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Samsung uses software tricks to inflate Note 3 benchmark scores


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Posted by tranced
Samsung has reportedly implemented software tricks to artificially inflate the benchmark scores for its Galaxy Note 3 smartphone. Ars Technica noticed that the Note 3 outperforms LG's G2 by a wide margin, despite both devices being powered by the same 2.3GHz Snapdragon 800 processor, suggesting the company is continuing the overclocking strategy first observed with the Galaxy S4.

Renaming a popular benchmarking app eliminated the performance disparity, confirming that the device operates in a special mode only when running popular benchmarking apps. The optimized mode appears to prevent any of the processor cores from dropping down to the typical low-power idle mode, though the 20 percent jump in overall benchmark scores points to deeper optimizations such as overclocking.

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Posted by hihihans
they cheat

Posted by xell
For shame!

Posted by Wishmaster89
My God! I'm shocked! Can't believe what I'm seeing
No, but seriously. Look at this thorough post by Arstechnica it clearly shows that when the system doesn't recognize benchmark app it caps the performance and if the same happens with games it means that this whole quad CPU isn't worth being called Quad CPU. I don't know what Samsung is thinking.

Before you start defending their decision, think about it this way. If the system activates all four cores only for benchmark apps what is the point of having quad core device? Don't start with the whole benchmarking is meant to determine max possible performance or things like that. They are trying to prove that they are the fastest by making them run at full throttle even if in normal usage you'll never get access to this performance.

Bravo Samsung for showing how honest you are

P.S.
No, I'm not fanboy, I just don't like cheating. If in near future it'll turn out that Sony or HTC is using the same technique I'll say the same thing I'm saying now. So don't start this whole silly fanboy war and just admit that samsung is fixing scores.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Question to all Galaxy Note 3 users, does this upset you in anyway?

Posted by Gitaroo
They pretended that they have done nothing wrong with s4, I would be more surprise if they dont do it again with note 3.

Posted by rikken

On 2013-10-01 20:17:16, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Question to all Galaxy Note 3 users, does this upset you in anyway?



Nope, the Note 3 performs exellent I don't give a shit about Benchmarks, it is of no use to me. I can't see why it is a problem that they gave the phone a boost for benchmarking, even without this boost it still is on top. Another storm in a teacup, people are dying to punish Samsung coz' they can't tolerate their success.

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-10-01 20:40:10, rikken wrote:

On 2013-10-01 20:17:16, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Question to all Galaxy Note 3 users, does this upset you in anyway?



Nope, the Note 3 performs exellent I don't give a shit about Benchmarks, it is of no use to me. I can't see why it is a problem that they gave the phone a boost for benchmarking, even without this boost it still is on top. Another storm in a teacup, people are dying to punish Samsung coz' they can't tolerate their success.



Thought as much, that's all I needed to know.

Cheers!
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-01 19:51 ]


Posted by itsjustJOH
@rikken If I had a Note 3, I'd say the same thing. This is probably a part of Samsung's marketing strategy. A small part, but they want to cover everything to be safe on top of the market. They got busted, so what? They are on top, no other comes close. It would hardly affect their sales. Right now, this is hardly relevant as a lot of people had bought the Note 3 and a lot more would do. If this was HTC, it could mean the difference between life or death for the company.

Posted by Wishmaster89
Question to all Galaxy Note 3 users, does it upset you that your super fast sports car doesn't allow you to drive faster than 80 km/h unless your participating in a race?

Is anybody denying the fact that even without those 'cheats' note 3 turns out to be as fast as the rest of the devices? No.
It's about the principles, if the device is fast enough to be competitive why artificially boost the scores by 'taking the gloves off' and showing off?

And no it's not about punishing Samsung for their success, it's about showing them that that fact that they are the leading OEM doesn't give them right to manipulate the scores - typical buyer looks at the scores(oh wow it's the fastest device on the market) but then he get's home and sees that the UI stutters and it takes some time to load a page etc. (have a look at engadgets Note 10.1 2014 review and all those reviews that were less than thrilled with the way TouchWiz worked on S4), how's that fair?

Truth is that none of this probably matters for those that bought and are going to buy this device, after all it's Samsung and Note 3
(Yes, that was meant to be sarcastic)

Posted by etaab
Sounds like a combination of jealousy tinted with a lack of confidence in your choice of device ?

Posted by Wishmaster89

On 2013-10-01 21:46:46, etaab wrote:
Sounds like a combination of jealousy tinted with a lack of confidence in your choice of device ?



Great, you've just made me laugh my ass off
Thank you for making my day

If you don't see anything wrong with something like that than maybe next year samsung will put 16mpix sensor in S5 but include only 12mpix option


Posted by etaab
Well this is all a little deja-vu of a conversation which was aimed at discrediting Samsung which occurred in the S4 thread, which as always proved nothing and was jumped upon by the usual suspects as a very weak argument.

Rather than having the same conversation, maybe you should go check it out and be educated.

Posted by rikken
I would be far more pissed of at Sony for always promising great displays and the best of cameras and not delievering

About the benchmarks: please try to replicate 0-60 on a company published car. Their tests have been done under ideal conditions for best possible results.
[ This Message was edited by: rikken on 2013-10-01 21:09 ]


Posted by etaab
Heh I was just thinking the same thing. I bought a new car recently and find it slower than my old car 0-60, even though it has a bigger engine. Mind you, going from a medium sized car to a family sized car means it weighs more.

Posted by Wishmaster89
Educated? About what?
I was taking part in that discussion and met with the same kind of response as this time - "it's no problem that they made it perform better in benchmarks than in other applications".

And here we are again with Samsungs newest and best device yet and the situation repeats itself but hey it's me that's being childish and with confidence problems.

Heck, even USB3.0 something that was praised as first on market and very useful etc. was proved by anandtech to be no different from USB2.0 at this point.

@Rikken
And you think I'm not pissed about this?! Problem is that you might get a great screen as it was proven with Z Ultra or Z1 or get lower quality one, this lottery is what really pisses me off. That is why I'm not going to buy another Sony device until they sort it out.
About the camera it's more complicated, things like decentered lenses that can cause part of the image to be out of focus is something that happens all the time with lenses that are more expensive than Z1 and Note 3 combined yet nobody judges it quality until he gets good copy, the same should apply to camera phones. Guys responsible for letting out Z1's with decentered lenses should get fired.

That's not a good example, it's not about getting the lowest time from 0-60 but achieving the highest possible speed. And as you said they all do their tests under ideal conditions with the help of best test drivers available.

If all OEM's would do the same thing as samsung and use 100% of the power just for the sake of getting the highest score than it wouldn't be a problem but if it's exclusive for samsung than it distorts the whole picture, don't you understand that?

Posted by rikken
As I said before, I don't care about benchmarks coz it's real-life performance that matters and the Note 3 is outstanding. If Sammy has cheated it is not my problem. I just want the best overall package

Posted by Wishmaster89

On 2013-10-01 22:26:52, rikken wrote:
As I said before, I don't care about benchmarks coz it's real-life performance that matters and the Note 3 is outstanding. If Sammy has cheated it is not my problem. I just want the best overall package



And that is what I wanted to hear
If you're all OK with the fact that Samsung cheats but their devices either way perform as they should then I have nothing more to add in this discussion

Posted by rikken
Where did I say I think it is ok with cheating (I am not sure it is cheating) ? I said I don't care about these things, it is not my problem nor my responsibility

Review by anandtech : http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4

"CPU performance is honestly excellent. The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point. In the situations where we can do cross platform (OS/browser) comparisons, it isn't quite as fast as the iPhone 5s but in some cases it comes close. I should mention that the Note 3 (like many other Android devices - SGS4, HTC One) detects certain benchmarks and ensures CPU frequencies are running at max while running them, rather than relying on the benchmark workload to organically drive DVFS to those frequencies. Max supported CPU frequency is never exceeded in this process, the platform simply primes itself for running those tests as soon as they're detected."

It's also interesting to note that the Galaxy Note 3 appears to outperform all other Snapdragon 800 smartphones we've tested thus far. There's a couple of potential explanations here. First, the Galaxy Note 3 is using newer drivers than any of the other S800 platforms we've tested:

Note 3: 04.03.00.125.077
Padfone: 04.02.02.050.116
G2: 4.02.02.050.141
[ This Message was edited by: rikken on 2013-10-01 22:12 ]


Posted by Gitaroo
This is no difference from nVidia cheating with their drivers when they release their shitty Geforce FX line up back then. Their DX9 performance was complete crap that it was down right embarrassing so they got to cheat to keep up with ATI Radeon 970 pro. Sure at the time in DX9 wasn't as important and their DX8 performance was still acceptable and comparable but still It shows how much confidence they got with their products to begin with if they got to do this sort of thing.

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-10-01 22:49:37, rikken wrote:
Where did I say I think it is ok with cheating (I am not sure it is cheating) ? I said I don't care about these things, it is not my problem nor my responsibility

Review by anandtech : http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4

"CPU performance is honestly excellent. The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point. In the situations where we can do cross platform (OS/browser) comparisons, it isn't quite as fast as the iPhone 5s but in some cases it comes close. I should mention that the Note 3 (like many other Android devices - SGS4, HTC One) detects certain benchmarks and ensures CPU frequencies are running at max while running them, rather than relying on the benchmark workload to organically drive DVFS to those frequencies. Max supported CPU frequency is never exceeded in this process, the platform simply primes itself for running those tests as soon as they're detected."

It's also interesting to note that the Galaxy Note 3 appears to outperform all other Snapdragon 800 smartphones we've tested thus far. There's a couple of potential explanations here. First, the Galaxy Note 3 is using newer drivers than any of the other S800 platforms we've tested:

Note 3: 04.03.00.125.077
Padfone: 04.02.02.050.116
G2: 4.02.02.050.141
[ This Message was edited by: rikken on 2013-10-01 22:12 ]



Excellent find Rikken
So...its not only Samsung Androids who are doing this, and 2nd, Samsung have ensured the Note 3 has the very latest drivers in the same way then ensured the GS4 had the very best S600 CPU available Iit's no wonder they are so successful and got some around here feeling so bitter towards them, as clearly shown in this thread.
I expect a repeat of all this when the Galaxy S5 arrives. It's a whole lot of fuss over nothing
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-01 22:26 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
Galaxy Note 3 not the only one free of “benchmark shenanigans” accusations



....As the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 appears on US-shores we’ve seen talk of not quite on-the-level benchmark boosting by the likes of what, at first, would seem to be the manufacturer of the smartphone. This report originates with Ars Technica where they suggest that the smoking gun is the fact that this smartphone brings up four full-powered CPU cores whenever it’s asked to open any one of several big-name benchmarking apps. What we’ve found is that this situation is not – by any means – limited to Samsung’s hardware.


We’ve run the same System Monitor app by Christian Gollner on several devices – with more on the way. What we’ve found is that the Samsung Galaxy Note 3, the HTC One, and the LG G2 all work with similar boosts in benchmarking apps. While outside of these apps, each of these devices works with one CPU core or – at most – two CPU cores without apps running, it would seem that nearly without fail the four-core fire-up appears in most major benchmark tests......

SlashGear

Posted by reeflotz

On 2013-10-01 22:03:45, rikken wrote:
I would be far more pissed of at Sony for always promising great displays and the best of cameras and not delievering

[ This Message was edited by: rikken on 2013-10-01 21:09 ]



Sorry but I think you are misinformed, the display I might agree with that is if only you do care about viewing angles, but Sony did deliver the best display in the ZU, as for Z1 it's only the viewing angles on some not all, still try to view all screens head on and I'm pretty sure the Sony screens beats the competition in color accuracy and sharpness, hence why it's equipped with Triluminous.

As for the camera, Z1 is currently the best in Android smartphones no doubt especially in lowlight and high ISO performance. Just look at the samples by esato members on the Z1 photo thread . Were you expecting it to beat 1020 which has a hump and a larger sensor?, If there's anything that's a flop, it's the S4 Zoom. Z1 comes very close to 1020, now if only GsmArena used a retail unit rather than a preproduction unit, then the review would have been fair.

The problem is if Samsung already provides the fastest phone, then why do they need to do this? Surely you wouldn't need to boost scores if you're already leading. It does not make sense.

Posted by MyP910
Personally, I don't really care about Samsung and to some extent, Korean products. In my eyes, they are cheap and low quality brand and too far from premium. This is just me.

With this report, they going very low. Tweaking the device so that it will show a high score in a benchmark is so bad. I can't imagine the reason behind that. Why must they do it ? What's wrong with letting the app evaluate it true practical potential ? Showing high score in benchmark will not solve your laggy occasionally stuttering UI (touchwiz).

Surprise to read someone try to bring Sony into this. Sony promise good display they deliver Z1 and Z ultra with a good display (IMO the brightest display with great outdoor capability and great colour accuracy) minus at the extreme viewing angle. Sony promise great camera and they deliver with the best camera on Android smartphone and come very close to Lumia 1020.

Posted by badassmam
The ZU has a better screen than the the Note 3. The Z1 has a better camera than any Samsung. Cheating is wrong and that applies to Sony, Samsung, LG, humans etc. I had a S4 for a week before I disposed of it because of its lag, guess I was LIED TO ABOUT THE BENCHMARK SCORES. For all those who say they're happy with the Note 3 despite the inaccurate benchmark results, good for you but you know you got it because of the benchmarks and a million average consumers did the same. If they're making a massive killing because of that, Samsung should be ashamed.

Posted by randomuser
The point really isn't about cheating on benchmarks. The fact is, Samsung devices are so heavily bloated with crapware that the user experience is far below what these "cheated" benchmark scores show. When you see these numbers you expect the phone to be crazy fast in actual day to day usage and have NO lag whatsoever.

But in reality Samsung only cheats benchmark apps and provides arguably the least smooth android experience among flagship devices. The same applies to the S4 as well which had the highest benchmark scores but in reality was much less smooth compared to the HTC One, LG G Pro, Nexus 4 and probably on par with the Xperia Z which has an inferior S4 Pro chipset.

And then there's the UI design. No change from Android 2.3 Gingerbread as the Verge review mentioned. I personally cannot stand the ugly cartoonish UI in Samsung and LG devices. Whether you are running 2.3, 4.0, 4.1 or 4.3 just doesn't matter as they all look and feel the same.



Samsung should really concentrate on improving the software/user experience and build quality of their devices rather than "cheating" with benchmarks to create a false image in the minds of consumers
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-10-02 14:48 ]



Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-10-01 20:40:10, rikken wrote:
...Another storm in a teacup, people are dying to punish Samsung coz' they can't tolerate their success.



You were seriously on point with this one.
This thread is getting very entertaining, so far my favourite:
...the least smooth android experience among flagship devices.


Said about the ONE Android OEM who brings the smoothest, fastest and most functional UI so sour.
The very reason why Samsung is the only manufacturer making Android look good by having Apple on their toes is due to them bringing the best functionality, the openess of Android all in a package that is just as fast and smooth as iOS.

Love how Htc, LG and other OEMs are ignored for doing the same, only goes to prove your point even further Rikken
Gotta love Esato these days.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 15:17 ]


Posted by Gitaroo
@randomuser

agree and basically how I feel about my S3 and note 2 and I can't wait to get rid of those and stay the hell away from anything Samsung. I used to buy almost everything samsung before, from tv down to dvd burner, all turn out garbage and boycott them for a long time. When S3 came out with all the "amazing" reviews, I figure maybe I should give it another chance, but I was definitely wrong.

Posted by MyP910
Samsung brings the smoothest, fastest UI ???? What ? Maybe some people never use other device therefore unable to realize that Samsung UI is laggy.

Posted by randomuser
From ArsTechnica review

In terms of performance, the Note 3 is not what I would call "blazing fast." We've run into all sorts of stutters in animation and even outright pauses while testing it. While the hardware is top of the line, Samsung appears to have pushed the software envelope a little too far this time, and it doesn't feel as responsive as other modern Android phones. We've even run into weird error messages like "low memory" warnings when opening GFXBench, despite the 3GB of ram and Android's automatic memory management.
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-10-02 15:50 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
From Anandtech, BGR and PhoneArena :

AnandTech:

The Note 3 is an iterative product, that’s absolutely true, but the improvements in the Note 3 are pretty dramatic. It really does feel better, thinner, lighter all while having a bigger, more usable display. The silicon inside is incredibly quick, easily the fastest in the Android camp. It's also good to see Samsung on the forefront of RF technology here, implementing an envelope power tracker alongside Qualcomm's 3rd generation LTE modem. The combination results in a fairly robust, very high-end platform that is modern on both compute and modem/RF fronts. Given my affinity for the latter, I'm happy.

Battery life benefits from the large chassis and associated battery, as well as Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 platform which seems to manage power a lot better than the outgoing Snapdragon 600. I was also impressed by the Galaxy Note 3's IO performance. Although it didn't beat the Moto X in random write IO performance, it came extremely close and absolutely destroyed everything else in sequential write speed. Samsung clearly went all out with the Note 3 and pretty much tried to win all of our tests. The beauty of that approach is it should lend itself to an awesome user experience.


BGR:

The Galaxy Note 3 is the best smartphone Samsung has ever made. In fact, the Note 3 is one of the best Android phones ever, period. It’s fast, it’s very capable, and unlike most smartphones these days, the S Pen and Samsung’s related software suite give the Note 3 genuinely compelling differentiation. This phone does things your phone can’t. Important, useful things that make your life easier.

While the massive size and plasticky build would prevent me from ever carrying the Note 3 personally, the size is a big draw for millions of smartphone users across the globe. And when it comes to supersized smartphones with screens that measure more than 5 inches diagonally, there is simply nothing on the market right now that can hold a candle to the Galaxy Note 3.


PhoneArena:
On top of all that, the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is simply one balanced performing smartphone! At $300 with a 2-year contract, there’s no denying the fact that it’s an expensive cost, but as we’ve come to learn, the hefty pricing does come with some perks. The phablet category saw some new entrants into the space this year, but the Note 3 continues to be the best in its class.


EDIT:
GSMArena:

The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is the phablet flagship for this year and the upcoming holiday season. Samsung made sure of it and despite having many opponents to shuffle through before it can get the user's seal of approval, the Galaxy Note 3 does offer something the competition just doesn't - the S Pen.


Oh a little bit I forgot in the AnandTech quote
The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point.

[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 16:09 ]


Posted by rikken
So poeple blindly trust the cons they read about the Note 3, but what about this one from the verge :

For all its branding bluster, the Xperia Z1’s 5-inch display is a letdown, just as the Xperia Z was. The expanded color range is nice to have, but it doesn’t offer distinguishably better images than any of the leading competitors such as HTC’s One series. It also does nothing to rectify Sony’s chronic weakness with displays: poor viewing angles. Colors start washing out as soon as you tilt the phone away from you, and seeing the Z1 sitting side by side with Samsung’s Galaxy Note 3 really puts the Sony phone to shame. So it’s the same old story: a pixel-dense 1080p display that is nevertheless a clear step behind the competition.

X-Reality, the big ace up Sony’s sleeve, turns out to actually do more harm than good. Watching The Great British Bake Off on BBC’s iPlayer, I noticed lots of excess sharpness added to the footage, which lent the show a very artificial look. Perhaps this kind of post-processing excess will work well with dark and moody sci-fi movies, but it really ruins the look of more natural and realistic scenes.

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/30/4784014/sony-xperia-z1-review

Note3: http://www.theverge.com/2013/[....]4/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review
[ This Message was edited by: rikken on 2013-10-02 16:10 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP

He had to find the ONE review that didn't have a good thing to say about the Note 3 amongst MANY from very credible sources like AnandTech, BGR, GSMArena etc...

Oh here's CNet's:

Stuffed into the Note is a stonking 2.3GHz quad-core processor, together with 3GB of RAM. Those are some seriously potent specs, so I wasn't surprised when it delivered the best scores on my benchmark tests that I've ever seen.

On the Geekbench 2 benchmark test, it achieved a whopping 4,139, casually beating the Xperia Z1's (the previous top performer) score of 3,706 and laughing in the face of its predecessor's 1,998. Its 22,487 result on the Quadrant test is again the best score I've ever had from a mobile device.


That really is an astonishing benchmark score.
Those are undeniably impressive scores, but it's important to take them with a pinch of salt. For one, Samsung has been accused of tweaking the processor specifically to give better scores. Whether that's true or not, the fact remains that benchmarks aren't always totally accurate tests of how they'll perform in real life. Thankfully though, I found the Note 3 to be every bit as blistering in my own use as the tests suggested.

There's zero lag when swiping around the home screen, placing apps, pulling down notification bars, or jumping into menus. Photo editing in snapseed is extremely nippy and playing back Full HD video is stutter free.



Glossy racer Asphalt 8 played without any hiccup whatsoever.
Gaming is handled with aplomb too. Water racer Riptide GP 2 played with deliciously smooth frame rates, as did the graphically intense Asphalt 8 and N.O.V.A 3. With the graphical prowess of the updated Jelly Bean software eventually allowing for even more demanding games, the Note 3 is well-poised to be able to hand the next generation of titles.


Such a shame for the fans who support manufacturers who make the phones that are just mere "Also-Rans" to the Galaxy S4 and Galaxy Note 3.
Kinda looking desperate there randomuser.

Oh, almost forgot SlashGear

The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is far and away the most mature smartphone of this size on the market today. More than that, Samsung has outdone themselves in this category – with the likes of Air Command, the S Pen suite becomes a solid experience that I’ll no longer have to explain to relatives is just for writing notes and drawing pictures. Here there’s a real solid draw.

[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 16:29 ]


Posted by rikken


Posted by badassmam
It's all good looking at review sites but according to my personal review I didn't like the S4 and since I put my money on the counter, that is more important to me than any benchmark. Not saying that all the review sites are crap (apart from the Verge) but what I see in real time is that Samsung aren't that hot. Just an observation from my workplace which is a medical research institute, everyone had an S4 on launch but within a today I only know one person who kept theirs. On the surface it looks like loads of sales but what then?

Back onto the Note 3, yes it is the best phablet because of its size otherwise I would go for the ZU but clearly that was designed for basketball players only. I went for the S4 because of its small footprint compared to its screen and that appeals to me about the Note 3 but no matter what I hear or read, Samaungs have never performed like that in my hands so I'm going to go for a long try before I buy.

Posted by Vipera ammodytes
OMG how annoying Tsepz_GP is! What a troll!!!! Is there ignore list in Esato??? If not, Laffen please integrate.

Posted by Tsepz_GP
Awesome! I'm happy for you, enjoy whatever you get, badassmam.

Vipera, the only troll here is the one talking about me instead of sticking to talking about the Note 3, speaking of, another great review by The Verge I don't get why so many at Esato hate them so much....oh wait


But since the first Note’s introduction in 2011, competitors have flooded the market with phones that are bigger than ever before. None have been able to match Samsung’s breakaway success yet, though, and none have really given users a compelling reason to have such a large phone.

All day and all night

The Note has always been one of the fastest Android phones on the market, and the Note 3 is even faster than before. The T-Mobile version I reviewed has Qualcomm’s top-of-the-line S800 processor and 3GB of RAM (different global versions swap the S800 for a Samsung Exynos chip, but all of the US models will have the Qualcomm), which gives the Note 3 speedy performance with no hiccups. I never really had to wait for the phone to do anything (apart from the Gallery app, which was uncharacteristically slow at times), and Samsung’s customizations don’t noticeably hold the phone back from being as fast as it could be. You won’t notice many of the speed increases unless you compare the Note 3 side-by-side with other devices, and raw power isn’t everything, but there’s plenty of raw power here.

PERFORMANCE IS RARELY AN ISSUE FOR THE NOTE 3 AND BATTERY LIFE IS ALMOST NEVER A CONCERN

The big phone category is well, bigger than ever, but the Galaxy Note 3 proves that Samsung still owns this arena. The wealth of iterative improvements over last year’s quite-capable model are more than welcome, and the overall experience is better than ever. It feels nicer, runs faster, lasts a long time, and is just a better device overall than the Note II. If you really liked the earlier models, you’ll love the Note 3, but it probably won’t convert those that never bought into the idea. Samsung didn’t reinvent the wheel here, it just gave it a smoother ride.


All these reviews explain the hate Samsung are getting here and again further prove Rikkens point from the beginning of this thread.

Haters gotta hate I guess,

as you all were...
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 17:04 ]


Posted by MyP910
@tsepz

Only cnet mentioned that the Note 3 is lag free and blazing fast while anandteh give a `more or less' fastest android smartphone (perhaps based on benchmark).

the rest....:-

BGR specifically mention smartphone with more than 5 inch category
phonearena specifically mention about phablet category
GSMarena specifically mention about phablet category

Frankly, I can't comment about note 3 performance since I don't have it, but based S3 and S4, Samsung UI and customization is laggy.
[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2013-10-02 17:27 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
Expected you to come and try twist it all
Every single one of them said its fast and ON TOP OF THAT the best phablet, a category that includes LG G Pro, Z Ultra and their fellow also-rans, end of story.

but based S3 and S4, Samsung UI and customization is laggy.

Your opinion.
For me and +40million others say otherwise.

Thanks for playing, cheers!
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 17:38 ]


Posted by Gitaroo
http://anandtech.com/show/738[....]cheating-in-android-benchmarks

Note 3 and 10.1 2014 has to cheat in almost everything

Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-10-02 20:31:24, Gitaroo wrote:
http://anandtech.com/show/738[....]cheating-in-android-benchmarks

Note 3 and 10.1 2014 has to cheat in almost everything


Yawn...


It's also worth pointing out that nearly almost all Android OEMs are complicit in creating this mess. We singled out Samsung for the initial investigation as they were doing something unique on the GPU front that didn't apply to everyone else, but the CPU story (as we mentioned back in July) is a widespread problem.

....The majority of our tests aren’t impacted by the optimization. Virtually all Android vendors appear to keep their own lists of applications that matter and need optimizing. The lists grow/change over time, and they don’t all overlap. With these types of situations it’s almost impossible to get any one vendor to be the first to stop. The only hope resides in those who don’t partake today, and of course with the rest of the ecosystem.


.....The hilarious part of all of this is we’re still talking about small gains in performance. The impact on our CPU tests is 0 - 5%, and somewhere south of 10% on our GPU benchmarks as far as we can tell.


Write a strongly worded Email to all Android OEMs or get over it.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 21:43 ]


Posted by MyP910

On 2013-10-02 18:37:40, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Every single one of them said its fast and ON TOP OF THAT the best phablet, a category that includes LG G Pro, Z Ultra and their fellow also-rans, end of story.


as I said, almost all of them said in terms of phablet category except for CNET and Anandtech with `more or less' remark.

BGR:


And when it comes to supersized smartphones with screens that measure more than 5 inches diagonally, there is simply nothing on the market right now that can hold a candle to the Galaxy Note 3.


Phonearena:


The phablet category saw some new entrants into the space this year, but the Note 3 continues to be the best in its class.




On 2013-10-02 18:37:40, Tsepz_GP wrote:
but based S3 and S4, Samsung UI and customization is laggy.

Your opinion.
For me and +40million others say otherwise.
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-02 17:38 ]



Me and many more among the +40million said that Samsung UI is laggy.
[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2013-10-03 00:25 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP

On 2013-10-03 00:54:03, MyP910 wrote:

On 2013-10-02 18:37:40, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Every single one of them said its fast and ON TOP OF THAT the best phablet, a category that includes LG G Pro, Z Ultra and their fellow also-rans, end of story.


as I said, almost all of them said in terms of phablet category except for CNET.

BGR:


And when it comes to supersized smartphones with screens that measure more than 5 inches diagonally, there is simply nothing on the market right now that can hold a candle to the Galaxy Note 3.


Phonearena:


The phablet category saw some new entrants into the space this year, but the Note 3 continues to be the best in its class.




On 2013-10-02 18:37:40, Tsepz_GP wrote:
but based S3 and S4, Samsung UI and customization is laggy.

Your opinion.
For me and +40million others say otherwise.



Me and many more among the +40million said that Samsung UI is laggy.
[ This Message was edited by: MyP910 on 2013-10-03 00:25 ]



What does it matter that they said the phablet category???
The number ONE factor was that none of them had issues with performance, are you trying to insinuate that the Phablet category is somehow inferior to smartphones in a poor attempt to discredite the Note 3? If so, you're making an awful mess of it and looking rather desperate.


Again, your opinion, more consumers voted with their wallets and the GS1, GS2, GS3 and GS4 have each been the bestselling Androids, of their years. Your argument is incredibly weak, sorry!
[ This Message was edited by: Tsepz_GP on 2013-10-03 00:34 ]


Posted by daviep
almost all smartphone vendors cheating with benchmark scores.
everyones at it
[ This Message was edited by: daviep on 2013-10-03 12:56 ]


Posted by Tsepz_GP
Another outstanding review

GSMArena:

Final words
Samsung has done it again - and it made it look so easy.The Galaxy Note 3 can pretend it has no competition, while otherwise remarkable rivals know they'll will have to live with - but not quite live up to - comparisons to the gadget that defines an entire segment.
Three generations into it, Samsung is returning to a playground which now has to be shared with others. There are bigger screens out there, waterproof bodies, impressive cameras and immensely powerful chipsets. But the Galaxy Note 3 is in no mood to share the spotlight, and is keen to show everyone that it doesn't break the rules - but makes them.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 didn't need a massive screen to make its point. What Samsung did instead looks like a smart move. The new leather-look finish is great but that's not the only advantage in terms of design. The new Note is the size of the Note II, but thinner, lighter and with a bigger higher-res screen and even ampler battery. It's also powered by two of the best chipsets available and comes with the whopping 3GB of RAM.
Samsung it well aware though that specs can be matched and eventually beaten. It's the experience that counts, and the Galaxy Note 3 is bursting at the seams with all the premium features of the Galaxy line of smartphones.
And we don't just mean the various Air Gestures and things like Smart Stay and Smart Scroll, which are actually part of the standard equipment, so to speak. It's the S Pen features, the optimizations for single-hand use and the multi-tasking capabilities, which after the multi-window update are unrivaled that take the Galaxy Note 3 to the next level.
Being able to comfortably move content across applications and the new search feature are only beginning to tell the story. The S Pen is made to count almost everywhere in the interface. The dedicated single-hand mode isn't limited to just a smaller keyboard and dialer that you can move around and place within comfortable reach.
Any screen, and we do mean any - from the homescreen to the deepest setting - can be resized for single-hand use, and when you do that the main controls (Home, Back and menu) are moved over to the dock at the bottom of the screen, and so are the volume controls - so you don't have to stretch your hand to reach the hardware volume keys on the phablet's side.
Honestly though, the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 doesn't have to worry so much about size not permitting single-handed use. To take full advantage of the Galaxy Note 3 you really need to have the device in one hand, stylus in the other. That said, we do think most of the likely rivals will have a hard time besting the Note 3's handling.
Sony recently unleashed the Snapdragon 800-powered Xperia Z Ultra. It has a massive 6.3-inch 1080p display responding to pen and pencil input. The phablet is water and dust resistant, on top of having one of the hottest bodies in business.The Xperia Z Ultra is seriously bigger than the Galaxy Note 3, though, and while the screen size may be a legitimate advantage, the LCD quality isn't quite a match for the Note's AMOLED. Still, the Z Ultra is around €100 cheaper and can go under water so it might manage to build a loyal following.

LG's first attempt at phablets, the 5.5" Optimus G Pro, is obviously too old to seriously trouble the Galaxy Note 3. The gadget runs on a Snapdragon 600 chipset and has a 13MP camera. It is considerably cheaper than the Galaxy Note 3 at around €480, but omits the stylus input.

The LG G2, even though sporting a 5.2" only 1080p display, is much closer to the Galaxy Note 3 in terms of functionality and speed. The latest LG flagship is powered by the Snapdragon 800 chipset, offers a host of multi-tasking features and a respectable Q-Note repertoire. If the smaller screen is not a problem, it's definitely worth checking out. Currently the 16GB model costs €200 less than the Note 3 but, considering the lack of memory expansion, the 32GB version might make more sense.

The recently-announced Liquid S2 is also a very interesting alternative. Acer will probably struggle to match Samsung and Sony's level of brand recognition, and like the rest of the competition, the S2 lacks a stylus. With a 6" 1080p IPS LCD, it's powered by the same Snapdragon 800 chipset and is capable of shooting 4K UHD videos, making it the Galaxy Note 3's only equal for the time being. In fact the Liquid S2 also adds a ring-flash for much better performance under low-light and will run you €100 less.

The Samsung Galaxy Note 3 is the phablet benchmark for the competition to live up to - and a matching price tag is perhaps the only piece of bad news. On the other hand, without the advantage of the S Pen, rivals haven't got too many options - they just deliver as much horsepower as possible and the push screen size as far as they can and hope for the best. The first obvious casualty is the comfort of handling. And the irony of it is that a device like the Note, which clearly is supposed to keep both hands busy, is more compact and more optimized for single-handed use than its main rivals.

Oh well, Samsung and the Galaxy Note 3 have done it again and the bad news for the competition is that their phablets have just been relegated to just huge phones by the latest installment of the one that once started it all.

http://is.gd/HkiRhS
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