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Why is the Iphone More Relevant Than Others |
goldenface
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My sister is in her 50's (hope she isn't reading this). How about ringing her up and telling her to send me pictures of her boozer so I can work on building a website for it?
Where is the ease of communication? After all, thats what being mobile is all about isn't it? Making things easier?
Explain to her what 'jailbreaking' is. She'll tell you to do one. 
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anonymuser
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If she's got an iPhone then for her to take those pictures and email them to you is the work of moments, and whether she's in her fifties or not, just as easy if not easier than sending a picture message on many other phones. Try and find a smartphone that's easier or more intuitive to use than the iPhone - it doesn't exist.
If she doesn't understand or use email, then clearly a phone like the iPhone was never for her in the first place - that's not the fault of the iPhone or anything to do with its MMS abilities.
As Masseur says, if somebody didn't get the pictures you sent then the network's at fault. They should have just got a text with a link which would open them up in Safari. Are you sure your phone actually sent them? That's rather less likely than an iPhone being unable to receive a simple text message.
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masseur
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you don't need to send an MMS to send a picture! ... and taking and sending a still is a doddle on the iphone
jailbreaking is more or less a one click operation and just one extra thing you have to do to get extra stuff on your iphone
if you buy a windows pc and want to create spreadhseets it usually doesnt do it out of the box (unless you get some freebie included of course). you have to go out and buy the software and learn how to install it and configure it
its really not that different, or hard
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chleh92i
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Hi everybody what s the email s sitting of iphone ?
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Barachus
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On 2009-04-02 14:33:12, Boinng wrote:
As Masseur says, if somebody didn't get the pictures you sent then the network's at fault. They should have just got a text with a link which would open them up in Safari. Are you sure your phone actually sent them? That's rather less likely than an iPhone being unable to receive a simple text message.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-04-02 13:36 ]
he obviously just made it up, we all know that any phone that cant receive MMS will simply recieve a text message with a link to the MMs online
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floatlite
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This thread is so full of a lot (although not all) people talking ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS about so many things.
The people doing the most bitching about 'the iPhone' or 'the other brand' have no idea about the reality, as they most likely
1. have never owned the item they are bitching about
2. think the phone they bought is the best thing since sliced bread, because they bought it and don't want to look foolish having bought a device that might not be the best one out there
3. are ignorant.
The iPhone is (like it or not) revolutionary in so many fronts in the mobile market place, they fundamentally have changed the way the market operates, and have brought benefit to even the non iPhone customer, and why?
...Apple removed the balance of power from the network providers, and as a handset producer, took control of their product, they decided on the software, and firmware, they decided on the branding, and they put the consumer focus above the networks.
Traditionally the market has been dominated by the networks, demanding that the handset makers customise this, and disable that, to suit their own agenda (usually making more money).
The massive impact of the iPhone has changed that. Any network not offering the iPhone have been urgently looking for an answer, and many have come and gone, SE X1, HTC, Nokia 5800, Blackberry Storm etc etc. The networks are also being more open, i.e Vodafone UK now do not sim lock their contract phones, and have removed branding from many handsets (Nokia 5800, Samsung Tocco Ultra etc).
This has led to better deals and pricing for everyone, iPhone customer or not.
As for the technical merits of the iPhone against the others, well, there has NEVER been a handset that has been UPGRADED to the level of the iPhone, and by upgraded, I do not mean bug fixes. From day one of iPhone software 1.0 through to todays 3.0 beta2, EVERY iPhone sold can be upgraded, and make use of the new features (other than if the older hardware does not support, ie 2G iPhone has no GPS)
NO other handset has ever had this. How many times does Nokia or SE effectively re-hash a handset adding a few items and features, and calling it a new number? and why? to keep the mugs, sorry consumer, buying the latest handset, and keeping the networks happy with a fresh offering to let them tie in the consumer for longer.
If you buy a iPhone 3G on PAYG, you can upgrade to your hearts content and other than top up never pay another penny.
As for the shortcomings of the iPhone, yes of course there are some, but generally they have a reason.
Shortcoming I can see, that the lay person may think are major are,
1. 2 MP camera, ok so its not amazing, but its plenty good enough to use on the phone, or for the odd quicky picture, but lets get serious, even the best phone camera are not that good in real terms.
2 no flash on camera. That is a real shortcoming, and if you a night crawler or night club snapper could be a pain (but it's still only a phone camera)
3. Built in battery. And??? the problem?? So how often do you remove the battery in your phone? exactly you don't only if you need to remove your sim, Now being truthful have you ever bought a new battery to replace a worn out one? Most people never do, but you have, well with the iPhone you can get a new battery for Ģ59 UK and guess what, you get a whole new iPhone along with it, thats right they replace the whole unit. Do Nokia, SE etc do that? nope you get to use your old scratched up unit with your lovely new Ģ35 battery.
4. No expandable memory, come on 16GB not enough (and 32GB from June). Really 16GB (32GB soon) is actually ALOT of space, like 800 songs, 3 full length movies, 25 odd video clips, and 450 photos. I'm sure you really don't need more, its a phone!!
5. Bluetooth. V3 has AD2P and it works well (although wired headphones will ALWAYS be better), and pier to pier file sharing is also in there, along with BT tethering as a modem. It's a bit poor it was not there earlier though.
6. no MMS, copy paste etc, agreed version 2.... software does not have them, but it'll all be generally available in V3 coming soon, and they all work...very well
..and best of all, all previous iPhone owners get it for free.
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anonymuser
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At the end of the day Apple approached the design and subsequent development of the iPhone in a completely different way to the existing manufacturers and networks, and it's paid off for them in a big way, whichever way you look at it.
Some of us completely get what they're doing and the priorities they've applied (getting things like the email and internet experience right before worrying about MMS for example), for others it doesn't work because they need a better camera or whatever. The thing is, that's fine. But the fact that the iPhone doesn't have this that or the other feature that you personally need doesn't mean everyone else is wrong, or automatically inferior to brand X, and it doesn't mean that it's not an extraordinary device in countless other ways.
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skblakee
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No matter how we feel about the iPhone we all have to agree that Apple did very well for their first phone. |
Bhavv
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On 2009-04-02 17:51:06, skblakee wrote:
No matter how we feel about the iPhone we all have to agree that Apple did very well for their first phone.
Second, actually.
This is one confused paragraph. Are you actually saying that the iPhone beat the competition in America because it was better, because that's certainly how it reads. Not really sure how that squares with your other statements.
Different countries, different markets different competition.
When the first I Phone released, In America it was Iphone vs Motorolla Razr. In Europe however, it was Iphone vs Nokia N95, no such phone as the N95 has been available in america, in fact, the first 5 MP phone to be released on the American market was the Samsung Tocco under a different name. The first 8 MP phone was similarly recently another Samsung model, they have no phones by SE, Nokia, or any of LG's more advanced handsets there, paving the way for the I Phones success on the market, contributing mostly towards its 13 million sales.
Hence, 13 million units sold worldwide doesnt really mean jack because each seperate country that a phone is sold in has a completely different market and competiotion.
However, in the UK, O2 and the I Phone are still terrible for data use.
O2 launched 3G in 2004, and HSDPA in 2006, the same year as T-Mobile. But I've no idea why the history of O2 is relevant anyway, I had nothing to do with O2 until they launched the iPhone 3G and didn't switch to them till October 2008. The tarriff I'm on is basically the same as my previous Vodafone contract + data bundle, the network coverage is fine (I'm in a fairly rural area where the likes of T-Mobile and Three are often unusable for voice let alone data) - basically switching for the iPhone was a no-brainer.
T mobile and 3 have had over 90% 3G coverage in the UK while O2 and Voda were still struggling at around 30%, and orange around 25%.
T Mobile and 3 were also the first networks to bring data tariffs and mobile broadband deals into the UK market, O2 never offered any such data package untill after they got the I Phone.
T Mobile has been voted the best network for Mobile Broadband in the UK, they have the fastest speeds and best coverage and connection reliability in the UK, while being second to 3 for pricing and allownaces, but both T Mobile and 3 share their 3G coverage now, and they are much furthur advanced then any other UK network in the Mobile Broadband and Data tariff areas.
O2 still cannot come close to the data plans offered on T Mobile. When they do, I might be interested in them. You can defend your I Phone and O2 as much as you like, but they still cannot beat T Mobile for Mobile Broadband use.
If you are as old as you say you are, you actually do know very little and have the temper of a 12 year old.
I dont even think that O2 or Voda offer any data package with allowances in Gigabytes, let alone any that allow both Modem and VOIP use through your handset. They are both backward networks when it comes to mobile broadband.
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SloopJohnB
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I personally don't care about mms, i've had it for years but never bothered to use it because the quality was just so low it wasn't worth it.I Must have used it twice in my life. It's the least important thing in os3 to me. |
Bhavv
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On 2009-04-02 21:05:26, SloopJohnB wrote:
I personally don't care about mms, i've had it for years but never bothered to use it because the quality was just so low it wasn't worth it.I Must have used it twice in my life. It's the least important thing in os3 to me.
Well, you see, on T Mobile, sending MMS is free throughout Europe for Flext users and comes out of their allowance at the normal rate.
The only reason why MMS never took of is because people refuse to use it, as well as poor support from other networks. I have tried sending many messages as MMS instead of SMS without pictures because for me they actually do work out cheaper, but a lot of people dont have handsets capable of recieving them.
MMS is superior to SMS, even for just text messages - more characters for a cheaper price, however it seems to be too poorly supported on networks other then T Mobile, and maybe also 3 in the UK. You can send them yes, but I get them for cheaper then SMS - Sending one MMS = 20p, cheaper then a tripple text message.
Orange and O2 have for a long time offered tarrifs with unlimited SMS use, but never included free MMS like T Mobile do, even though MMS is cheaper for the networks and can be for consumers as it it on T Mobile.
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SloopJohnB
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OK.... but, you know this long talks about carriers donīt make the iphone any worse right? Itīs still great as a handset and Iīve heard of people in this forum happy with theirs O2 iphones, maybe they live in a area with better O2 coverage or maybe thay donīt mind paying more for quality. Thereīs no use in good coverage if you donīt have a great browser and itīs very hard to beat safari, plus the solution of carrying a laptop with you at all times kills the concept of a smarphone in the first place so thatīs almost the same as no solution at all.
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Bhavv
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Of course removing both Modem and VOIP use on my mobile phone makes it worse for me at least, I cant use it as a modem or for Ventrillo then.
I can use my T mobile handset as a modem, and use VOIP while playing my MMO's, that is one feature I never want to lose.
Yes the I Phone supports these features, but those features are crippled by O2, hence you have remooved two important features that many many T Mobile and 3 customers enjoy using.
It also cant replace a camera for me. As much as you may enjoy using your I 'phone, you would still need to carry a second phone or a camera around with you if you want to take pictures.
I am never going to leve T Mobile for O2, and I need a phone with a good Camera and fast internet (7.2 Mbps now, not 3.6). The I Phone does not deliver the specification I need, thus making it a worse phone due to its poorer spec. It may be good enough for you, but I like a lot of mobile users require something BETTER then the I Phone, and yes, I do have a better handset thanks very much.
But look at this way, if the I Phone was not network exclusive, and could be bought sim free and unlocked without losing warranty, it could have sold nearly twice as many units.
But the I Phone in its current state is a worse phone because it has a rubbish camera and crippled data use, both of which are important to a lot of users.
I greatly doubt that people who rely on using their handset for data use can rely 100% on the I Phone, as I already mentioned, a lot of high end users who bought one use it alongside a blackberry or similar device, or alongside a better camera phone, because truth be told, the I Phone does not do everything that other devices do, it is just easier to use with a better UI, but with less features.
Also, just because millions of people buy a product, doesnt exactly make it good because it has sold lots of units, it just makes it popular. The I Phone can be bought by anyone simply as a nice shiny toy with a flashy UI. That doesnt immediately make it better then the other handsets that are available.
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hihihans
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Sorry I lost track in the british network discussion. But somehow every phone is still compared to the i-phone. Even after 2 years. I still love my K850i but an i-phone with a decent camera could ferry wel be my next, sorry  w995 or idou. 
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SloopJohnB
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Like floatlite said, iphoneīs impact on the market is more important than unit sales. It envolves mobile development, interface, hardware and software markets. Thatīs not an opinion, itīs a fact.
LG Arena is not ībetterī than the iphone as a mobile phone. Itīs a different kind of mobile that targets a different audience, thatīs it. And in terms of features and functions, due to the fact that it is a īregularī phone instead of a smartphone, itīs by concept, design and development, LESS CAPABLE than the iphone. The difference between the two devices will only grow with time as iphone development evolves both in number and complexity of functions and apps.
However, even with all this, the best phone in the world is the one who suits your needs, so buy whatever you need/want and be happy. | |
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Posted: 2009-04-02 14:21
