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Aquila
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Well first. I didnīt ask about your opinion of life, but terror. Would you call it a freedom fight, when people blowing themself up among civilians? Wherīs the respect of life?
Second. Yes, do think somtimes its right to interfer in other countries matters. E.g: If England and USA should ask Hitler to help europe during world war II, the answer would be no. And yes, when a nation could be a possible threat to other nations, and decline to cooperate with the rest of the world, like when they throw out the FN, or killing/torturing their own civilians, itīs time to see what theyīre up to.
Have you ever heard about the balkan war? Do you honestly believe that the allied forces who fought against Slobodan Milosevic should have asked him, before they took actions? You must be kidding if so. | |
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Aquila before you post, read what I have to say, take a breather, mull over it and THEN reply.
--Would you call it a freedom fight, when people blowing themself up among civilians? Wherīs the respect of life?
I am not saying what I believe in, I am saying that I can understand both points of views, and the world is split both ways.
--Second. Yes, do think somtimes its right to interfer in other countries matters. E.g: If England and USA should ask Hitler to help europe during world war II, the answer would be no. And yes, when a nation could be a possible threat to other nations, and decline to cooperate with the rest of the world, like when they throw out the FN, or killing/torturing their own civilians, itīs time to see what theyīre up to.
First of all most of the interference shown also shows that at the end of the day nothing was found. There is still nothing found in Iraq, there is still nothing found in Syria. At that time, there was no direct thread from the country. If there was, where is the evidence that there was one? Secondly, if there are terrorists, then those are people responsible for their actions. The country can't be held liable.
If an Arabic country wanted to see what the US or UK was up to because they felt there was a threat, I GUARANTEE you that the two countries would not just lay by.
Whats the difference between our countries and the west? Yours has the right to have weapons, we dont.
---Have you ever heard about the balkan war? Do you honestly believe that the allied forces who fought against Slobodan Milosevic should have asked him, before they took actions? You must be kidding if so.
Again, you seem to be confusing terrorism, with an evil country of dictatorship. If there is one thing I've learned in my law class, it's to find a point and argue it. You are all over the place.
And you've also shown me that if I argue with you, there is no use since you are as close minded as the next extremist.
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Aquila
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Chill lady chill 
And you've also shown me that if I argue with you, there is no use since you are as close minded as the next extremist.
I see itīs hard for you that people has their opinion about things, and that you donīt like the fact that, theres no way we in the western world can accept terrorism, so how can we see the terrorists point of view? Which view do you have as you do say that you donīt participate with any of the parts (I am not saying what I believe in, I am saying that I can understand both points of views, and the world is split both ways.)
Itīs like you just playing around and with a very serious subject I did ask you about your definition of this word, so reed it in your dictionary. Terror also be commited by evil countries as well.
I also like you to read my posts...and mull. How could we in the western world upfront of the invasion know that Saddam Hussein did not have any of these weapons, especially since he did not fully cooperate? Would you say he wasnīt warned?
Saddam Hussein did commit his crime, an dictatorship which killed, terrorised and spread horror among his own civillian, and espesially the Kurds and the Shiamuslims and which definitive donīt had much weapon.
Furthermore you say: Whats the difference between our countries and the west? Yours has the right to have weapons, we dont.
Not to disappoint you, but our country does not have much weapon, but weīre not up to any scary things anyway. See, we donīt like killing unless we get threaten directly. We also do believe that itīs possible to live in peace side by side, despite of the difference there must be. We can also learn from each other in a peaceful way, like the way you muslim are takin care of your olders and so on. Here in the western world sometimes olders are dying alone in their homes without nobody to care, or they gets put away into an institution.
But ok, as you said, thereīs no reason to argue with me since iīm obviosly an extremist in your eyes, but i wonīt say the same about you. You see it both ways, and does not participate with any of the parts in war against terror. Opinion..hmm???
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Aquila
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A little correction: We also do believe that itīs possible to live in peace side by side, despite of the difference there must be, except from commiting terror to gain what you may want. |
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firstly, I'm not a lady.
Second of all you need to edit your post to show what I'm quoting.
Now for a little explanation
----I see itīs hard for you that people has their opinion about things, and that you donīt like the fact that, theres no way we in the western world can accept terrorism, so how can we see the terrorists point of view?
You see wrong, because if I didn't care about people's opinions I wouldn't be arguing now would I? You HAVE to see the other persons point of view to understand the situation otherwise you're going into a blind fight.
----Which view do you have as you do say that you donīt participate with any of the parts
I said ""(I am not saying what I believe in, I am saying that I can understand both points of views, and the world is split both ways.)" I stick by what I said, you really need to try to re-read what I said. Any third party want to tell me if I said I dont participate with any parts? I think it's the contrary. I am not one sided.
---Itīs like you just playing around and with a very serious subject I did ask you about your definition of this word, so reed it in your dictionary. Terror also be commited by evil countries as well.
I also like you to read my posts...and mull. How could we in the western world upfront of the invasion know that Saddam Hussein did not have any of these weapons, especially since he did not fully cooperate? Would you say he wasnīt warned?
Now you need to provide me with better retorts than repeating what I said back to me, because I wouldn't say it, if I hadn't already done it myself. I dont want to say something stupid but you have a few spelling mistakes.
Man YES terror is committed by evil countries.
But we need to look at this in two parts. First of all, by you saying evil countries, it shows that you are prejudice to a country rather than the government or specific people that enoke terror.
Secondly, we are NOT talking about countries in this thread, we are talking about specific individuals that just 'happen' to come from a certain country.
But to answer you questions you asked me anyway. Lets put it in basic childs perspectives. If I'm in my area and you ask me if I have a bomb and I say no, then you try to force into my area and check, you are calling me a liar, and so I will not want to cooperate. It's about sociology and psychology as well.
--Saddam Hussein did commit his crime, an dictatorship which killed, terrorised and spread horror among his own civillian, and espesially the Kurds and the Shiamuslims and which definitive donīt had much weapon.
As a half Arab myself, yes I have resentment for Saddam, but Islam teaches us to be forgiving. Look at the Middle East, there are no problems with the countries we fought with in the Gulf War. We stand united now. Plus you've just switched the subject to Saddam.
Guys does anyone see us jumping from subject to subject here?
---Not to disappoint you, but our country does not have much weapon, but weīre not up to any scary things anyway. See, we donīt like killing unless we get threaten directly.
How do we know that? Maybe a few countries should invade and check it out (see how that twisted around?)
-- We also do believe that itīs possible to live in peace side by side, despite of the difference there must be. We can also learn from each other in a peaceful way, like the way you muslim are takin care of your olders and so on. Here in the western world sometimes olders are dying alone in their homes without nobody to care, or they gets put away into an institution.
I dont understand which point you are arguing here. Because I do agree that Muslims help each other and the Wests attitude to people and the family has become very cold.
---But ok, as you said, thereīs no reason to argue with me since iīm obviosly an extremist in your eyes, but i wonīt say the same about you. You see it both ways, and does not participate with any of the parts in war against terror. Opinion..hmm???
You just said that I shouldn't argue with you, but you notice you asked me a ton of questions. Did you intend for them to go blank?
I can do that if you dont want an answer. Also, again, WHO said I dont support ANTi-terrorism. You seriously need to stop guessing and see the facts, both with this thread and with life.
(you're probably going to just say this is not about life again, but I'm talking about life, I'm talking about you broadening your perspective)
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Aquila
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First, excuse me for my though of you being a lady. So therefor, chill man chill as i can see youīre about to be very upset because youīre trying to attaching me instead of the subject(s):D
Some errors yes, but not everybody in here has english as their mother language just to broaden your perspective a little. And itīs hardly the subject here. Just ask if thereīs something you donīt understand. I do want you to replay my threads, but was you who said there was not any point of arguing with me. It may be that you have a little problem to conserve things you are saying, but i can live with that until a reasonable limit. I also noticed that you wanted some help from a third part for our conversation about what you say or not. Thatīs good. Maybe someone do comes to your assistance, so that you not feel that your are gotten fooled by me about what you said or didnīt 
A little quote again since you want to correct me about the meaning of this thread:
You wrote: In their eyes, they dont want to give up to the US, because the US is the terrorist (I believe that the way their government, they are sneaky terrorists).
Maybe pink panther wrote this without you noticing, as a little child perspective.
(US) and (USA) are both usually used as an abbreviation for United States of America, and itīs a democratic civilized country, and which doesnīt send suicide-bombers around the world, or hazzle other countries unless themselves are being hazzled with.
More child perspective: You got to learn to live with it, and learn to live with it if your opponent are stronger than you.
If i slap a bigger guy in his face and he responses and hits me back, i would have to accept it, without blowing his family or him to smithereens. I just have to accept it as a result of my own action. Thatīs the way of life, sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose. Not that I'm sure, but doesnīt the Koran say something like, you must never loose as a man, or if your enemy makes you loose face, you have to fight him by any means?
If so, i dont think the more moderate Muslims would take this to literarily, but i do think the more extreme would, and thatīs why we have these terror-nets that will never stop, until theyīre stopped. Thereīs always something to revenge in this world, for those who doesnīt learn that you can not always be on top of everything.
Answer to your child perspective, and hope you dont take it to personally.
Yes little Tommy boy, as childs learns from each-other, and some of his friends just blew themselves up with bombs, we would like to know if you are up to the same idea upfront to avoid it from happening to you. Despite the fact that you may be a little sad since you cannot have it your way if thatīs so. So unfortunately, you just have to be a little angry.
Was this any helpful to you?
It is, and has always been some differences between countries and groups of people that has to be solved, but suicide-bombings are not the answer, and can not be understood.
You also said that muslim forgives. Yes, they forgive each other, and live happily ever after until next time theyīre out for another raw. Thatīs the part which is difficult to accept, in other words we dont want here in europe, and i do think Egypt and many other muslim countries takes distance from this way of living as well. Many muslims are also longing for peace and democracy in Iraq. Hopefully, many more of you in the future can study laws and whatever instead of hazzle with this caveman osama bin laden. A great step up in the evolution, just like the IRA her in europe whose laying down their weapons these days.
If our country was locked up against the world society, we would be happy if someone came for a little check now and then. But weīre not, and most countries, which has to know, knows our arsenal of weapons. As a member of NATO and FN as well, we have quite frequent military excersises and drilling with our allied countries.
I do think we can agree that the muslims are taking better care of their own, and that our western countries has became cold. But thats not any reasons to warm us up with suicide-bombers. So letīs hope that the world society someday can manage to crush the terror-cells and that we someday can live in peace as reasonable civilized peoples, and exchange more positive and peaceful knowledge from each-other |
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screw it. you guess too much.
---First, excuse me for my though of you being a lady. So therefor, chill man chill as i can see youīre about to be very upset because youīre trying to attaching me instead of the subject(s):D
No need to say Chill because I'm stressed. And I've not attacked you at all. So as you have just proven what I said, You do Guess and insinuate too much.
---Some errors yes, but not everybody in here has english as their mother language just to broaden your perspective a little.
Oh really? Perhaps you skimmed over the part where I said I'm half Arab.
--- And itīs hardly the subject here. Just ask if thereīs something you donīt understand. I do want you to replay my threads, but was you who said there was not any point of arguing with me. It may be that you have a little problem to conserve things you are saying, but i can live with that until a reasonable limit.
I dont like these games, because first this is not your thread. It's Whizzkids. Second how about this. DONT reply to my posts. Lets see how that works out. Bring in ANYONE into this thread and they will agree that what I wrote is understandable and in a normal tone.
--I also noticed that you wanted some help from a third part for our conversation about what you say or not. Thatīs good. Maybe someone do comes to your assistance, so that you not feel that your are gotten fooled by me about what you said or didnīt
I want a third party to neutrally assess the fact that I am not biased, not to join my side.
---A little quote again since you want to correct me about the meaning of this thread:
You wrote: In their eyes, they dont want to give up to the US, because the US is the terrorist (I believe that the way their government, they are sneaky terrorists).
Maybe pink panther wrote this without you noticing, as a little child perspective.
If you noticed, I added that it was directed to the government, whereas YOU directed to a country which includes all its people. And if you DIDN'T mean that, you should have been clearer.
--(US) and (USA) are both usually used as an abbreviation for United States of America, and itīs a democratic civilized country, and which doesnīt send suicide-bombers around the world, or hazzle other countries unless themselves are being hazzled with.
Thanks for that, but i could care less about the US.
China is a well progressing country at the moment, that used to believe in communism (where as some say they still do) it is believed that they try to control their population by limiting births and making laws which make payment for additional children necessary.
You provide information in an arrogant tone. Let me add that the country doesn't have anything to do with what the people do, although it COULD influence it. You have implied that other countries are not civilized and democratic, and no other countries dont have suicide bombers. Look at Pakistan, India, Egypt, Japan.
Ignorance *sighs*
--More child perspective: You got to learn to live with it, and learn to live with it if your opponent are stronger than you.
If i slap a bigger guy in his face and he responses and hits me back, i would have to accept it, without blowing his family or him to smithereens.
LOL! So once someone is better that you, you just bow down? I dont think so, I try to get stronger if he pushes me around and then fight back. If I smash you in the face I'll be you wont accept it.
You just something that contradicts what you said. Learn to live with? Ok, learn to live with the bombers.
I just have to accept it as a result of my own action. Thatīs the way of life, sometimes you win, and sometimes you loose. Not that I'm sure, but doesnīt the Koran say something like, you must never loose as a man, or if your enemy makes you loose face, you have to fight him by any means?
If so, i dont think the more moderate Muslims would take this to literarily, but i do think the more extreme would, and thatīs why we have these terror-nets that will never stop, until theyīre stopped. Thereīs always something to revenge in this world, for those who doesnīt learn that you can not always be on top of everything.
Answer to your child perspective, and hope you dont take it to personally.
Yes little Tommy boy, as childs learns from each-other, and some of his friends just blew themselves up with bombs, we would like to know if you are up to the same idea upfront to avoid it from happening to you. Despite the fact that you may be a little sad since you cannot have it your way if thatīs so. So unfortunately, you just have to be a little angry.
Was this any helpful to you?
--It is, and has always been some differences between countries and groups of people that has to be solved, but suicide-bombings are not the answer, and can not be understood.
I never said it was, and suicide is against Islam. If you can't understand why they do it though, it's because you are not empathizing and not trying to understand.
---You also said that muslim forgives. Yes, they forgive each other, and live happily ever after until next time theyīre out for another raw.
evidence? At least we try. Look at the yearly prejudice between Japan and China, UK and France, Germans and Russians. The world and US.
---Thatīs the part which is difficult to accept, in other words we dont want here in europe, and i do think Egypt and many other muslim countries takes distance from this way of living as well.
You are not clear in this. Take distance from what? No wait, don't answer, as I said I dont want an reply from you to my post.
---Many muslims are also longing for peace and democracy in Iraq.
They want it, but not at the expense at being used by the US.
--Hopefully, many more of you in the future can study laws and whatever instead of hazzle with this caveman osama bin laden. A great step up in the evolution, just like the IRA her in europe whose laying down their weapons these days.
I am currenty a Law Student in the University of Essex.
I specifically studying, Constitutional Law, International Law, and Contract Law. Foot in your mouth?
Again you are insulting my people by saying we are all uneducated, by saying that, you are proving YOU are uneducated.
---If our country was locked up against the world society, we would be happy if someone came for a little check now and then. But weīre not, and most countries, which has to know, knows our arsenal of weapons. As a member of NATO and FN as well, we have quite frequent military excersises and drilling with our allied countries.
At the end of the day, the country is its own and can do what they want within it. Thats why there are country laws, and borders.
And it's not the right of the US to decide that it will be the world police.
--I do think we can agree that the muslims are taking better care of their own, and that our western countries has became cold. But thats not any reasons to warm us up with suicide-bombers.
You combined two totally difference subjects here. PICK ONE AND STICK WITH IT! It's like talking to 10 different people with different thoughts. American people are good at Capitalizing an industry but thats not a reason for oranges to grow in Africa.
--So letīs hope that the world society someday can manage to crush the terror-cells and that we someday can live in peace as reasonable civilized peoples, and exchange more positive and peaceful knowledge from each-other
Yes, lets do hope that. But lets hope that each country will respect the other. And the US will stop fighting for OIL.
Having said that, lets also hope that money isn't needed anymore.
Again, please dont reply to my post.
i'm saving this thread to show my American Consitutional Professor. I'll bet he'll have a right field day.
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Aquila
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Lol.. in my whole life, i have never read so much rubbish in my whole life as "especially" your last post, so ok... as you wish. i wont replay, even though i could want som concrete evidence about where you was implying that the USA are stealing oil from Iraq. But you donīt have to... itīs all a guess after all.
Good luck to you in your future profession, which i "guess" will be high tempered.. a good condition for the future democracy from your point of view...as i know you by now.
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Phew!
Such long posts in pigeon english are hard work to read, remember that guys.
My condolences to the families of the victims in Egypt.
I was impressed by News footage on TV showing Egyptian citizens protesting in the streets, denouncing the bombings and the terrorists.
It's good to know that Egyptians and Westerner's stand together in defiance of terror.
I heard a very interesting opinion by an expert speaking on Radio NZ.
He said that the terrorist's were trying to create division between Muslims and the West. By causing a them and us attitude world-wide they hope to start a world war. They want an anti-muslim backlash to motivate Muslims living in the West to see themselves as fighting religious oppression.
The best way to defeat the terrorists is for Muslims an Westerners to stand together, to cooperate in investigating the bombings and bring the perpetrators and conspirators to justice.
Westerners targeting muslim groups are just playing into the terrorists hands as are muslims and liberal peaceniks who call for the U.S. to withdraw form Iraq.
And lay off Lazn. What he's seen, none of us would want to see.
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Aquila
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Me as well, i want to send my condolence to all the victims and their families.
I also agree that the world has to stand together against the terror, and despite whoīs committing it, what culture considered. |
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you dont know me.
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Everyone happy here? Remember that it's only an internet forum.
"I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC |
Aquila
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Yes everythingīs alright. Guess we were carried away for a while in this forum:D |
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well i agree with that !!! |
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"Westerners targeting muslim groups are just playing into the terrorists hands as are muslims and liberal peaceniks who call for the U.S. to withdraw form Iraq"
you can't equally compare racist thugs with people who are against countries wrongly invading and occupying other countries for their own greedy self interests.
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