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Posted by xboxman
Hey all

Just one simple question

The Xperia Or Touch HD?

Im on Orange and have been waiting for the Xperia to come out but seem to be waiting a long long time to see no sign of it.

So should i wait and see if it comes out or go for the HD, not willing to move network as i find orange is the best for signal where i live and surrounding area. Nothing else has really taken my eye that Orange have to offer?

Thanks in advance all.


Posted by doministry
Xperia. I would at least....
I wait for mine. Today I touched that - it has MAGNIFICENT construction...

Posted by xboxman
i have heard so many reports that the hd is a great phone but not sure if orange is ever going to bring out the xperia.

anyone know if they are or not?

Posted by anonymuser

On 2008-12-22 21:41:52, doministry wrote:
Xperia. (snip) it has MAGNIFICENT construction...


I don't want to burst your bubble but don't get your hopes up too high for that "magnificent" construction - any potential X1 owner should probably be aware of this - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=xperia+cracking

That said, the Touch HD isn't much better - HTC clearly have some manufacturing problems at the moment - http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q='Touch+HD'+paint+chipping

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-12-23 08:43 ]

Posted by xboxman
Oh why is it so hard to get a good phone. All i wanted for xmas was for Santa to get me a Xperia from Orange but it never came.

Posted by Mizzle
My X1 hasn't cracked or had its paint peel off. Some people are just unlucky, and even if you get one of the "bad handsets", the utmost brilliant XPERIA service allows you to get a new one immediately.

Posted by dudesweet
This is the same dilemma I have - Im leaning more towards Touch HD though after watching countless YouTube videos.

Only issue is Orange's pathetic data plan!

Posted by xboxman
i think im gonna go for the HD as well. I also read and see on you tube that the HD can run the Xperia interface 2 (or better).

am i going to be an outcast now seems this would be my first non SR phone in around 7 years?

Posted by doministry

On 2008-12-30 12:17:15, xboxman wrote:
i think im gonna go for the HD as well. I also read and see on you tube that the HD can run the Xperia interface 2 (or better).

am i going to be an outcast now seems this would be my first non SR phone in around 7 years?

I got X1 and it's marvellous. I also had in hands HTC Touch Pro.
Honestly, XPanels on SE are 100 times more convincing as TouchFlo on HTC and I would not revert it really. X1 also has a great keyboard.

Posted by TheVictor
Actually used the X1 today for a good hour at my friend's. I was pretty surprised at how solid it felt. I did like the panel idea but I think it could've been a bit better though like when you lay the panels out in a playing card fashion it doesn't really give a benefit over the grid. We don't have any company that carries either o those in Canada sadly but I'd probably go with the X1 but I haven't gotten a chance to use the HD too much.



[ This Message was edited by: TheVictor on 2008-12-30 23:13 ]

Posted by xboxman
oh oh oh, i really dont know what to go for

Posted by ofiaich
Hi!

go for a HD! Mine is excellent, no paint worries!

Ofiaich

Posted by pachy
I was a dedicated SE user but I bought th HD a month ago, its a great phone, very easy in th hand & great for internet, nice fast one handed operation once ur used to it, I have one with th paint chipping issue, am awaiting htc's responce, on th phone they said they were aware of th issue, so lets see how much cash they offer me to put up with it anyway th phone is superb to use & pullout keyboards are flashy, but a waste of space. for me its all about biggest screen on smallest phone.

[ This Message was edited by: pachy on 2009-01-02 01:31 ]

Posted by dudesweet
Xbox man I too keep switching between the 2.

I like the Panel concept and you can get Touch Flo 3D on the Xperia also. I know you can get Panels on the HD but its buggy atm.

What's strange is I like the Facebook app (even though I dont use fb THAT much), but I like what is possible with panels - and that got me liking the X1 more. Also seeing it properly in black.

Hard to decide as the phones are different (keyboard, without keyboard) but I think the bigger screen of the Touch HD and the fact its a bit thinner with a better camera make me lean more towards it. However the problem is also its v hard to find - not many people are selling or trading, much easier to find an X1!

Posted by CpTbi||
being a SE fan for a long time now (my first Ericsson was the T28s, since then i am buying only Ericsson, SE phones) this time i will not choose the Experia. The phone was delayed in my country and it seems already outdated as a device. I think SE lost the revolution touch on their phones.
I am going for the htc HD in the next days.

I expect more from SE in order to buy another SE device.

Posted by rafalson
actually I was comparing those two today. Speed of system was about the same, maybe HD slightly faster. Otherwise... if you like iponeish screens take HD, if you appreiciate typing easiness take X1.
I would choose X1 over HD because of neat design and hardware qwerty.



Posted by number2
Ok,
from experience here goes,
Had the X-1 from o2 for 2 weeks, ..........................as a fan of SE dating back to my trusty old T68i, which i still have a brand new unused one in a box someplace, guess that alone speaks volumes, didnt like the X-1 at all, i will be doing a comparrison with its replacement/HTC Touch pro soon, but just to say that whilst both devices come from the same stable, HTC clearly had the better clearer vision, when designing the hardware and UI. Frankly at the moment i am a bit pissed at SE, they make some pretty good mobiles, i currently have a much loved C902 but when it comes to smart devices, they cant seem to work out what the users want, so for my working tool ive jumped camp to HTC, and so far its brilliant.
[ This Message was edited by: number2 on 2009-04-05 22:45 ]


Posted by pachy
6 months in with HTC Touch HD & its a very very good phone, th X1 I tried went straight back wasnt impressed at all. htc is my first non SE phone this century

Posted by Indiandawg
i really love this phone xperia because of it's panel feature.
let me tell you something, xperia has it all what other phones have but the panels is turly a great feature. it just dosent concentrate on a particular applictions but it also lets you connect with your phone calls and messages and all other features too. and whichever application of panel is there around are great. you can have all the features running smooth and nice.
i also like opera for web browsing in xperia and i think it's better than browsing on iphone also. xperia has a good music interface panel which allows you to browse your tracks with many options. i use cnn panel for news/skype panel to be in touch with my friends abroad/music panel/facebook panel for facebooking/evernote panel.
i dont have to tell you what phone does in normal mode cause it has everything u want and it works charm for me.
so all in all i really love the phone, it works smooth, great, stylish and it gives me all what i want !!

Posted by number2
Sorry chum, sounds like you havnt tried the competition, but at the end of the day its all a matter of personnal choice, after trying both devices, i chose the HTC, the panels you go on about with so much enthusiasm, are just a hinderance, something else to navigate around to get done what you want to do. but as i said earlier, its a choice, but please dont make judgments without trying all the alternatives.
Ta very much!

Posted by se_dude
The Xperia is tops at XDA though.

Posted by pachy
im an XDA member & I can't remember being asked to vote on which phone should b "tops"

Posted by number2
As another XDA member i have also never seen a poll re X-1 versus Touch pro, having said that im not so sure that HTC users give a flying fig about polls, they care more about the device itself.

Posted by number2
Back again,
Ok guys now had a few weeks getting to know the XdaSerra aka
HtcTouchPro
So my results, and remember these are my findings, personnal preferences.
1) HTC Flush screen, amazing i dont have to contort my grown up finger, or resort to the stylus to open the start menu. i just Touch the screen.
2) External speaker, instead of being at a point on the phone where my hand rather inconveniently covers it up, HTC have put it on the back where it provides clear sound.
3) Touch flo, one easy layout, that from day one was understandable and usable for grown up fingers.
4) Texting, i can do this one handed, just like a real phone, i dont need to open the keyboard or get the stylus out.
5) All icons and menus are for grown up fingers.
6) Operating manual, HTC 300 pages plus, SE X-1 manual 30 pages plus.
7) Keyboard, white letters on black keys, so easy to read.
No panels, just easy straight forward navigation.

What dont i like, what SE did get right,
The 3 mm headphone socket, HTC should have put that on their own device.
Camera button exactly where it should be.

Plaese feel free to make your own lists, as i said these are just my preferences, anyhow go to it guys and good luck.
[ This Message was edited by: number2 on 2009-05-13 19:03 ]


Posted by MyP910
The poll on XDA forum for the best HTC phone in 2008....

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362

Look at the number of votes for Xperia !

Posted by anonymuser
The poll seems pretty suss to me. XDA devs isn't like Esato, the majority of people there are simply interested in getting the best out of their particular device and that's pretty much it. I've been a member there for a couple of years and I think today's the first time I've even wandered into the "general" section..

HTC hasn't been much of a brand until recently and many of the devices on that forum were marketed under an arrary of brand names like Dopod, XDA, Qtek etc, so the concepts of brand loyalty and fanboyism aren't well known. I wonder if the introduction of SE fans en masse may have changed that...


Posted by se_dude
LOL.Just coz the Xperia won, XDA becomes useless. LOL.

Posted by anonymuser
XDA isn't useless at all, XDA is just better than the silly grandstanding and fanboyism that goes on in places like this, where a phone like the X1 is "teh winner!!!111" because it's got the SE name on it.

That poll's so out of keeping with XDA generally, I suspect it's just been targeted by the SE faithful.

Posted by se_dude
Why cant you assume that people actually like the phone and voted for it??

Posted by anonymuser
I just did a bit of maths on the forum numbers - XDA's X1 forums contain a total of 70,788 posts. The Touch Pro's forums have 142,096 posts, twice as many, and yet in the poll the X1 is supposedly twice as good/popular as the Touch Pro. Likely? Or the result of the typical HTC/Winmo voting being spread across many devices, and the smaller SE crowd being focussed on one?

PS - 130,929 posts on the Touch HD if anyone's wondering, again almost twice that of the X1. Of course they might all have been saying "this phone's terrible, I wish I'd bought an X1" but I've a hunch that's not the case.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-14 11:37 ]


Posted by WhyBe
If Microsoft doesn't deliver on 6.5 and 7, then all of this WM stuff is going to be extinct in a few years. We'll only be choosing between the fruity phones.

TouchPro, Touch HD, X1, Diamond are all versions of the same phone if you ask me.

There's no doubt the X1 is a well-liked phone, but the fruit phone manufacturers are putting a serious hurting on the rest of the smartphone industry. and Microsoft better get their stuff together and come out fighting. And they're not going to win with just only superior hardware. We've seen this time and time again...

Posted by anonymuser
The trouble with "superior hardware" is it needs superior software to make it useful, and useable, and that's just not been happening. It's not going to happen with 6.5 either, that's just 6.1 with a new Today screen as far as I can make out.

HTC don't help themselves by not providing proper drivers in their devices, crippling their big screens and high-megapixel cameras with shoddy video quality that near enough ruins both.

The feature lists are always as long as your arm on all these WM phones, but not one of them actually matches the competition on performance or execution.

Posted by doministry

On 2009-05-14 13:42:56, Boinng wrote:
The trouble with "superior hardware" is it needs superior software to make it useful, and useable, and that's just not been happening. It's not going to happen with 6.5 either, that's just 6.1 with a new Today screen as far as I can make out.

HTC don't help themselves by not providing proper drivers in their devices, crippling their big screens and high-megapixel cameras with shoddy video quality that near enough ruins both.

The feature lists are always as long as your arm on all these WM phones, but not one of them actually matches the competition on performance or execution.


Funny... Which applications "not actually matches the competition on performance or execution."??
And which competition you mean?

WM offers the most advanced functionality available on smartphones,
yet only little percent of users really utilizes that.
This is the level uncomparable in some cases with other solutions.
90% are focused on user interface.
Which of course matters especially on market sales reality, where people mostly look at nice and fancy things. With games and videos....
And of course good UI helps.

But this has little to do with real functionality.

Posted by anonymuser

On 2009-05-14 16:39:39, doministry wrote:
WM offers the most advanced functionality available on smartphones,
yet only little percent of users really utilizes that.


Have you ever asked yourself why that is?

Posted by doministry

On 2009-05-14 16:46:53, Boinng wrote:

On 2009-05-14 16:39:39, doministry wrote:
WM offers the most advanced functionality available on smartphones,
yet only little percent of users really utilizes that.


Have you ever asked yourself why that is?



Because most people don't care - yet.
They're too lazy or too busy to use it.
Or don't really need it.

But - so what??

Posted by anonymuser
So, it's a dated and irrelevant argument for a failed platform. The smartphone market is the fastest growing segment of the whole mobile industry, everyone (including SE) is desperately trying to increase their share of it using one or more operating systems, and yet you'd argue that of all the smartphone OS's, the one with the declining market share is the most "advanced", and the fact that only a small minority of its users even know how to use it to the full is proof of that? I don't think so. That doesn't quite smell right, does it?

The proliferation and success of application stores on other platforms (including Blackberry and Android) is proof that given the right tools, most users will happily find new ways of using their smartphones and extend their functionality to the max. It's only in the unhappy world of Windows Mobile that these smartphone features are seen as some kind of cult practice for the "advanced" minority.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-14 16:07 ]


Posted by WhyBe
Well, I believe that WM is the most advanced, but fails in the ever-important user-experience. The fruit phones handle their fewer features really well while WM hobbles along with it's superior features.

WM VS others:
No clear app availability (you must search XDA and Google) VS App store
Multitasking VS very smooth and quick performance of one app
"Tweak to get it how you like it" VS "works great out of box"
Non-intuitive VS intuitive
Need brains to use VS idiot proof


None of this list has anything to do with hardware superiority.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2009-05-14 16:55 ]


Posted by anonymuser
I think WM's claim to be "advanced" is pretty tenuous. Most of the technology in WM, particularly the display tech for example, is quite ancient now and well behind most of the competition. Its memory management is fairly poor, and its Windows-like registry structure is an achilles heel, leading to devices "silting up" and slowing down over time until the inevitable hard-reset... really it's a pretty old fashioned and bloated OS.

But hey, at least it's got that UI going for it, right? Oh, no, wait..

Basically it comes down to multitasking, and a motley selection of random features that aren't quite supported by some of the competition yet, but will be within a matter of weeks/months. And not everyone accepts that multitasking = better in a mobile device.

Posted by WhyBe

On 2009-05-14 18:20:56, Boinng wrote:
...Basically it comes down to multitasking, and a motley selection of random features that aren't quite supported by some of the competition yet,...

What might those be?

Posted by anonymuser
MMS, certain Bluetooth functions, video recording, you know the list

But they're simply bolt-on features that some competitors have already, and others are adding as we speak. None of them are unique to Windows Mobile or beyond the capabilities of any other OS going forward.

Posted by number2
Its good to stir things up now and then, gets folk thinking!

Posted by WhyBe

On 2009-05-14 20:42:23, Boinng wrote:
MMS, certain Bluetooth functions, video recording, you know the list

But they're simply bolt-on features that some competitors have already, and others are adding as we speak. None of them are unique to Windows Mobile or beyond the capabilities of any other OS going forward.


We're saying the same thing but on opposite sides of the fence

I think what separates phones now is how well it works and how well it brings all of it's features together (user-experience). Hardware superiority can only exist for a few months until some better technology comes along. But, a great user-experience and ecosystem isn't going to be surpassed by a phone that has a 25MP camera with 2GB RAM, a QuadCore Snapdragon and a crappy user-experience.

I think the upcoming WM OS'es will be great IMO. Especially WM7. The Tell Me technology seems cool.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2009-05-15 01:17 ]


Posted by doministry

On 2009-05-15 01:31:49, WhyBe wrote:

On 2009-05-14 20:42:23, Boinng wrote:
MMS, certain Bluetooth functions, video recording, you know the list

But they're simply bolt-on features that some competitors have already, and others are adding as we speak. None of them are unique to Windows Mobile or beyond the capabilities of any other OS going forward.


We're saying the same thing but on opposite sides of the fence

I think what separates phones now is how well it works and how well it brings all of it's features together (user-experience). Hardware superiority can only exist for a few months until some better technology comes along. But, a great user-experience and ecosystem isn't going to be surpassed by a phone that has a 25MP camera with 2GB RAM, a QuadCore Snapdragon and a crappy user-experience.

I think the upcoming WM OS'es will be great IMO. Especially WM7. The Tell Me technology seems cool.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2009-05-15 01:17 ]



Yes, especially when Windows 7 seems to be really good!

Posted by WhyBe
I'm thinking WM6.5 will be the last of the dinosaurs...

Now if could just survive long enough to produce a phone that could run WM7

Posted by doministry

On 2009-05-14 17:06:00, Boinng wrote:
So, it's a dated and irrelevant argument for a failed platform. The smartphone market is the fastest growing segment of the whole mobile industry, everyone (including SE) is desperately trying to increase their share of it using one or more operating systems, and yet you'd argue that of all the smartphone OS's, the one with the declining market share is the most "advanced", and the fact that only a small minority of its users even know how to use it to the full is proof of that? I don't think so. That doesn't quite smell right, does it?

The proliferation and success of application stores on other platforms (including Blackberry and Android) is proof that given the right tools, most users will happily find new ways of using their smartphones and extend their functionality to the max. It's only in the unhappy world of Windows Mobile that these smartphone features are seen as some kind of cult practice for the "advanced" minority.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-14 16:07 ]


Failed platform? WM?
You made me laugh again.
I agree - smartphones market develops great.
But you don't really seem to get my point.

As for now - just look what apps are loaded the most, from app stores, and you'll see what I mean. What unhappy world of WM?
Man you are living on another planet.
Just read some statistics regarding WM mobile apps market.

P.S. Even recently simple research showed that as WM tends to inspire advanced functionality, products like iPhone rather inspire fun and play.

Posted by anonymuser
Doministry, you just keep repeating the phrase "advanced functionality" if it makes you happy. Let me know when you've figured out what you actually mean by that, and which "advanced functionality" you use on a regular basis...

Posted by doministry

On 2009-05-15 11:32:54, Boinng wrote:
Doministry, you just keep repeating the phrase "advanced functionality" if it makes you happy. Let me know when you've figured out what you actually mean by that, and which "advanced functionality" you use on a regular basis...


You really have no clue?

Man, you start to be funny big time.

Just to name FEW things, quickly out of my head:

full html email with html reply ability
zip/unziping files
advanced taking photo configuration
professional photo/picture editing
professional, full office support
flash support on browser
many browsers available
advanced files management
video recording 30fps
advanced bluetooth settings
deep device configuration abilities
extremely configurable calendars
ability to go deep in the system, modifying files
huge amount of available UIs
tweakability
multitasking and task management.

Other users can add another hundreds of aspects.
Boinng, sorry, I slowly start to see you have no clue what you talk about.....
[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2009-05-15 11:14 ]


Posted by anonymuser
Doministry, you're unravelling. There's not a single thing in that list which isn't available on other platforms in some form or another, and several things there which are massively overstated - even your very first example is rubbish. WM does not support full HTML email with all the proper formatting, whereas ironically your dreaded foe the iPhone does.

"Advanced photo configuration" - pathetic, and not a function of WM at all, just something that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer regardless of the OS.

"Professional photo/picture editing" - clearly the words of someone who's never seen the many genuinely impressive photo apps available on other platforms.

"advanced files management, deep device configuration abilities, ability to go deep in the system, modifying files, tweakability" - you're aware that each of those is basically the same point, desperately repeated five times? People defending WM always try and push "tweakability" as if its a unique feature of the OS, but of course there are people out there busilly tweaking every OS, with software (and jailbreaking) anything's possible. The only real difference is that in WM this kind of tweaking is a necessity for far more users, so it's a much higher profile activity.

"zip/unzipping files, professional full office support" - again, you need to realise the difference between an OS and its applications. These are not unique to WM.

"video recording 30fps" - another manufacturer, not OS-dependent feature available on many S60 and other phones - nothing to do with Windows Mobile as an OS (in fact the vast majority of WM phones have pretty terrible video recording).

Now if you'd said "the most fully integrated Exchange support available in a mobile OS" I'd have given you a couple of points, but as you've little understanding of your own OS, let alone any others, you actually missed that one.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-15 12:10 ]


Posted by doministry

On 2009-05-15 12:33:10, Boinng wrote:
Doministry, you're unravelling. There's not a single thing in that list which isn't available on other platforms in some form or another, and several things there which are massively overstated - even your very first example is rubbish. WM does not support full HTML email with all the proper formatting, whereas ironically your dreaded foe the iPhone does.

"Advanced photo configuration" - pathetic, and not a function of WM at all, just something that varies from manufacturer to manufacturer regardless of the OS.

"Professional photo/picture editing" - clearly the words of someone who's never seen the many genuinely impressive photo apps available on other platforms.

"advanced files management, deep device configuration abilities, ability to go deep in the system, modifying files, tweakability" - you're aware that each of those is basically the same point, desperately repeated five times? People defending WM always try and push "tweakability" as if its a unique feature of the OS, but of course there are people out there busilly tweaking every OS, with software (and jailbreaking) anything's possible. The only real difference is that in WM this kind of tweaking is a necessity for far more users, so it's a much higher profile activity.

"zip/unzipping files, professional full office support" - again, you need to realise the difference between an OS and its applications. These are not unique to WM.

"video recording 30fps" - another manufacturer, not OS-dependent feature available on many S60 and other phones - nothing to do with Windows Mobile as an OS (in fact the vast majority of WM phones have pretty terrible video recording).

Now if you'd said "the most fully integrated Exchange support available in a mobile OS" I'd have given you a couple of points, but as you've little understanding of your own OS, let alone any others, you actually missed that one.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-15 12:10 ]



Boinng, you again miss the point.
My post which you refer to, was about a GENERAL term of "advanced" functionality of a device, since you were trying to state that there's no such.
I was not implying that those above things refer ONLY to WM - I'd have to be an idiot to state that, especially when I was using other platform for a loong time before I was kinda pressed to switch and choosed WM.

BTW you cautiously did not refer to some other features I mentioned, but it does not matter....

And - WM tweakability is not "necessity" - it's POSSIBILITY, which is just used by users. Unmatched on other platforms.. That's the human nature - if we can, we will do.... Saying "other platforms are tweaked too" is almost empty word... Means nothing really.
I could say opposite: an argument I've heard so many times from Mac/Apple users: "we don't tweak 'cos all is fine and ready, I don't care my company won't let me...."

I use in "advanced" way WM device without any registry tweak and don't feel any necessity to do it.

I think Boinng you - as you claim iPhone user? - have just fun to make an effort to find any reason why WM is "so baaad..." and fcuk what people say about it......

Posted by anonymuser
Doministry, repeatedly in this thread you've used the phrase "advanced functionality" as a selling point for WM. My reply at the top of this page was specifically in reference to your comment that:

P.S. Even recently simple research showed that as WM tends to inspire advanced functionality, products like iPhone rather inspire fun and play.


Earlier you stated outright -

WM offers the most advanced functionality available on smartphones


Yet when I ask you what "advanced functionality" means, you reel of a comical list of "advanced" and "professional" features that are either common to many phones or platforms, have nothing to do with WM, or are just plain daft. Apparently now it was just a "general" list and you weren't talking about WM anyway honest, so erm.. what was your point?

Why drone on about "advanced functionality" in WM if you accept that same functionality is present on other platforms? Can it still be called "advanced" if its equalled or bettered elsewhere?

I haven't "claimed" to be an iPhone user, you know I'm an iPhone user. I'm also a WM user, and still own and use a WM device even now.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-05-15 14:22 ]



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