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JK
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On 2005-07-13 14:29:54, 786KBR wrote:
So now Id like to know who said that AL-Quieda took responsibility??
Puts things into perspective doesnt it... a bomb goes off, lets blame al quieda even if we dont have proof!!!
The guy who released that statement should be shot!!!!
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I still dont believe the whole al quida involvement... the bombers were twisted british citizens, with no real motive... maybe just bored!!!
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Sammy_boy
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On 2005-07-16 08:39:13, 786KBR wrote:
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On 2005-07-13 14:29:54, 786KBR wrote:
So now Id like to know who said that AL-Quieda took responsibility??
Puts things into perspective doesnt it... a bomb goes off, lets blame al quieda even if we dont have proof!!!
The guy who released that statement should be shot!!!!
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I still dont believe the whole al quida involvement... the bombers were twisted british citizens, with no real motive... maybe just bored!!!
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You've quoted yourself here! 
Bored British citizens..... hmmm!  Most Bored youngsters in this country usually steal cars, terrorise old ladies, mug each other for mobile phones or fim each other twatting somone, but they generally don't get together, and say 'Sod this for a lark, let's make a bomb, catch a train down to London and blow ourselves and loads of innocent civilans to smithereens! Oh, and take your mobile so we can film it and show off to our mates!!"
"Oh, hold on a sec...."
The evidence seems to be pointing to 'Islamic' terrorists, I can't see who else would want to do it, certainly not bored kids wanting to up the ante on the happy slapping craze or because they're bored of watching Big Brother!
"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
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JK
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i seems to be poiting to islamic terrorists but theres still no proof, its brittish citizens... just islamic!!
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Here is a excellent Article by John Pilger.
John Pilger: It's Nothing To Do With Hating Our Way Of life
In all the coverage of last week's bombing of London, a basic truth is struggling to be heard. It is this: no one doubts the atrocious inhumanity of those who planted the bombs, but no one should also doubt that this has been coming since the day Tony Blair joined George Bush in their bloody invasion and occupation of Iraq. They are "Blair's bombs", and he ought not be allowed to evade culpability with yet another unctuous speech about "our way of life", which his own rapacious violence in other countries has despoiled.
Indeed, the only reliable warning from British intelligence in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq was that which predicted a sharp increase in terrorism "with Britain and Britons a target". A House of Commons committee has since verified this warning. Had Blair heeded it instead of conspiring to deceive the nation that Iraq offered a threat the Londoners who died on Thursday might be alive today, along with tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.
Three weeks ago, a classified CIA report revealed that the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq had turned that country into a focal point of terrorism. None of the intelligence agencies regarded Iraq as such a flashpoint before the invasion, however tyrannical the regime. On the contrary, in 2003, the CIA reported that Iraq "exported no terrorist threat to his neighbours" and that Saddam Hussein was "implacably hostile to Al-Qaeda".
Blair's and Bush's invasion changed all that. In invading a stricken and defenceless country at the heart of the Islamic and Arab world, their adventure became self-fulfilling; Blair's epic irresponsibility has brought the daily horrors of Iraq home to Britain. For more than a year, he has urged the British to "move on" from Iraq, and last week it seemed that his spinmeisters and good fortune had joined hands. The awarding of the 2012 Olympics to London created the fleeting illusion that all was well, regardless of messy events in a faraway country.
Moreover, the G8 meeting in Scotland and its accompanying "Make Poverty History" campaign and circus of celebrities served as a temporary cover for what is arguably the greatest political scandal of modern times: an illegal, brutal and craven invasion conceived in lies and which, under the system of international law established at Nuremberg, represented a "paramount war crime".
Over the past two weeks, the contrast between the coverage of the G8, its marches and pop concerts, and another "global" event has been striking. The World Tribunal on Iraq in Istanbul has had virtually no coverage, yet the evidence it has produced, the most damning to date, has been the silent spectre at the Geldoff extravaganzas.
The tribunal is a serious international public inquiry into the invasion and occupation, the kind governments dare not hold. Its expert, eyewitness testimonies, said the author Arundathi Roy, a tribunal jury member, "demonstrate that even those of us who have tried to follow the war closely are not aware of a fraction of the horrors that have been unleashed in Iraq." The most shocking was given by Dahr Jamail, one of the best un-embedded reporters working in Iraq. He described how the hospitals of besieged Fallujah had been subjected to an American tactic of collective punishment, with US marines assaulting staff and stopping the wounded entering, and American snipers firing at the doors and windows, and medicines and emergency blood prevented from reaching them. Children, the elderly, were shot dead in front of their families, in cold blood.
Imagine for a moment the same appalling state of affairs imposed on the London hospitals that received the victims of Thursday's bombing. Unimaginable? Well, it happens, in our name, regardless of whether the BBC reports it, which is rare. When will someone ask about this at one of the staged "press conferences" at which Blair is allowed to emote for the cameras stuff about "our values outlast [ing] theirs"? Silence is not journalism. In Fallujah, they know "our values" only too well.
While the two men responsible for the carnage in Iraq, Bush and Blair, were side by side at Gleneagles, why wasn't the connection of their fraudulent "war on terror" made with the bombing in London? And when will someone in the political class say that Blair's smoke-and-mirrors "debt cancellation" at best amounts to less than the money the government spent in a week brutalising Iraq, where British and American violence is the cause of the doubling of child poverty and malnutrition since Saddam Hussein was overthrown (Unicef).
The truth is that the debt relief the G8 is offering is lethal because its ruthless "conditionalities" of captive economies far outweigh any tenuous benefit. This was taboo during the G8 week, whose theme was not so much making poverty history as the silencing and pacifying and co-opting dissent and truth. The mawkish images on giant screens behind the pop stars in Hyde Park included no pictures of murdered Iraqi doctors with the blood streaming from their heads, cut down by Bush's snipers. Real life became more satirical than satire could ever be.
There was Bob Geldoff on the front pages resting his smiling face on smiling Blair's shoulder, the war criminal and his knighted jester. There was an heroically silhouetted Bono, who celebrates men like Jeffrey Sachs as saviours of the world's poor while lauding "compassionate" George Bush's "war on terror" as one of his generation's greatest achievements; and there was Paul Wolfowitz, beaming and promising to make poverty history: this is the man who, before he was handed control of the World Bank, was an apologist for Suharto's genocidal regime in Indonesia, who was one of the architects of Bush's "neo-con" putsch and of the bloodfest in Iraq and the notion of "endless war".For the politicians and pop stars and church leaders and polite people who believed Blair and Gordon Brown when they declared their "great moral crusade" against poverty, Iraq was an embarrassment. The killing of more than 100,000 Iraqis mostly by American gunfire and bombs -- a figure reported in a comprehensive peer-reviewed study in The Lancet -- was airbrushed from mainstream debate.
In our free societies, the unmentionable is that "the state has lost its mind and is punishing so many innocent people", as Arthur Miller once wrote, "and so the evidence has to be internally denied." Not only denied, but distracted by an entire court: Geldoff, Bono, Madonna, McCartney et al, whose "Live 8" was the very antithesis of 15 February 2003 when two million people brought their hearts and brains and anger to the streets of London. Blair will almost certainly use last week's atrocity and tragedy to further deplete basic human rights in Britain, as Bush has done in America. The goal is not security, but greater control. Above all this, the memory of their victims, "our" victims, in Iraq demands the return of our anger. And nothing less is owed to those who died and suffered in London last week, unnecessarily.
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absinthebri
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In Russell Square at 2.00pm on today Muslims and non-Muslims will gather together to remember those killed by the London bombings and those killed every day by George Bush’s “war on terror”, and to show that we are united in opposing the racism and anti-Islamic hysteria which is being generated with the aim of scapegoating a whole community for the actions of the London bombers.
VIGIL AND SOLIDARITY GATHERING
Remember and Unite
17 JULY 2005 2PM
Russell Square WC1
Please bring flowers and to wear something white or black.
Called jointly by the Stop the War Coalition and the Muslim Association of Britain.
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Dj Boyi
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@axxxr,ur such a boring git,do u know anything about phones? Or u just like to copy and paste other ppls shit! Man,Esato made a mistake enrolling u in the team,all u ever post is anti-bush/blair comments. Just remember that it wasnt bush or blair that killed 24 iraqi children in baghdad the other day,it wuz the TERRORISTS! Time i went to mobile9 or somewhere so i can read about PHONES! Ciao!
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absinthebri
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On 2005-07-17 08:52:21, boyi wrote:
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remember that it wasnt bush or blair that killed 24 iraqi children in baghdad the other day,it wuz the TERRORISTS! Time i went to mobile9 or somewhere so i can read about PHONES! Ciao!
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Would that be the terrorist who didn't exist until well after the US/UK invasion totally destabilised Iraq.
I agree, primary responsibility for any atrocity is the perpetrator of that atrocity but unless one understands the motivation for such actions the preconditions will continue.
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absinthebri
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On 2005-07-15 16:49:23, absinthebri wrote:
"The reality was neatly summed up this week in a radio exchange between the BBC's political editor, Andrew Marr, and its security correspondent, Frank Gardner, who was left disabled by an al-Qaida attack in Saudi Arabia last year. Was it the "very diversity, that melting pot aspect of London" that Islamist extremists found so offensive that they wanted to kill innocent civilians in Britain's capital, Marr wondered. "No, it's not that," replied Gardner briskly, who is better acquainted with al-Qaida thinking than most. "What they find offensive are the policies of western governments and specifically the presence of western troops in Muslim lands, notably Iraq and Afghanistan.""
Read the full, excellent, article from Thursday's Guardian:
It is an insult to the dead to deny the link with Iraq
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And if you want to listen to the radio programme I'm quoting from, you can find it at Start the Week (programme of 11 July 2005). Mr. Gardner comes in at about 6min 15secs but the whole programme is interesting (talks about the Olympics, etc.).
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axxxr
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On 2005-07-17 08:52:21, boyi wrote:
@axxxr,ur such a boring git,do u know anything about phones? Or u just like to copy and paste other ppls shit! Man,Esato made a mistake enrolling u in the team,all u ever post is anti-bush/blair comments. Just remember that it wasnt bush or blair that killed 24 iraqi children in baghdad the other day,it wuz the TERRORISTS! Time i went to mobile9 or somewhere so i can read about PHONES! Ciao!
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99% of my news is mobile related so if i do post just that 1% of non-mobile related stuff is what i like to do in my spare time;then i don't think its such a big deal...
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peeta
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this is also the "MOBILE FREE THREAD" so suprise suprise...
that article is why real disscusion about US/UK foriegn policy is never had. its too horiffic and truthful.
the people must be kept dumb, watch big brother and switch off is Blairs real aim.
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axxxr
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Thankyou peeta....This is the Mobile Free Thread so we talk about things other than mobiles...why is that a problem for some i don't quite get it?...its just that a so called member has been stirring up things against me and now suddenly this is happening....
Lets just all please now try and get back on topic!
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On 2005-07-17 08:52:21, boyi wrote:
! Time i went to mobile9 or somewhere so i can read about PHONES! Ciao!
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yh mate you do that, and dont turn your back no more no more, you fool, if it bothers you that much then get lost, simple innit? if you dont like him moaning about bush n blair and so i dont like you, is that fair? or why dont we just hate everyone bcoz we dont like somethink about them huh? you need to use your nut nut before you chat cr*p.
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Dj Boyi
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@upper,shut up noob!
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absinthebri
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Iraq war support 'put UK at risk'
Supporting the US-led invasion of Iraq put the UK more at risk from terrorist attack, a report has said.
The Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Economic and Social Research Council report also said the invasion boosted al-Qaeda.
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Dj Boyi
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Well u dont need to be a genius to work that one out. Italy next then?
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