Posted by exaflare23
Guys post your opinions
We know that some brand can lock 3G signal in their mobile phones
& Some people always wanted to lock their phones in 3G signal.
my SE k800i cant lock 3G signal, i have only the dual mode 2G/3G setting.
which of the two settings have the best performance?
3G lock VS Dual mode.
Posted by StevenC
Dual mode is better. 3G drops quickly if there is not enough coverage.
Posted by centur
On 2009-11-13 10:30:37, exaflare23 wrote:
Guys post your opinions
We know that some brand can lock 3G signal in their mobile phones
& Some people always wanted to lock their phones in 3G signal.
my SE k800i cant lock 3G signal, i have only the dual mode 2G/3G setting.
which of the two settings have the best performance?
3G lock VS Dual mode.
You wrong !!!
Before patch when click UMTS only on MyPhoneExplorer:
On K800 via patch can select Only 3G:
Posted by exaflare23
@centur
ok then teach me how to flash my k800 to have the 3G lock setting,and i almost forgot my k800 is now cid53 :(
Posted by centur
On 2009-11-14 15:37:25, exaflare23 wrote:
@centur
ok then teach me how to flash my k800 to have the 3G lock setting,and i almost forgot my k800 is now cid53
Read here: http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=179961
But this patch is allready for CID52 version on R8BF003, just wait to port for CID53 version.
Posted by exaflare23
but which of the two settings had the best performance?
3G lock or dual mode?
Posted by centur
On 2009-11-18 04:14:13, exaflare23 wrote:
but which of the two settings had the best performance?
3G lock or dual mode?
3G is better for places with very good network coverage, but not everywhere is full coverage.
I prefer to use dual mode (GSM and 3G), because phone automaticaly change 3G to normal GSM (2G) if you haven't 3G coverage.
[ This Message was edited by: centur on 2009-11-18 05:39 ]
Posted by exaflare23
@centur
oh i see tnx for ur opinion, so dual mode is much better, it means i dont need that 3G lock setting bcoz my phone will automatically lock 3G signals if my vicinity had 3G coverage,my phone will pick the strongest signal.
Posted by Nhyrohale23
3G mobile phones cannot communicate with GSM towers and 2G phones cannot communicate with 3G towers.what i know hihii
Posted by Cyborg_a0
i don't know why some people that i see are craving for 3g lock, they say it's better to use 3g lock when downloading and dual mode in browsing.
Posted by exaflare23
its just the same dual mode and 3G lock in terms of locking the 3G signal
in dual mode, if the phone detects the strongest signal in the vicinity it will automatically lock into that signal.
let say your phone detects a 3G signals, so you'll assume that your downloading speed will get faster.. then suddenly you will get disappointed because your downloading speed is slow like 2G and it will stopped or slower than 2G.
that is the problem in 3G lock mode, it doesn't mean that your phone detects a 3G, it means that signal is strong.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
then why do they created 3g lock/umts if that's case?
What is 3g lock/umts for?
[ This Message was edited by: Cyborg_a0 on 2009-12-22 06:44 ]
Posted by exaflare23
i dont know, im not the inventor
anyway why don't you conduct an experiment?
Posted by Cyborg_a0
i'm sure they created on purpose, and as for the users sez when downloading you must be 3g lock for the download not to be cut(maputol)
( don't know what is the exact term eh)
and you know pinoy we are bandwith eater we are fun of downloading big files so i think they know the difference between the two, 3g lock and dual mode.
(goodness what a bad english i have today)
Posted by exaflare23
its ok bro cyborg
just like before try to experiment
disconnecting can't be evaded either you used 3G lock or Dual mode, i've encounter and configured many types of 3G phones and none of them evaded the disconnecting problem, and for the speed the results are the same 3G lock and dual mode,
but i think dual mode is much stable and less the % of chance of disconnecting compare to 3G lock.
as you can see dual mode uses both 3G and 2G signals so if 3G drops, 2G will support.
and 3G lock uses only 1 signal of course, so if 3G drops boom! disconnect!
Posted by Cyborg_a0
so its a battle between knowledge and experience.
upon what you did is an expirement, hypothesis and conclusions,
but
to them is based on their experience.
Posted by exaflare23
when you are conducting an experiment you also gaining experience.
im always conducting experiment when someone ask me to configure their phones to have a free internet,
downloading in 3G lock
downloading in dual mode
which setting had the fastest result
which setting disconnects most
and im not just experimenting with 1 phone im using my k800i too to compare with the other phone.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
when you say experience it means not only once, not twice but many times, i've been reading it for a year this is what they say
'dapat naka3g lock'(must be 3g lock)
till then till now that is what they always say.
I'm only 1yr in fbt that's why i say i only read it for a year, maybe they were doing it for many years.
Posted by exaflare23
why don't you prove it by your self?
i know that i can't change you thats why im asking you to do experiment so that you can prove it by your self and not just believing in what you have read,
review the posts in the 1st page
i believe on what centur posted but i still conduct some experiment,its not because i have doubt, its because i want to prove it by my self. I believe for what i've said because i've already done it
read your post
how about you? did experienced it? you just believe in what you have read, you believe but you haven't done or tried it yet
Posted by exaflare23
peace man
im not telling or forcing you to believe me, i want you to try it too because want you to prove it by yourself.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
How could i do that i don't have money to buy a cp anymore
i posted earlier on that i was particulating them not me, i'm just telling their opinion, pity on me i can't tell my opinion because i don't have a 3g phone
so i can just tell what others opinion.
i thought you want to know what others think.
Posted by exaflare23
Yes you are right i want to see what others opinion and then i'll try it,
my k800i doesn't have 3G lock but i can still do some experiment, you don't need to buy new phone, just like what i've said before that im always conducting experiments to someone who ask me to put opera mini in their phones, its almost everyday in the office.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
maybe its because the people that i was particulating is a nokia users, i was thinking it may affect depending on mobile phone brand.
Posted by exaflare23
read my post in page 1 that i've encountered many types 3g phones but i didn't say its only 1 brand, i think your right it depends on the brand because 2 models of nokia outrun my k800i in terms of downloading speed
both in 3G lock and in dual mode settings.
and my k800i can only set 1 setting dual mode
and we need more experiments to prove it
and i noticed something about that 3G lock this is not final but i want to share it to you
my parents lives in carmona cavite philippines, and 3G signal is still weak in some province my mother owns nokia 5610xm and that phone can have the UMTS mode (it means 3G lock) but still the phone can used 2G signals both in data or call even it set in 3G lock mode.
we can't tell if its a fw bug or something but i noticed that the 3G lock and dual mode are the same.
what i mean is even you used 3G lock setting you'll never run out of signal just what dual mode can do,
thats why when im conducting experiments both settings are have the same results.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
how bout s60v2 have you tried it like 6630,6680,N70 those phones doesn't have umts but can be 3g lock using ftd, that's the phone that they are using.
I think xm vrs of nokia has many bugs, many reviews that i read about nokia xm isn't that quite good.
Posted by goarthur77
Hi guys! I'm from nicaragua, as far as i know 3g was made for high data transfer like video calls, conferencing and mobile streaming. Most 3g phones are identified via dual cam. And since it uses high transmission rate it is favorable in downloading large files, but consumes battery power faster. So
It is on the preference of the user to use it or not, since some of the 3g functions are not being used or enjoyed by the end user. Long live guys!
Posted by exaflare23
On 2009-12-22 14:46:00, Cyborg_a0 wrote:
how bout s60v2 have you tried it like 6630,6680,N70 those phones doesn't have umts but can be 3g lock using ftd, that's the phone that they are using.
I think xm vrs of nokia has many bugs, many reviews that i read about nokia xm isn't that quite good.
yes that n70 outrun my k800i too and i think it doesn't need 3G lock because i saw it downloading speed in dual mode
i can't believe it!
so what if my theory is correct haha! others think that they are using 3G lock but its actually a dual mode
still need more testings..
Posted by Cyborg_a0
i'm pointing out about stable downloading on 3g lock, if a problem arises about downloading they suggest 3g locking, have you tried already downloading on unstable php proxy just to prove 3g locking is better than dual mode, and also how about comparing dual mode and 3g lock on unstable proxy with the same phone not different phone?
I forgot to say N70 can't be lock thru ftd but thru phoenix.
Posted by exaflare23
im using all working tricks in smart network,and both phones must use same proxy to compare the speed
n3120c is a 3G phone that can lock 3G signal and this phone outrun my k800i in all 6rounds of testings. using same proxy same file, n3120c use 3G lock in 1st 3 rounds and dual mode in the last 3 rounds both settings had the same results and this is just the 1st part
the 2nd part i change the proxy and i used CGI
3G lock and dual mode had the same results and im not saying both setting had exact results and this not the 1st time because i have 4 officemates that have the same phones i conducted experiment to their phones VS my k800i in terms of downloading speed and stability
this is just 1 of the 3G phones that i've encountered
i don't know why,how they got the same results.
and again i noticed the behavior of the 3G lock same as what dual mode had, and i don't want to finalize that 3G lock is same as dual mode, i just want to tell what i noticed and im not telling you to believe me because i want you to experience it too.
oh i forgot to say n3120c is not an xpress music dont tell me that it had bugs too
Posted by Cyborg_a0
How about using unstable proxy in downloading? The point here is to see the difference between the two.
Also 3120c is an s40 not s60.
I just can't believe those people that are craving for 3g lock.You know flashing and converting a phone is risky right?
They even flash their phone fw from N70 to N70ie just to have the option of UMTS in their phone.
Why do they risk their phone if 3g locking isn't that valuable upon what your saying?
Posted by exaflare23
On 2009-12-23 02:50:00, Cyborg_a0 wrote:
How about using unstable proxy in downloading? The point here is to see the difference between the two.
Also 3120c is an s40 not s60.
I just can't believe those people that are craving for 3g lock.You know flashing and converting a phone is risky right?
They even flash their phone fw from N70 to N70ie just to have the option of UMTS in their phone.
Why do they risk their phone if 3g locking isn't that valuable upon what your saying?
what do u mean not s60?
oh i see you are trying to tell me that only symbian os can lock 3G? and because i used s40 for sample it means i don't get the right results? is that what you mean,
For your information
3G lock and dual mode has nothing to do with the operating system
review all your post here
it seems that you are satified from what have read and believing that they are right without trying or experiencing what have they experienced or done.
if someone read this topic he/she will had the same comment as mine because you always counter my post with other's post or opinion,
what about your own opnion, your own experience?
Posted by Cyborg_a0
i just don't want you to conclude only to your 3120c, how about maybe dual mode and 3g locking is better than on s60. Why? As you can see there weren't s40 before that has 3g it's only for now, it was on s60 for many years, and your comparing to a year or two year old s40 that has 3g.
The thing you said is like presumption to me or already concluding knowing that there is no chance that 3g locking has importance
to a phone.
And i would still like to believe why the manufacturer put that stupid 3g lock on phone has a purpose.
You need to be equal right? but why did you take my posts as counter act, why not just say 'ok i'll take note of that and still go further with some experiments if it's true or not' but you didn't, seems like you still want to prove 3g locking has no importance.
This conversation has been go'n so long i already posted all information i gathered and it's up to you now
[ This Message was edited by: Cyborg_a0 on 2009-12-23 06:39 ]
Posted by Cyborg_a0
If you really want my opinion, ok, but of course this only a hypothesis cause you know i don't have 3g but please take this as a consideration.
Assuming that you are in the rooftop and your using n6630, there are two towers or cell sites, one support 3g other support edge, of course your signal is at full bar in your vicinity, a phone usually switching randomly to a tower that you wouldn't notice unless your using ftd. signal depend on the strength of the tower, when the other gets little weaker your phone switches automatically to another tower. If there was rivalry of the tower 3g lock is needed that is the purpose of 3g lock for me of course 3g is better than edge in terms of downloading.
So 3g locking is best for downloading. i hope you like my hypothesis
Posted by exaflare23
Based on your post
you said that the dual mode setting is depends on the strength of the tower and then if the other tower gets weak the phone will shift to the other tower and then you said that 3G is much better than edge i agree of that but if the other tower gets weak the signal of that tower will also get weak. A dual mode setting 3G/GSM will pick the strongest signal in that location.
you forgot to tell which tower got weak 3G or edge?
Posted by se4evr
I am not sure who is the winner since both parties have their own valid points.lol. Generally speaking, i would prefer the 3g lock when i am nearest the cell site and not moving. But if i am on mobile meaning on a bus i would prefer dual mode.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
I never use Dual Mode,its awful. Ive got full 3G/HSDPA and GPRS/EDGE in my area,and if i use Dual Mode while browsing the phone constantly switches between the two,then gets all warm and just a pain to use due to the fluctuating download speeds. So i use GSM lock (GPRS and EDGE) most of the time to browse,download email etc. . .and use 3G lock only when downloading larger files like Music,vids etc. . .and also when tethering.
Posted by exaflare23
@GUCCI
thanks for your opinion sir and yes your right gsm/edge for browsing and 3G lock for downloading
im just telling my experienced and noticed in using both settings,at 1st i thought dual mode is better but later on i've noticed they were the same.
almost everyday im conducting an experiment to both settings for downloading speed and stability, i don't know if its a bug or something and don't know either what is the explaination because both setting have the same results and im not using just only phone but diff 3G phones, 3G lock had the same behavior as dual mode even in location that has no 3G it can still be used either browsing or downloading just like what dual mode.
im not telling or forcing you to believe me, you have a phone that can used both settings you can try and find out.
Posted by Tsepz_GP
Something i found interesting is that when in 3G lock, while downloading if i get a phone call my 3G connection doesnt pause it carries on as normal,downloads file while im speaking on the phone,but if im in GSM lock, whether im using GPRS/EDGE it will pause while im on a call, only noticed this on my N81, will have to check if the K850 does the same.
Posted by Cyborg_a0
Towers are'nt all the same it depends on what it supports, as in my cp, edge is better than gprs, i need to lock on that tower that support edge to have an edge. Same through with dual mode and 3g lock, in dual mode it may affect on your location to the towers that have or have not support 3g, but if you lock it you will force your phone to locate where is the best tower that have 3g, for your phone to have better downloading speed, unlike dual mode you may experience the fluctuating speed due to your location on towers. i think in your location all tower supports 3g.
Posted by exaflare23
On 2009-12-24 00:51:00, Cyborg_a0 wrote:
Towers are'nt all the same it depends on what it supports, as in my cp, edge is better than gprs, i need to lock on that tower that support edge to have an edge. Same through with dual mode and 3g lock, in dual mode it may affect on your location to the towers that have or have not support 3g, but if you lock it you will force your phone to locate where is the best tower that have 3g, for your phone to have better downloading speed, unlike dual mode you may experience the fluctuating speed due to your location on towers. i think in your location all tower supports 3g.
nice explanation but do you have any experience to support your speculation oh i mean explanation?
review your post
but if you lock it you will force your phone to locate where is the best tower that have 3g, for your phone to have better downloading speed, unlike dual mode you may experience the fluctuating speed due to your location on towers
this is obvious for your information mobile phones made to detect a signal in a huge area so obviously if your mobile phone or a dual mode setting can't detect a 3G or have a fluctuating signal that means the tower of that 3G signal is very far away, you said that use 3G lock to locate that 3G signal it seems that you don't have any experience.
"Force your mobile phone"
wrong move
a very far 3G tower = weak signal and i don't think your downloading speed will accelarate just like what centur said in page 1 not all areas are covered with 3G even he's not from the same country i think he's right,not because im satisfied in he's post or from what i've read its because i've done it i've conducted an experiment for that and i have experience.
[ This Message was edited by: exaflare23 on 2009-12-24 03:44 ]
Posted by Cyborg_a0
So you really think that the speed won't fluctuate when your phone detect 3g in dual mode, then how do you explain that when someone let me borrowed a 6630 there is a 3g icon and its full bar, and tried downloading the download fluactuates from 6-8kbs then suddenly it boost to 40-50kbs, haven't tried it locked though because he always check what i downloaded, he's asking me download games and mp3. Sorry if i didn't remember this incident, i call it only incident because it's not an experience to me. So if you said i'm wrong about towers then i'm confused what happen to that incident. Im sure it is full bar and also we were in a highland.
Posted by exaflare23
i didn't say that in dual mode the speed won't fluctuate, of course it does same as 3G lock.
dual mode will choose the strongest signal in your vicinity, it will lock the strongest signal, of course if 3G is the strongest signal in your location your phone will lock on to that signal unless the signal drops and it will switch to the signal that is strong,ok for example the edge is strongest compare to 3G because 3G gets weaker that time a dual mode will automatically choose edge of course. (i know what you've thinking in this situation) you will switch to 3G lock to force your phone to use 3G signal don't you? but that is not advisable. you know why?
because 3G is weak then if you choose 3G lock you are forcing your phone to use a weak signal. and we all know that a weak signal is prone to disconnection and had a slow connection in terms of downloading and browsing, see the difference and my phone have that setting so can't tell me that is just my speculations.
but since im conducting experiments almost everyday when someone ask me a favor to put opera mini on their phones im always comparing the two settings and not just using one phone,but im using diff kinds of 3G phones both s40 and s60.
And what i've noticed was both settings had the same results, i don't know why and i can't figured it out either or what is the exact explanation.
and heres interesting same as what GUCCI found out but not excatly, even theres no 3G coverage a phone set to 3G lock setting can perform what exactly a dual mode can do, don't ask me how,why it happens im just telling what i've noticed in my experiments and im not forcing everybody to believe me because i know everyone can try it.
and im not that kind of people that fools other people or to make other people jealous to tell a fake story of what my phone can do that, i don't want to counter other people's beliefs but i just want them to do the right thing and the best for their mobile phone.
i think this is conversation enough Its just like a battle between two diff religions that competing who had the real god and who had right teaching.
peace be with you bro cyborg and merry xmas
Posted by Cyborg_a0
On 2009-12-23 15:07:25, GUCCI.011 wrote:
I never use Dual Mode,its awful. Ive got full 3G/HSDPA and GPRS/EDGE in my area,and if i use Dual Mode while browsing the phone constantly switches between the two,then gets all warm and just a pain to use due to the fluctuating download speeds. So i use GSM lock (GPRS and EDGE) most of the time to browse,download email etc. . .and use 3G lock only when downloading larger files like Music,vids etc. . .and also when tethering.
Network Mode 3G lock VS Dual Mode 2G/3G
eheh, ok, peace.
(hehe gling mu sumgot, aus dmi n post cnt ntin
d mu b pnsin)
PS
i will add gucci to the list of posters that i read because that is exactly what they say, they don't use dual only 3g lock and gsm lock.
[ This Message was edited by: Cyborg_a0 on 2009-12-24 15:34 ]
Posted by goarthur77
Long live, guys!
Posted by kawaii
whats here?
3g lock
hmmmp
dual mode?
im just a newbo
Posted by mweaich
Here's my opinion on the subject, I recently joined the ever problematic network MTN but to my surprise the 3G coverage in my area is outstanding, okay okay back to the point, I myself decided to lock on to UTMS Band because when I walked from my bedroom to the lounge I would get disconnected off Mxit, that was because my phone was switching between UTMS and GSM! So I had to lock on to 3G, have not regretted my decision yet, works fine no disconnections and always high speed downloads. So as I read some where else you should always have atleast one bar of 3G signal anywhere if not phone your operator and tell them to increase coverage, they will come out and test the signal if it is low they will up it trust Me!!!!!!!! I vote 3G lock (^^,)
Posted by boy.in.PINK
HSDPA is stable if you're on an EDGE signal.. My place has only GPRS so my HSDPA is unstable..
Posted by exaflare23
almost all sony ericsson phones don't have 3G lock, so it means SE phones are not stable in downloading??
Posted by Cyborg_a0
i hate dual mode, in my room i got 2 to 4bar(full) but sometimes fall at 1bar and causes it to switch at gsm, and what i hate is, it takes time to switch back to 3g(actually sometimes it never did
)
also download speed is slow
using cgi downloading 50mb(actually i never had downloaded it i realized the cgi has 10min limit
)
dual mode - 25-35kbs
3g - 38-44kbs
so i prefer gsm and 3g lock, i never switch to dual mode again.
Posted by exaflare23
On 2010-05-14 08:57:00, Cyborg_a0 wrote:
i hate dual mode, in my room i got 2 to 4bar(full) but sometimes fall at 1bar and causes it to switch at gsm, and what i hate is, it takes time to switch back to 3g(actually sometimes it never did
)
also download speed is slow
using cgi downloading 50mb(actually i never had downloaded it i realized the cgi has 10min limit
)
dual mode - 25-35kbs
3g - 38-44kbs
so i prefer gsm and 3g lock, i never switch to dual mode again.
so it means SE sucks it terms of downloading because of lack of 3G lock,i conduct an experiment in nokia n70 i tried downloading an mp3 3.5mb size less than 2mins but n70 don't have 3G lock,and it outran may old k800i with same dual mode setting, i can't believe it that time.