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cu015170
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On 2014-01-28 23:54:55, mlife wrote:
WP has the WellsFargo app here in the USA... good enough for me... and when using the 808, the mobile site looks exacly like the app.... so whats really the difference when you just place the link on you homescreen..... the answer is NONE - there is no difference IMO.
They do ? Nice.. I guess its still a bit nicer than going to the website. I do all the time, but I use opera mobile instead of the built in browser .. it opens the full desktop version of the website.
On 2014-01-28 11:55:40, mlife wrote:
VEGAS... Last week of February??? 
I wish man.. I probably won't get out there until EDC .. but I will be in Florida at the end of March 
On 2014-01-28 12:04:35, Away wrote:
Are you hearing yourself? I genuinely think you've lost it...
'Small sensors'... It's not a DSLR, all phones have small sensors... If the guy wants to shoot good quality photos, he'll get a proper camera...
At least he doesn't have to live with an extinct, dark age OS...
You should read my post again and try to understand better what I was trying to say.
For starters my opinion is NOT a universal law or anything of that sort, its only my opinion..
Its all a matter of perspective and personal taste. For 99.9% of the people out there who in fact care about image quality on their phones an iPhone 5 or a GS4 is simply amazing because they don't know any better. As soon as you introduce them to something substantially better than those two phones, which is what the 808 is, then they will have a much better perspective on the matter.
I am leaving that small fraction for 808 owners who indeed maximize the potential of what it has to offer in terms of imaging. I believe that all of the 808 owners who post here do so quite often.
The other group are the people that either don't understand what IQ means and what it consists of, or the simply don't care about tiny little pixels, dynamic range, etc. For those folks.. well.. they might think that the iPhone 4 is a phenomenal camera and they don't need more than that.
Catch my drift ? People only know what they know.. until they discover something new.
For me personally, the 808 is a true stand alone camera replacement, and besides the 1020.. nothing else even comes close. So my perspective on the matter is rather squed from the general expectations on the subject, but that doesn't make it wrong.
The sensor size is extremely important. Yes, they are all relatively small compared to stand alone cameras that have one, and one purpose only, but the one in the 808 is significantly bigger than any (expect the 1020) other smartphone out there. It will be very hard for me to use a smartphone with a much smaller sensor.. unless there is a huge leap in sensor technology, size will continue to be one of the most important factors in their performance.
I hope that now you have a better understanding of my views on this.
I am not saying that the gs4 and z1 are bad, they are simply.. sub par based on my requirements, which are based on extensive experience with a phone which has much better photographic capabilities.
On 2014-01-28 10:26:00, Bonovox wrote:
GALAXY S4 is a quality camera phone
See, this is where I think that you are going in circles.. the difference between the GS4 and the Z1 is marginal at best. To my eyes, they are both messy and I won't be able to stand the IQ for long.
On 2014-01-28 10:26:00, Bonovox wrote: So your even suggesting that to only have quality we have to have only Symbian which is dead or Windows Phone which is still not progressing enough as an OS anymore?? That all Androids are crap or useless for quality? ? I
Not, not at all.. but if you want the best quality, that would be the case. So its a matter of average quality vs. top quality and you seem to choose the former. I know that there is more to a phone than just the camera, but I am strictly addressing the camera aspect here.
As far as android.. Google can keep that VM/Java based malware of an OS for themselves 
On 2014-01-28 23:11:56, Luca-S wrote:
I really like Nokia OS/Symbian but today it's just outdated and look really lagged... 
It's simply unusable as primary phone.
Our needs have changed and grown over the years...
Oh,and i still can't see any phone being better than my old DSC-TX30. 
Just out of curiosity, what do you do on your phone that would make Symbian unusable ?
Also.. sorry to say, but based on the samples here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-tx30/5
The DSC-TX30 overall has inferior IQ and a much narrower lens compared to the Symbian flagship discussed here.
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On 2014-01-29 07:22:50, cu015170 wrote:
As far as android.. Google can keep that VM/Java based malware of an OS for themselves
You know for someone that recently accused android fans of lacking maturity you prove to be exactly the same with this kind of statements. Do you have anything at all that can substantiate what you just said? |
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No wonder why the first (and some of the second) pages in the esato photo gallery highest ranked photos are those taken on a 808 !
Btw, I have my two banks apps in WP (halifax and barclays). No issues here.
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On 2014-01-29 08:32:52, aussieland1 wrote:
On 2014-01-29 07:22:50, cu015170 wrote:
As far as android.. Google can keep that VM/Java based malware of an OS for themselves
You know for someone that recently accused android fans of lacking maturity you prove to be exactly the same with this kind of statements. Do you have anything at all that can substantiate what you just said?
Which part ? Android does run a virtual machine (Dalvik), which allows a lot of the applications to run in a "sandbox", or in other words.. not native code. For me personally, that is not optimal and the OS is not "clean" enough.. sorry for being picky.
The second part:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
"gather sensitive information, or gain access to private computer systems"
I use it in a sense that it does the same to your personal information, which then allows google to make money off of you by selling that indexed data to advertisers. Its a "human behavior malware" ...
One small example: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01[....]roid-users-texts-well-hold-on/
Android is nothing more than a advertising distributing platform, with data mining capabilities, and I stay away from it.
Also, the fact that it needs VM to run its applications is really annoying to me..
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I don't get why Android/iOS users have even bothered to argue here
Symbian is dead and buried even by Nokia, the only reason people here put themselves through the pain of using it is due to the 808PV having the best Camera.
On the other hand there's WP, not taken seriously by developers or even OEMs, Nokia are the only ones who really bother and guess what? They are owned by the OS vendor . Same situation as WP, people using it mainly for the good Camera HW bundled with WP handsets. People having to use Mobi sites to do banking on a 2013 smartphone kind of says it all really. I stopped using mobi sites when I left Symbian.
There really is no point in arguing, Symbian/WP users will cling hard on the Camera straw much like arguing with a BB user will have them clinging hard on the whole Security straw, they can't argue on any other grounds as Android and iOS pretty much destroy them in everything else, therefor pointless to even try engaging in a proper debate.
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On 2014-01-29 09:47:11, cu015170 wrote:
Which part ? Android does run a virtual machine (Dalvik), which allows a lot of the applications to run in a "sandbox", or in other words.. not native code. For me personally, that is not optimal and the OS is not "clean" enough.. sorry for being picky.
The second part:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
"gather sensitive information, or gain access to private computer systems"
I use it in a sense that it does the same to your personal information, which then allows google to make money off of you by selling that indexed data to advertisers. Its a "human behavior malware" ...
One small example: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01[....]roid-users-texts-well-hold-on/
Android is nothing more than a advertising distributing platform, with data mining capabilities, and I stay away from it.
Also, the fact that it needs VM to run its applications is really annoying to me..
Actually you are conveniently leaving one part out (just to prove a point?): malware is used to gain control without the user consent where on Android you can opt out from having your personal data used for ads. Also i am not sure if you used IOS (but i do know that you have been praising it in the past) before but it actually works the same way- your data is used to generate ads and you can opt out of that as well- does that mean that IOS is malware as well?
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As far as virtual machine is concerned- i see your point even though with the cpu's being so powerful these days i doubt it makes a difference from a user point of view (evreything certainly runs faster than on Symbian etc) but android 4.4 has introduced ART which precompiles the code then the app is installed so that the app doesn't have to run in a virtual machine......
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That is obsessed Pure view fans voting all the photos or the Brazilian of Esato. They vote down photos by other OEM's. I haven't gone back to Android just for a banking app. The WP platform has not improved or changed enough. You can't even upload photos on IE10 and it never saves passwords etc. I could go on about all the features still inadequate on WP but I'm at work now and can't be arsed to write them all.
Phone?? What phone?? |
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What cracks me up is how 808 users (myself included) get backlash for calling it the best camera but then the best anyone can ever do is beat the same dead horse over and over....
-you have no apps,
-your platform is dead,
-its not a proper smartphone"....
BLA BLA BLA ....
The FACT of the matter is this - It's all about preference, if you're too good to use mobile banking pages via web and MUST have a glitzy "App for that" , thats fine by me and I'll never fault a user for their choice... BUT enough of this crap already! When you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
I get it, there are haters out there and alway will be, I'm just tired of how LAZY society in general is becoming... OMG, the world is going to END because I actually have to log on to my bank via the webpage!!! boo-hooo-hooo.... some people (maybe its just me) couldn't give a crap less about apps or processor speed and I don't fault those who don't care about image quality. JUST PLEASE STOP trying to put something/someone down because it doesn't meet YOUR needs. HOLY CRAP - GROW UP already. You (general term / not directed at any individual) will NEVER convince me to buy an android/ios device based on the current arguments just as I would never suspect you'll put down your device for an imagining phone with IQ beyond your desire or understanding.
Is a Toyota prius better than a 1967 A/C Shelby Cobra 427 just because it has fancy computer and the latest Li Battery technology.... Sure to some - ABSOLUTELY - Me, Ill take the Cobra EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.... but I guess Im just a lame symbian user.... OH WELL
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On 2014-01-29 16:12:57, mlife wrote:
What cracks me up is how 808 users (myself included) get backlash for calling it the best camera but then the best anyone can ever do is beat the same dead horse over and over....
-you have no apps,
-your platform is dead,
-its not a proper smartphone"....
BLA BLA BLA ....
The FACT of the matter is this - It's all about preference, if you're too good to use mobile banking pages via web and MUST have a glitzy "App for that" , thats fine by me and I'll never fault a user for their choice... BUT enough of this crap already! When you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
I get it, there are haters out there and alway will be, I'm just tired of how LAZY society in general is becoming... OMG, the world is going to END because I actually have to log on to my bank via the webpage!!! boo-hooo-hooo.... some people (maybe its just me) couldn't give a crap less about apps or processor speed and I don't fault those who don't care about image quality. JUST PLEASE STOP trying to put something/someone down because it doesn't meet YOUR needs. HOLY CRAP - GROW UP already. You (general term / not directed at any individual) will NEVER convince me to buy and android/ios device based on the current arguments just as I would never suspect you'll put down your device for an imagining phone with IQ beyond your desire or understanding.
Is a Toyota prius better than a 1967 A/C Shelby Cobra 427 just because it has fancy computer and the latest Li Battery technology.... Sure to some - ABSOLUTELY - Me, Ill the the Cobra EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.... but I guess Im just a lame symbian user.... OH WELL
+808 to your comment. The defense rest its case, your honor.
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On 2014-01-29 16:12:57, mlife wrote:
When you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
i personally respect the users choice- if you are happy with 808 is fine. But you have been presented already with a list of plenty of tasks that Nokia 808 can't do so i am not too sure what you are on about |
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On 2014-01-30 14:57:38, aussieland1 wrote:
On 2014-01-29 16:12:57, mlife wrote:
When you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
i personally respect the users choice- if you are happy with 808 is fine. But you have been presented already with a list of plenty of tasks that Nokia 808 can't do so i am not too sure what you are on about
Please list them... and lets not lose site of the two items you have quoted above.... I'm curious
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On 2014-01-30 15:31:29, mlife wrote:
Please list them... and lets not lose site of the two items you have quoted above.... I'm curious
Now just to clarify- this is something that i peronally find useful (use very often) but i understand it might not be useful to other people:
1) get up to date live traffic report . I live in London and i can easily find when the next bus/tube is coming in the train station nearest to me or how to get anywhere fro my current location
2) like i said before nba tv/sky go/ virgin tv/sun plus to watch live games/ highlights from premier league
3) pingit app to send people money instantly (for people registered you only need their mobile phone number). and no using paypal is not the same at all
4) connect the phone to ps controller and play the game on the TV
5) photo editing (as in paste 2 photos next to each other, cut a part of one and paste it on top of the other one etc)
6) high definition games not available for Nokia 808 (it wouldn't even be able to play them plus there is no more app store fro Nokia)
7) various apps that you would say look the same as the mobile site actually send you push notifications (eurosport is one of them)
8 ) sync with tablet /pc in terms of web browser and also photos/all media with the tablet
9 ) the web browsing experience is not even close
10) seamless sync of my contacts between pc and the phone
11) deep integration of facebook (lumia 1020 has it but not 808)
12) Google Now- plenty of useful features i.e. fav teams scores, flight times, etc
i am sure i can find out more if you want but i am at work at the moment so i need to rush this
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On 2014-01-30 16:02:55, aussieland1 wrote:
Now just to clarify- this is something that i peronally find useful (use very often) but i understand it might not be useful to other people:
1) get up to date live traffic report . I live in London and i can easily find when the next bus/tube is coming in the train station nearest to me or how to get anywhere fro my current location
2) like i said before nba tv/sky go/ virgin tv/sun plus to watch live games/ highlights from premier league
3) pingit app to send people money instantly (for people registered you only need their mobile phone number). and no using paypal is not the same at all
4) connect the phone to ps controller and play the game on the TV
5) photo editing (as in paste 2 photos next to each other, cut a part of one and paste it on top of the other one etc)
6) high definition games not available for Nokia 808 (it wouldn't even be able to play them plus there is no more app store fro Nokia)
7) various apps that you would say look the same as the mobile site actually send you push notifications (eurosport is one of them)
8 ) sync with tablet /pc in terms of web browser and also photos/all media with the tablet
9 ) the web browsing experience is not even close
10) seamless sync of my contacts between pc and the phone
11) deep integration of facebook (lumia 1020 has it but not 808)
12) Google Now- plenty of useful features i.e. fav teams scores, flight times, etc
i am sure i can find out more if you want but i am at work at the moment so i need to rush this
[ This Message was edited by: aussieland1 on 2014-01-30 15:08 ]
WoW... there's no nice way to say this so I'll just say, your illiteracy is ASTOUNDING... what part of NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS was confusing for you??? I have highlighted a few for example sake...
Ill say it again....
Until you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
I'll provide a more indepth response when warranted.
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On 2014-01-30 16:29:17, mlife wrote:
WoW... there's no nice way to say this so I'll just say, your illiteracy is ASTOUNDING... what part of NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS was confusing for you??? I have highlighted a few for example sake...
Ill say it again....
Until you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
I'll provide a more indepth response when warranted.
i don't know if you are intentionally being thick but all those name highlighted are related to actual tasks that i am doing every day. Now you can call me illiterate as much as you like but all you are proving is that you can't have an intelligent discussion with you |
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On 2014-01-29 15:14:00, Bonovox wrote:
That is obsessed Pure view fans voting all the photos or the Brazilian of Esato.
There are plenty of sony fanboyz downvoting my photos all the time..
For example
Which part of that photograph deserves a 1 ? Obviously plenty of people thought that its awful...
On 2014-01-29 10:14:54, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Symbian is dead
What does that even mean ? My phone, which runs on Symbian, is very much alive and it works perfectly fine.
On 2014-01-29 10:36:47, aussieland1 wrote:
Actually you are conveniently leaving one part out
But how many people choose to opt out of that ? Very few, and that's what they count on. You can choose to believe whatever your heart desires.. I personally dislike android and stay away from it.. its just not my thing. It works just fine for millions of people out there, so I know that it works fine, its just not my cup of tea.
On 2014-01-29 16:12:57, mlife wrote:
What cracks me up is how 808 users (myself included) get backlash for calling it the best camera but then the best anyone can ever do is beat the same dead horse over and over....
-you have no apps,
-your platform is dead,
-its not a proper smartphone"....
BLA BLA BLA ....
The FACT of the matter is this - It's all about preference, if you're too good to use mobile banking pages via web and MUST have a glitzy "App for that" , thats fine by me and I'll never fault a user for their choice... BUT enough of this crap already! When you can INTELLIGENTLY present to me
A) A phone which takes better photos or
B) A phone that can do a task (NON-specific / NO NAME BRANDS) that you can't accomplish with an 808 or even a 1020 for that matter then please STFU.
I get it, there are haters out there and alway will be, I'm just tired of how LAZY society in general is becoming... OMG, the world is going to END because I actually have to log on to my bank via the webpage!!! boo-hooo-hooo.... some people (maybe its just me) couldn't give a crap less about apps or processor speed and I don't fault those who don't care about image quality. JUST PLEASE STOP trying to put something/someone down because it doesn't meet YOUR needs. HOLY CRAP - GROW UP already. You (general term / not directed at any individual) will NEVER convince me to buy an android/ios device based on the current arguments just as I would never suspect you'll put down your device for an imagining phone with IQ beyond your desire or understanding.
Is a Toyota prius better than a 1967 A/C Shelby Cobra 427 just because it has fancy computer and the latest Li Battery technology.... Sure to some - ABSOLUTELY - Me, Ill take the Cobra EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.... but I guess Im just a lame symbian user.... OH WELL
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