, I know other 3 people with iphones and they are all adults. I´ve never seen a kid with an iphone. I´ve seen however a bunch of kids with lg phones or even K, C and W series phones, mediaphones if you will.
I´m not saying these are not important consumer groups, they are, i´m just trying to show ´reality´ to you. Your friends dont want an iphone probably because they are kids too.
Your claim that the majority of users and the mobile industry disregard the iphone is a total distortion of reality to make things go along with your points. I´ve mentioned a few of the impacts the iphone had on the industry, I won´t mention them again.
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Bhavv
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And all you do is repeat yourself about the apps and UI.
The only reason why the I Phone is called revolutionary is because Steve Jobs painted this word into every I Phone advert, and into the mouth of every I Phone salesperson. O2 staff underwent a day of training before being allowed to sell the I Phone - they had to tell every customer that the I Phone was a revolutionary device.
With this level of marketting and hype, it is no wonder that the word 'revolutionary' got imprinted into everyones minds when discussing the I Phone, along with many many many made up and repeated reasons for why the I Phone is revolutionary, when in fact the whole 'revolutionary' thing about it was nothing more then extravagant marketting.
No one has ever claimed any mobile phone to be as revolutionary as the I Phone is, and this isnt just purely for the reason that phones on the whole arent actually revolutionary devices, but it is purely because of how apple sold the I Phone with the word revolutionary attached to in nearly every advert and retail staffs mouths.
I think a lot of people need to look up the word revolutionary if they still want to believe a user interface can be considered as that. Just because one device has a single better feature, IE the UI then another doesnt make it any more revolutionary or relevant. Of course you bought an I Phone. You like your shiny shiny toy. And then you run around claiming your phone to be revolutionary, dominant, relevant, the best thing since sliced bread, better then anything else in the whole wide world ...
Wait, isnt that exactly what children do when they get a new toy? |
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Bhavv, you keep beating your fists against the wall all you like. Black is white, up is down, you keep it coming.
I think the rest of the thread can probably see the irony in you denying the influence of the iPhone, while simultaneously touting LG's latest iPhone knock-off as teh best thing evah.
Have to chuckle at the circular arguments too. First we were told that the iPhone is irrelevant because it only sold 200,000 in the UK, then when you were corrected on that we were told that unit sales were irrelevant anyway as it was all just down to marketing and LG's lack of high-end phones, and now we're back to comparing Apple's sales of 13m smartphones to the 100m cheap handsets LG knocked out, as suddenly everything can be judged by numbers again (as long as they're stacked against Apple). What makes me think that the next time someone starts a thread like this, you'll be back in there claiming the iPhone only sold 200,000 units?
You keep trying to bring everything down to a checklist of features, all while ignoring the many other boxes that the iPhone ticks. It's funny because very early on this thread, we established that the Arena doesn't support Exhange calendars, contacts, or push email (or, through the use of apps, push tasks and notes either). These are essential features for me and many other users. I would never have considered the iPhone without them, let alone the Arena. I'd place the ability to carry my work calendar and contacts around with me far, far above the ability to picture message or take a video, and as a business feature it's far more important than copy and paste even. In fact it was the lack of Exchange that put me off the original iPhone as much as I liked the design - that and the impossibility of extending it with any third party apps. Two crucial features of any smartphone which LG, like most unit shifters of flashy and forgettable feature phones, ignore to this day. You question why people merge the two iPhone models into one when talking about the "iPhone" and of course the answer is that Apple themselves treat them as one model, gifting those very same smartphone and Exchange abilities to both the iPhone 3G that I bought and the original iPhone I rejected in 2007. That's a remarkable and unique thing in the mobile sector, regardless of your contempt for the notion of ongoing support.
Like others, I'm amused that a phone like the Arena should even be mentioned in this thread. Make absolutely no mistake, should Apple have never made the iPhone, and should LG's designers still have somehow cooked up the Arena independently, I still wouldn't have considered the Arena for a moment. Not in its own right, not even as a substitute for the non-existent iPhone. My last phone (an HTC Tytn II) ticked all the boxes you rant about - MMS, copy and paste, video recording, and it had full Exchange support, and it was a smartphone and therefore extendible with support for TomTom etc (which I still use it for today). For my needs it was many light years ahead of the Arena, and remains so even now. Only the iPhone could beat it, by simply doing most of the functions I cared about so much better.
PS - whatever you say about the networks, where I live, your T-Mobile Arena would simply not work as a phone - whereas my O2 iPhone actually gives me voice and data wherever I am, and for a reasonable price. You can argue with that if you like - and I'm sure you will - but like so many of the other elements in this discussion that you're ignoring, it's just a pure and simple fact.
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carkitter
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I think the opening post summed it up very nicely; the iPhone is the only perpetually relevant phone and that confounds many people.
I bought my iPhone because I wanted to browse easily on a mobile device and the iPhone plans were the only ones in NZ to include data. And that data was at a good price too, at the expense of included minutes though.
It took me months to break out of the Bhavv type mentality that spec is king - I used to find ways to use every feature of my SE phones. Now I use apps instead and it's totally addictive.
The iPhone is relevant because it brought personal computing into a user friendly mobile platform for the masses. It doesn't suit people who want to create media (5Mp photos and DVD-like video) and it doesn't suit some business types - there is WM and BB for those people. But its clear that 'standard' feature phones have painted themselves into a corner by chasing ultimate technology especially in this economic environment. If you could put A200 on a A100 phone and upgrade your T630i with T700 features then SE would be as relevant as the iPhone too. Same goes for the Nokia N-series, why can't you put N97 features on a N95 1GB or a N73 even. Older N-Series like older SE's are irrelevant. Older iPhones and iPod Touch's are not.
I'd personally like W980 features in my much loved V800. Not going to happen though.
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SloopJohnB
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Did I mention apps and UI on my previous post? Do you see who always repeats himself? It´s def. not me. My only mention to software was a correction to your very wrong idea that java apps match smart apps, wake up, ok?
There you go, like I had said already on my previous post, talking about marketing. AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN. Why don´t just go read newspapers, blogs and etc and see that your wrong? The impact on the industry is so real it won´t be hard to find info about it, I assure you.
You keep saying Steve Jobs forced the word ´revolutionary´ on everybody but you fail to see, probably because you are misinformed like you´ve proved already, that after the first iphone was announced the ´media´ and ´news´ on all different channels generated around it before its release corresponded that something like 400 mil usd. How much of all this money came form stevo´s pocket or even apple´s? None, not a penny. It´s was all because of the ´impact´ it had on the industry and also general culture.
I´ve never said other phones aren´t revolutionary but this is an iphone thread remember?
I won´t mention lg arena again in this post not only because it´s getting repetitive but because I see no more reason in it. This thread is about relevancy and lg arena is not relevant to iphone´s level, period. |
Bhavv
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I think the rest of the thread can probably see the irony in you denying the influence of the iPhone, while simultaneously touting LG's latest iPhone knock-off as teh best thing evah.
Isnt that exactly what you say about the I Phone, like DUHHHHHHHH???
And the Arena has a better browser then the I Phone:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7977206.stm
The I Phones browser is 'clunky' in comparison.
Like others, I'm amused that a phone like the Arena should even be mentioned in this thread. Make absolutely no mistake, should Apple have never made the iPhone, and should LG's designers still have somehow cooked up the Arena independently, I still wouldn't have considered the Arena for a moment.
Like others, I am amused that you actually think the I Phone is a decent phone. I would never considered wanting the I Phone for a moment, but the LG Arena definately is ticking lots of peoples boxes right now.
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SloopJohnB
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The video you posted about lg arena just shows that the browser is slow, clunky and takes a while to actually find what you really want in a page. Plus, contrary to what is said, not having the ´smart two taps´ that automatically selects a portion of page is BIG DISAVANTAGE. You have to keep pinching in and out and panning sideways like the guy does in the video and the overall ´slowness´ doesn´t help it AT ALL.
Just another reason to say safari is a very good browser and a browser that can provide a faster and better experience on an older hardware so you see how crappy is LG´s software. |
Bhavv
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It is funny how you find LGs software crappy when it is absolutely brilliant, and when someone who has tried both the Arena and the I Phone finds the Arena to have a better browser, you just disagree to defend your crappy I Phone.
To anyone with a functional brain, the LG Arena is technically superior to the I Phone. Its just funny how desperately you carry on trying to defend the I Phone and refusing to accept that anything can be better when it so clearly is.
Yea, you will keep on defending your precious I Phone, even though hardly anyone agrees with your defence for it.
Keep on going with the I Phone worship while everyone else are better off with something else.
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