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kokosalaki
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@semo
Thank you for sharing this information , at last somebody has given reasonable answer for my question  |
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scotsboyuk
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@kokosalaki
The answer was given long ago.
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OluYom
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Hopefully, this thread can now rest (in peace?) 
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mib1800
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very simple solution. maybe SE should drop IR port from the phone and put in EDGE. This may equalize the production cost.
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scotsboyuk
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That isn't a bad idea actually, although the politics of it probably mean that it won't happen.
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orange
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On 2005-05-10 05:30:23, scotsboyuk wrote:
That isn't a bad idea actually, although the politics of it probably mean that it won't happen.
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I don't actually get what's the politics in this case? SE won't bring EDGE to devices because of 3G?!?! What's the politic in there? Those two are not competing technologies in any way. It wouldn't hurt anybody if the device has both EDGE and WCDMA. |
OluYom
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@orange: Again, the answer has been given a long time ago, as Scots has mentioned. Do we have to go through it all again?
People have made deals you and i may not understand. But they have - and that's all that matters now.
That's why its called politics. We "lesser" mortals usually have no idea of whatz going on behind the scenes.
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scotsboyuk
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On 2005-05-10 09:44:07, orange wrote:
I don't actually get what's the politics in this case? SE won't bring EDGE to devices because of 3G?!?! What's the politic in there? Those two are not competing technologies in any way. It wouldn't hurt anybody if the device has both EDGE and WCDMA.
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EDGE and WCDMA are very much competing technologies from the networks' point of view. The European networks have spent a lot of money on 3G and EDGE would complicate matters for many of them in that people may choose a viable laternative to 3G.
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clank
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Oh so se are foregoing edge so that 3g can develop. Bollox!! I would expect a company whose market share is falling and which has seen a huge fall in profit margins in the first quarter of a new fiscal year to think more about themselves than the good of mankind. In the last year they've spent a considerable deal of money on adverts here in india(print, tv and hoardings)...something that they never did before...they want this market but they just cant have it. Lets wait and watch what europe gives them in return of all this goodwill...
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dave_uk
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How very bizarrely bitter you are, clank?
Is there something behind this vengeance towards a mobile handset manufacturer that inspires you??
Were you perhaps beaten with a SonyEricsson as a boy???
Or do you just like to continue arguments that have, by general consensus, ended????
Tune in for clank's next instalment to find out... 
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Super G
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On 2005-05-10 13:31:27, scotsboyuk wrote:
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On 2005-05-10 09:44:07, orange wrote:
I don't actually get what's the politics in this case? SE won't bring EDGE to devices because of 3G?!?! What's the politic in there? Those two are not competing technologies in any way. It wouldn't hurt anybody if the device has both EDGE and WCDMA.
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EDGE and WCDMA are very much competing technologies from the networks' point of view. The European networks have spent a lot of money on 3G and EDGE would complicate matters for many of them in that people may choose a viable laternative to 3G.
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Not quite competing in this sense.
- Operators with 3G only license
Here, some partnership with some GSM operator is needed and they would very much like the same services be available to their customers outside their 3G coverage. EDGE enables this to some extent.
- Operators with both a GSM and a 3G license:
EDGE and WCDMA complement each other, and EDGE allows for providing some 3G services where WCDMA does not reach. Of course, there are operators like Vodafone in UK who are not planning to deploy EDGE, yet. THey have spent billions on a license and 3G infra and are thinking its enough.
- Operators with a GSM license but no 3G license
EDGE allows them to be more or less in par (service-wise) with competing operators with a 3G offering
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dave_uk
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Indeed, there are possibilities for them to be complementary technologies, but would you not agree that they are primarily in competition for the same market segment, and that operators who have already spent vast sums on 3G licences would be foolish to:
a) divert attention towards a technology that reduces the attractiveness of 3G to the end user.
b) invest in development of EDGE, where the money could better be spent supporting the development of 3G, which they are very much financially committed to.
I just think that although you have a point, it would be impractical for the operators to be thinking of implementing EDGE in markets where it is not already available in the current climate, as well as the fact that it would probably ultimately drive down the prices of data-intensive services for the consumer which the operators are relying on to recoup their costs.
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clank
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@dave i've used 3 se handsets all 3 of which i consider excellent products, however i'm not so blinded by their brilliance that i dont realise that their proposed updates are over-priced and incapable to meet the requirements of the age. To point this out in the forums is what i believe we all are here for...oh wait you do know that, dont you?? I find the answer offered dissatisfactory and i will in all fairness raise my doubts...
Continuing with the thread dont forget se's offerings for asia-pacific...j200, j300, k300 and k500. 4 phones for a market they're not aiming at..hmm
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On 2005-05-10 14:19:59, clank wrote:
Oh so se are foregoing edge so that 3g can develop. Bollox!! I would expect a company whose market share is falling and which has seen a huge fall in profit margins in the first quarter of a new fiscal year to think more about themselves than the good of mankind. In the last year they've spent a considerable deal of money on adverts here in india(print, tv and hoardings)...something that they never did before...they want this market but they just cant have it. Lets wait and watch what europe gives them in return of all this goodwill...
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Clank, have you not been reading the posts 
First of all, even if SE did introduce Edge enable phones in Europe then the Operators still probably wouldn't take them up as they have invested millions in 3G networks and licences.
As has already been posted, SE is commited to 3G because it is superior to Edge and that is where it predicts its future lays.
Also BTW, although profits have fallen - according to the lastest figures Sony Ericsson market share is still growing and in the last quarter it has taken the NUMBER 5 position from Siemens.
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dave_uk
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@clank
Nobody said that  was not "aiming at" a number of markets, but that is not the same as being primarily focussed on the European market. If one understood the mobile industry, this would be obvious as European 3G licences is where all the operator money has been invested, and the fortunes of handset manufacturers is inextricably linked to that of the operators.
As for the handsets you mentioned, how many of them are exclusively for asia-pacific?! Certainly, all bar the j200 are scheduled for UK availability as well...
You are not blinded by loyalty to a manufacturer but by your demands that a manufacturer should cater for your market's requirements, whether their business plan agrees with that or not.
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