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tha pound
Joined: Dec 18, 2001
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when i tap with the t9... i can't reach 160 charachter !!!why ???? but whe i disactive the t9 i can... tricky... |
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tha pound
Joined: Dec 18, 2001
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12 persons have seen the message and nobody can answer... little big beu.... |
Teddy
Joined: Jan 03, 2002
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From: Madrid
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Well, the same happens in my spanish T39. I asked the same in alt.ericsson and it appears to be something with 16 bit and 8 bit characters...
Spanish has many accented letters and this in a way affects the characters...seems that there is no solution to this... |
tha pound
Joined: Dec 18, 2001
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I think it's not normal !!! Nokia doesn't have this problem... !!! |
jucame
Joined: Nov 30, 2001
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Well, hello guys finally somebody there asking same thing I have been wondering all this last weeks since I bought my T68, no answer at all,but I have discovered something that might be good at least to know, if you keep writting at least till sms 3 (you must have sms in long) ask the person you have send the sms how many did he/she got, I have check that they do received only one, so, you pay for only one not 3 sms as quote on the mobile, for sure is a bug Ericsson must fix, hope we get an answer someday, regards. |
Teddy
Joined: Jan 03, 2002
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Hi Jucame!  Well, I sent a long SMS (two parts) to my wife and the T39 actually sent two SMS's...I checked with Ericsson here in Madrid and they told me that there was no solution not even with a firmware, the phone is "BUILT LIKE THAT" it is a serious bug...I didn't know that it affected the T68 too... |
arnoldc
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The SMS standard is limited to 160 characters. It is not a phone limit (and definitely not a bug), its the SMSC.
In fact we should thank Ericsson for finding a way to send "long" SMS in multiple 160-character parts.
With EMS, the receiving phone "assembles" the multipart SMS into one EMS message.
Until MMS, this is how it works.
With regards to the question of "tha pound", it also happened to me. Near the end of the 160 character limit, it beeps and the word T9 was suggesting will make the entire message length over the 160 characters. In "long" SMS, it may also happen near the end of the last SMS part.
When composing message, and you're near the end you will see a remaining character counter at the top of the screen.
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[ This Message was edited by: arnoldc on 2002-01-04 02:11 ] |
Teddy
Joined: Jan 03, 2002
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Arnold, then why do Nokia phones allow for T9 160 characters long SMS without any problem?
It's an Ericcson phone problem?
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arnoldc
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On 2002-01-04 11:08, Teddy wrote:
Arnold, then why do Nokia phones allow for T9 160 characters long SMS without any problem?
It's an Ericcson phone problem?
[ This Message was edited by: Teddy on 2002-01-04 11:09 ]
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The T68 does. I use T9 to compose up to 160 character messages ("long messages is OFF"). |
Jimak
Joined: Jan 04, 2002
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On 2002-01-04 11:08, Teddy wrote:
Arnold, then why do Nokia phones allow for T9 160 characters long SMS without any problem?
It's an Ericcson phone problem?
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Not likely. If you are using T9 with some national charset (other that default 7bit charset) the length of one SMS can go only up to 70 characters instead of 160.
Nokia displays your national characters as long as you write, gets 160 chars, but before sending converts the message to standard 7bit coding. You can try it - I did. |
jucame
Joined: Nov 30, 2001
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arnoldc we are talking about a bug on this ericssons that makes our sms being shorter than 70 characters sometimes we can never go to a normal 160 cha. not even when you have it as long message or short sms so sometimes we pay for more than one sms, and in 70 cha. you really can not tell to much,I used to have before my T68 with R1B and europe zone 1 language and no problem at all,now with R1C and europe zone2 lang.pack including Spanish and English this bug came out, any solution on this bug? regards. |
Jimak
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On 2002-01-05 16:01, jucame wrote:
... europe zone2 lang.pack including Spanish and English this bug came out, any solution on this bug? regards.
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Once again, it is not bug, it is intention. You want T9 in Spanish? Then your SMS is long 70 characters and the receiver can see those spanish characters as you have written them.
With Nokia you write 160 chars, send and the receiver gets something else (7bit charset).
Just try and switch the T9 to english - and you have 160 chars per SMS with T9. |
jucame
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Yes jimak you are right if you used T9 in english is ok for 160 char. but that did not happen on all my Nokias ever, so, why on Ericssons? , still do not get the idea that because I used spanish for example can not send 160 normal charac.sms,somebody has to change this on T39 and/orT68. |
Jimak
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On 2002-01-05 16:45, jucame wrote:
Yes jimak you are right if you used T9 in english is ok for 160 char. but that did not happen on all my Nokias ever, so, why on Ericssons? , still do not get the idea that because I used spanish for example can not send 160 normal charac.sms,somebody has to change this on T39 and/orT68.
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The GSM standard says that Spanish is a language requiring special charset.
For example there are "í" and "á" characters in many words. An you cannot get these with 7 bit SMS charset. What Nokia does is, when you write "indício" or "sábado" in your SMS, it will send "indicio" or "sabado", which the receiver probably doesn't mind and you think Nokia is cool.
If you send the same words from Ericsson, the receiver will get it correctly, with the interpunction. But for this you pay by getting the SMS length of 70 characters 
Maybe it makes you angry, because Spanish is close to English and you can write on english keyboard on PC without problems. But try to write some SMS in Russian/Hebrew/Greek and you will see ... |
papajohn
Joined: Jan 05, 2002
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Hello!
Well,I am from greece(and as the prv person mentioned greek language has many special chars) and I can definitely tell you whats going on with this "bug".
Well,the standart GSM chars DO include CAPITAL greek chars but NOT the small ones. What nokias do is simple. they let you write using small chars but when u send the msg the nokia phone automatically tranforms all small chars to CAPITALS and so u can send 160chars/msg. What ericssons do is that they send the msg with the small char set and as a result only 70chars/msg is possible(in some casses its better. Using capital letters all the time can be definetely annoying).
T68 is the only phone with greek T9. But it can only be used with small chars. This is the prob with T9 in ericssons. If it used capital chars there would be no prob,but it doesn't. This prob doesn't occur in english cause small english charset IS THE ONLY ONE supported by the standart GSM alphabet.
To sum up, this IS NOT A BUG. It's the T9 philosophy choosed by Ericsson.
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Posted: 2002-01-03 10:49
