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Think an Ipaq has more uses than a P800? |
Drinky
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Check this shit:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4629
"Significantly the document shows that the P800 range will be capable of supporting email attachments... Want a new screen saver for your Symbian smartphone? Easy, use MMS then. We don't think so - email is cheaper. If end users can by-pass an operator's MMS portal and download files directly to their smartphones, like the P800, then they won't have to pay the excessive storage and delivery prices network operators seem to want to charge to deliver MMS messages...If, as Sony Ericsson's leaked memo claims ... "attachments may be viewed using the built-in viewers for Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint and Adobe Acrobat(PDF)," who needs MMS?
Use standard email instead. Better still viewers for over different 20 file formats may be loaded onto the P800 from the CD supplied with the original product."
20 different viewable formats? High levels of development for Symbian OS with apps to come? Sounds to me as though the P800 is going to be able to do almost everything a Pocket PC can do, and then some. | |
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peanut
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viewers it says, not creation software. bit different to a pocket pc!
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faca
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What is this guy talking about? A 'LEAKED technical document' !?! There is nothing in that article that I didn't already now from publicly availably stuff.
As for the P800 vs. IPaq comparison, a P800 might be a very cool gadget when it comes out, but you can't really compare its usefulness with an IPaq. Just look at the amount of software available for Pocket PC. You can even play games like DOOM, Tomb Radier and Ultima Underworld on your IPaq! P800 and its Symbian OS won't have that kind of software availability for at least another year. And by that time, P800 will be completely obsoleted by new 3G phones. With an IPaq, you can just simply replace your T68i (or whatever you are using) with a never 3G bluetooth phone and keep using your old IPaq with it.
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andrew99
Joined: Nov 29, 2001
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Umm faca
You can get Doom for the 9210 already, and as that is Symbian, I'd say you will have doom for the P800 pretty much straight away...
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andrew99
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Oh, and considering the P800 is expected to cost about half the price of an iPaq because of network subsidies, I'll be pretty happy with a P800.
You are right that 3G will make the P800 out of date, but not for at least 18 months, and probably a lot longer. By that time, the iPaq will be looking a bit tired as well. All products have life cycles.
As far as saying why use MMS not email, I'd say because on receiving an MMS my phone will tell me straight away, where as if I want my phone to receive email, I have to set it up to poll the server, which means I am constantly using (and paying for) data. If I want to send and receive MMS, I want them to be virtually instant.
Also, for the masses, MMS is going to be a lot easier to setup than email, it should work out of the box where as email takes an external provider, and some configuration to get to work. |
jess_strawberry
Joined: Dec 29, 2001
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In my country, we don't even know when the operators will launch MMS let alone 3G network.
And if I get a p800, it will be with me for at least another 2 years or so. |
Caspa
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The whole point of a P800 is that is a smartphone and therefore combining the two into one device...and it is the most advanced and impressive to date!...make your judgement when you have tried one, using one changed my views...i was a 9110 user who moved to two devices...and after going through a few combinations of phone and palm model, the P800 will covert me back to one device...
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decoy7
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iPAQ is 'tainted brand'
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/26395.html
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Deltayoda
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Hey, so is 3G 
Sure the Ipaq and T68i will be outdated, but you expect 3G, UMTS to be more popular than what we have now? heh, maybe in another five or ten years ;-P Only a hand full of people even use a T68i and IPAQ in the first place, even though it's top of the line.
Hell, the majority of mobile users still use old stuff, but who cares? They are happy with it.
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jplacson
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The P800 comes with a 1st person shooter type game, MIB-II...new from Sony, of course... Sony is porting a lot of it's PS, and PS2 games to the P800 and other upcoming SE phones... You may not get Doom, but Sony is doing everything in it's power to make sure the SE phones will have priority in terms of content from Sony Gaming, Sony Pictures, Sony Records, and Sony Electronics.
Symbian is an open standard, SW may not be as abundant as Palm's or PPC, but it is growing. Most smartphones will be running Symbian, and now that MS has scrapped their Stinger project to support Symbian, SW for UIQ or OS7 will grow. App wise, I think Symbian and PPC are on equal levels...for now.
The P800 is also being given the ability to interact with the PS2, characters and settings can be transported to other PS2 machines using the P800... training your character can also be done on the P800.
the PPC platform is nice...next best thing to a laptop... but it's too power hungry, hangs too often, cannot conform to different form factors, cannot support different screen sizes, and is as inflexible as Windows itself. It's a good choice for a PDA, but not as an OS for smartphones, and other devices other that PDAs for which it was designed for. |
jplacson
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Oh, and to the author of the article on the 'inquirer' link above...how STUPID is that??? Not all phones are e-mail enabled... even the T68i cannot view attachments... what kind of crippled analysis was that??? 'Who will use MMS'???? DUH, everyone who doesn't have a 7650 or P800???
MMS is a mobile standard...it adapts to the receiver of the message... B&W screen? It will convert images to grayscale. No MMS capable handset? It will send you an html link for you to visit. THAT is the beauty of MMS... not to mention the convenience of taking pictures and sending them instantly! It's the next best thing to video phones.
I think video phones will be a reality soon... but I wouldn't use it as often as SMS/voice. Who wants their boss to know where you REALLY are when you're late for work? Video phones have their place. As does SMS, EMS, and MMS. The fact that there are still analog phones out there... I think it's a big enough market for everyone to play nice. |
Deltayoda
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MMS maybe a new mobile standard, but even in Europe, people still don't use EMS to its capabilities and still stick mostly to plain old SMS.
They keep trying to make mobile phones more attractive for people to buy, but the truth to matter is, most people don't want to pay extra for something so useless (Although, I would just for the hell of it, hehe).
And as for videophones, why? We may have the capabilities to provide this technology to the masses, but it's such crap right now, its not even worth the extra $$$.
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faca
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I agree, mobile phone manufacturers today spend a lot of effort in producing fancy smartphones like P800 or 7650, inventing technologies like MMS, WAP etc, but who is really going to use that? Only a relatively small number of tech geeks and enthusiasts. Most of people still buy mobile phones (and will buy them for quite some tome in the future) just to make phone calls and maybe use SMS. Phone companies and operators (in order to make more money) are trying hard to persuade users that they need more than that, but do they really?
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meiwing
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The entire point of producing new wireless mediums to transmit data is an effort to evolve data to wireless instead of fixed line. Ideally, the world will move towards a wireless standard. GSM has been proven in most of the world already and with T-mobile consolidating the entire services industry we can expect global low-cost service to occur soon on the GSM networks. The P800 is striving to be a great 2.5G phone using GSM and GPRS networks. While MMS will be rather expensive, the e-mail client and added features should boost cost efficiency through the roof. When people start to realize that a wireless connection can be just as fast and inexpensive as their fixed line connection, they will switch to wireless. |
faca
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@meiwing:
This is exaclty the kind of thing mobile operators would like you to believe. Wireless is cool, wireless is the future, you have to go wireless or you'll be left behind. But is this really the case?
Fixed line connections are already here. They are very fast, reliable and quite cheap. And if you have a wired office and a wired home, why would you need wireless? To read email while you're driving to work? To surf the web while you're taking a walk? I don't really need that stuff, thank you. And neither do most of the people out there (sure, there are exceptions but they are a great minority). Mobile phones are great for being just that: phones that you can carry with you to be available everywhere you go. But, a color display on your phone? Surfing the Web on your phone? Taking pictures with it? Sure, being notified that you have new email is nice, but a 384Kbps link to your phone!?! Come on! And videotelephony? You allready have videophones for fixed lines (ISDN I think), but is anybody using them? No! Because they don't need them. And if they don't need them for fixed lines, why would they need them for wireless ones?
So why all this hype about wireless, smartphones and 3G? Well, it's simple. Telecoms can't really increase their profit from fixed connections anymore, so they are telling you that fixed connections are crap and that everybody is going wireless and so should you. Mobile manufacuters can't really sell a lot of normal mobile phones anymore (because everybody has them already) so they are trying to persuade you that you need smartphones with color screens and MMS and web browsers and integrated cameras and all that crap. But, do you?
Wireless connections will never be as fast and inexpensive as fixed line connections like you say. That is just ridiculous. There is absolutely
no good reason why people should switch from wired to wireless. There are, in fact, reasons NOT to switch (speed, reliability, price, ...). So, don't believe big companies when they are tellling you that wireless is the future. They are just trying to squeeze more money out of you by selling you something new.
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