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darrengf
Joined: Dec 21, 2003
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I can get the phone to produce some dark pics very easy.
Just turn the phone arround and take a shot of yourself at arms length.
The pics can be good, dark or black.
Turn the flash of and the pics are bright and general fine.
I took a photo of my friends in a resteraunt sat over the table which is about 1 meter appart and they all came out black, i changed a few settings and in the end switched the flash of and they then came out natural and fine.
It all seems to do with whats behind you, the colour and brightness.
If you are out side i cant fault the pics.
To be honest i have just come back from Vegas and took both my phone and digital camera.
I have taken the same shots with both.
My honest conclusion, the phone took slightly more natural shots than the camera (Better colour) clarity and sharpness were the same.
Indoors and the phone fell on its head, shocking, bluriness, dark and colours either too high in colour or not enough.
Camera didnt have any problems at all.
The camera is a Sony W5 (5mb) with no change in settings.
I am a point and click person. Ok not ideal in every sittuation, but ideal in most indoor and outdoor shots
However the video i took with the phone inside the same hotels are very good on the phone and playback on the comp, Colour, contrast very correct. So it seems to be when taking the pics.
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larry 68
Joined: Nov 09, 2007
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mine takes lots of hit and miss pics and i hold it exactly as suggested in the manual.
1st SE phone for me and last if they dont fix the firmware, just a shame im tied in now for 2 yrs,
this threads starting to depress me now ! |
darrengf
Joined: Dec 21, 2003
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Dont get depressed.
Theres always light at the end of a tunnel 
currenlty its a candle in the K850i, but i know, hope and pray that SE fixes the issue.
If not then consumer power will do the rest.
[ This Message was edited by: darrengf on 2007-12-26 22:26 ] |
obentou
Joined: Sep 19, 2005
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From: Toronto
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Really.
I can't get it to take any dark pictures, out of 2 K850i's I've been through. Unless I purposely obstruct the flash in some way.
I see why you may be getting dark/black pictures now. If your middle finger's knuckle is in ANY close proximity to the flash, the pictures will turn out that way. Moving the knuckle 1-2cm away from the flash, and the pictures turn out good as usual.
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darrengf
Joined: Dec 21, 2003
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Done that and i get slightly better pics, but i can still get them to be dark.
I even use the self timer (so no hands hldint the phone)
I dont think its the phone or camera it self but the use of a white auto focus.
The white auto focus lamp puts extra light on the close subject, so the camera thinks its quiet bright, this cause then the pic to be dark.
The red auto focus lamp on a camera doesnt cause this as Red doesnt show up as bright on a subject. So this may be the series design flaw in the phone.
So the fault may lie with the auto focus lamp it self. What do you think
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larry 68
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I'd say darrengf's Vegas experience of the phone pics is spot on, soooooo similar to the probs I have, admittedly I'm not a great photographer but the pics I took indoors last week of my niece on her 1st birthday where awful, just 1 good shot out of a dozen and many blurry yet I held it as still as humanly possible
I have a 3.2 meg digi cam and never take blurry pics.
I'm pleased for anyone who has no camera probs but I can assure you I hold the phone on the silver edge and fingers are nowhere near the back.
Incidently my sister also took pics with her K800 and hers where fine without fiddling with any settings, ah well.
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darrengf
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And just to prove my theroy.
1st photo was taken with the phone inside the Venitien in Las Vegas
The 2nd one with the digital camera.
Both on auto, nothing changed or altered.
You can see the difference your self. The phone is blury and colours are wishy washy.
The camera one wasnt.
** Look at the top of the photo, on the camera you can see blue sky, look at the phone one, its more white **
*** Pic Taken with SE K850i on Auto ***
*** Pic Taken with Sony W5 Digital Camera on Auto ***
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baste07
Joined: Nov 07, 2002
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have had the phone for 5 days, and no complains so far. |
darrengf
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Now pics of when I was out side, The phone Behaves very differently.
These pics are taken at Busch Gardens in Tampa FL, 2 weeks ago.
1st one was the K850i and the 2nd one the Sony Camera.
The pic from both are fantastic, but for me the phone took a much clearer pic even thought the light was slightly different.
*** K850i Pic taken ***
*** Sony W5 Camera Pic Taken ***
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larry 68
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indoors
blurry
outdoors
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darrengf
Joined: Dec 21, 2003
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So the moral of the story is so far.
Out doors the phone is fine.
Inside its hit and miss.
Now i know that the new firmware should be out for most phones shortly.
Vodfaone, Tim and some Generic customers can update now and the camera version should also have been updated with VF update, so if any one can take pics with the new version of cameras firmware to see if it improves?
I know that new phones shipped from T-mobile uk are also coming with R1AD038 now as well (Info from another forum)
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obentou
Joined: Sep 19, 2005
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From: Toronto
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Well, decent pictures here and there, and like you said, hit and miss which I agree from your results.
In my opinion, I never expect a cameraphone to rival the optics and sensory mechanisms of actual digital cameras. A phone is a phone, and a camera is simply an asset of the device. Although companies like Nokia, SE, Samsung, LG, etc. are trying to overcome this, I cannot see anytime soon a cameraphone that can rival a digital camera in terms of picture quality and reproduction taken everywhere. Perhaps it can in the outdoors when lighting isn't a problem, but I am already quite impressed by the K850i's performance indoors.
My standards may be too low, but what the heck, it's a good thing I guess. I've got no complaints about it - only thing I want is the UI to be sped up until all animations are smooth. They did this with the P1i, where the transitions were made so much faster that it was actually usable - there is no reason the K850i can't improve in terms of UI speed. I'd also like for most of the bugs to be fixed, which will be a definite bonus, if not a necessity for most of us here.
Hope to hear some good news from Sony Ericsson the next month.
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zzr-matt
Joined: Dec 27, 2007
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Just upgraded my VF branded K850i to R1AD038 va the update service.
Everything seems to be ok so far with one exception, it now seems to be ignoring the "default contacts" option. This is currently set to "Phone contacts" but if the sender is in the contacts on my SIM then those details are displayed for incoming calls etc. This was not the same with the previous R1CA029 version i had installed.
I tried a master settings reset but no difference! Anyone else seen this issue?
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vbayma
Joined: Mar 30, 2006
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My Dear darrengf and larry 68 it seemns we are in the same boat.
vbayma
Let me show an example of some pictures in the same place....but diferent configurations....
First a picture with the Twilight portrait mode....the flash had fired but no diference at all.... blurryed and yeloowed
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vbayma
Joined: Mar 30, 2006
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Now the same scene but with all automatic mode
Opps! Almos all black photo!!
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Posted: 2007-12-26 23:13
