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does the HBH-20 work with Nokia 6310i? |
davey
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Can any one confirm if the Ericsson HBH20 bluetooth headset will work with the Nokia 6310I
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mrNoodles
Joined: Feb 28, 2002
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Cant confirm it, but why shouldnt it work?
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HC
Joined: Apr 23, 2002
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Yes, it will...
I've tried my HBH-20 on a 6310 for a couple of minutes only, but it did work.. I didn't get the PTT to work with voice-commands, though - but I didn't really trie hard... Funny thing, the 6310 i tried actually worked better with the HBH-20 than my T68, except of course for the importance of doing voice-dialing through the headset. But every sound on the phone (f.ex. tones from the keys etc.) where heard through the headset. That's not a fact on the T68, but luckily there've been at least some improvements with the upgrade..
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Cytech
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totally agree with mrNoodles 
since it follows the Bluetooth standard it works... I know at least that Motorola Bluetooth headset works with  phones |
davey
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thanks HC
what do you mean with PTT |
HC
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Sorry, with PTT I mean the key(s) you use for answering/rejecting calls, and also to voice-dial.. PTT (Press To Talk) is what Siemens call the button on their hands-frees, and I guess I've worked a little to much with Siemens the last week.. 
What I meant was actually that I coulden't use any of the buttons on the HBH-20 in any way to voice-dial..
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john74
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do you think the hbh-15 will work?? |
arnoldc
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it did.Quote:
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On 2002-05-27 00:05, john74 wrote:
do you think the hbh-15 will work??
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Orion
Joined: May 22, 2002
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As long as it uses the Bluetooth v1.1 standard your fine and since most (if not all) of the bluetooth headsets for the ericsson have to be Bluetooth v1.1 compatible you shouldnt have a problem. Also the botton on the headsets should have the standard signal to the phone they shouldnt have a problem either. |
arnoldc
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orion, bluetooth sig 1.1 is not required. the t68 i and m are both 1.0b. as long as the headset profile is supported it should work, supposedly. but, the 6310 has a problem with bluetooth because there is just on and off, no automatic mode, and sometimes after the call, BT on the 6310 does not work anymore. tried it with my friend's 6310. |
peanut
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it only has to be 'headset accepts' to comply. The ericsson units act as this only when attached to 6310i. if you press to talk the phone always asks you if you want to connect rather than just doing it like the t68. a tad annoying i find
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Jumpinfrog
Joined: May 27, 2002
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True,
tried T68i and 6310i with HBH-20. Sound quality and range are much better with 6310i. About phone sounds in the headset, I just turned off auto answer on 6310i. Don't need it because of answer button on headset.
No voice dialling through the phone button on the HBH-20  . Well, can live with that.
((Had T68i for a while and connected with bluetooth looked too much like a circus to me with green and blue light (probably a bad place to say this.... understand that it is a beautiful piece of equipment with more functions than Nokia. Had too much trouble connecting T68 to Palm and Laptop. Took only 30 min with 6310i probably bad luck with T68i) |
jh67
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I just tested the 6310i and bluetooth capability. And it isnt really impressive. Nokia still have some problems in the way their bluetooth works.
First I tried it with HBH-10,...it works the first time,..but when turning either phone or headset off,..after this the headset cannot be found by phone.
I solved this by giving the bluetooth headset another PASSKEY (normal is 0000,..tried to call it 1234).
This was done by pairing the headset with an Ericsson phone, as I could not retrieve passkey at all from the Nokia phone.
After this it works,..the problem is, that every time you turn the headset or phone off,..you have to go into the bluetooth-menu in the phone, and re-establish contact to headset.
The whole idea of the bluetooth headset, is that you do not have to have your phone within range,..hmmmm
This is due to the way Nokia have built their bluetooth part,..NOT very smart.
What the e.g. 6310/i also lacks is the "Automatic" mode,..the Nokia only features bluetooth-modes ON or OFF.
So either you use a lot of battery,..or you can't use bluetooth,..hmmm, again not very smart.
I tried out Bluespoon, HBH-15 and HBH-10,..all works the same way.
The reason why you have to change the PASSKEY-code is, that Nokia phones see passkey 0000 as default,..and therefore do not make a "real" pairing. Thats the reason why the phone cant "see" the headset after the headset have been turned off and ON again.
When I tried the headsets using default-passkey 0000, the Nokia 6310i didnt ask for a passkey.
BUT when I changed the passkey of the headsets to e.g. 1234,..THEN the phone asked for it,..meaning it established a partnership.
So yes, you can change the passkey-code of the headset,...but you need a phone that can actually do this,..e.g. an Ericsson model.
And yes,..you can use e.g. an Ericsson headset with the Nokia, BUT you still need to re-activate it every time it has been turned off and on
This is by no means satisfying,...its kinda tricky,...and not very easy.
I wish Nokia could work the same way/functionality as the Ericsson/SE-model phones,..its much easier,..and you dont need to go into the bluetooth-menu everytime the phone or headset have been turned off.
AND you have the mode called "automatic" which doesnt drain the battery !
The 6310i although is a nice phone,..but the need to work on the functionality of bluetooth,...not just on this model.
Jan
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Jumpinfrog
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Jan,
Thanks for the explanation. It is always good to know which part of the system is being primitive (in this case the Nokia it seems). Can this be taken care of through a software update you think?
I think the situation with the HBH-20 is not as bad as with the others. Maybe I have misunderstood you and what I am doing is what you describe. I have used the passkey 0000 the first time and now have to only reestablish the connection after fallout or turning off. (menu 11, 4, select, hbh-20, activate BT conn.) A little bit like putting in my old wired headset. I remember with the T68i during normal use after turning on the headset it said: found HBH-20, pair? If I would be able to change the passkey (my sister has T68 still) would the phone recognise the headset when I turn it on?
Why is no phone perfect? Because don't tell me the T68i is. I have tried it. 6310i also seems not..... sigh. |
jh67
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Jumpinfrog >
You're welcome
Yes,..in this case its the Nokia-system being "primitive". They tried to make it as easy as possible,..but instead ended up with something else, thats much harder.
As You probably know,..I also work with "bluetooth-people" on the Bluespoon,..and we've been looking into the way the 6310i works, and how Nokia have built their system,...I dont really know for sure, if an "update" would do the trick here.
I'm not quite sure about HBH-20,..only tried it out for a very short while,..so this might be a bit different than HBH-10 and 15. HBH-20 might work easier with the Nokia.
The good thing about the Ericsson/Sonyericsson phones are, that you dont have to re-establish contact, after its been broken off.
This is done automatically. Once you switch headset ON,..the phone "see" it.
Sonyericsson/Ericsson phones dont ask for passkeys whenever headset is turned off and on. Once You paired headset and phone, then contact is established/re-established without touching anything.
This is the right way to use bluetooth
This feature is not on the Nokia phones,..and you have to re-establish contact each time the headset or phone is turned off.
Nokia really needs to improve their bluetooth-functionality,..its not good enough,..way to difficult.
I use the T68i and HBH-20,..it never asks for passkey, when I turn it on. I use default passkey 0000.
It will only ask for passkey, if the phone and headset have not been paired correctly.
About the Nokia 6310i and HBH-20. Well, You could change the passkey to e.g. 3333 instead of 0000.
But You would STILL have to "activate" bluetooth headset in the bluetooth menu in the Nokia. The Nokia phone will not reconize the headset by itself,..so it will not help you much
It seems to work the way it can at the moment, so You might as well leave it at that
I was also looking at the 7650,..well, untill I found out, that it doesnt have bluetooth headset profile ! Hmmmm, big mistake !
It can only be used for data-transfer, e.g. connection to internet, synchronization and so on,...BUT no "bluetooth-talking" here
Too bad really,..I did find 7650 quite interesting.
I'm still hoping that Nokia might put the headset-profile into the 7650, before its released,..but I dont really think so
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Well, no phone is completely "perfect", they always miss something, thats why we keep getting new ones,..and they keep producing new ones as well 
And no, the T68i is not perfect either,..but its in the better part of whats possible to do, and what will work.
T68 has come a long way I think,..a lot of new things that actually work,..and I know the "next version" of it, will be even better
I'm quite sure too, that Nokia will "get the grip" on Bluetooth.
And the next version of 63xx (64xx) will surely be even better !
The bad thing about these high-tech phones, is that the more high-tech it gets,..the bigger the chance is, that something will not work properly. We'll just have to live with that
Jan
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