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adv99576
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Please refer to this article:
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magkono
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cezwho
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which is better.....GSM network or CDMA?
hhhmmm.... |
adv99576
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it is a fact that CDMA networks are very efficient in handling frequency resources unlike GSM.
simply put, for us subscribers, it means more capacity which means lesser chances of a " network busy" situation. it also means lesser congestion WITHIN the network.
it is also another fact that CDMA networks are more secure than GSM.
no explanation needed.
and again, it is another fact that CDMA uses a better codec than GSM.
it simply means that we, the subscribers, will experience clearer voice quality and lesser noise on the background.
pahabol pa... it is a fact that CDMA will offer faster data speeds than its GSM counterpart.
it means that we will experience faster downloads of content, making it possible to make VIDEO calls (calls wherein you talk with and SEE the other person at the same time).
bottom line, CDMA offers better prospects than GSM.
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ex_crusader
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agree ako jan.. CDMA is whole lot better than GSM.. GSM's EDGE is no match to ever evolving CDMA technology...
pero, sa ngayon, di ko pa masyado kailangan yang video conference. GPS (global positioning system) is cool at yun ang gusto ko sa ngayon. there are still more services that CDMA2000 and WCDMA offer.. so watch out. |
Sony Ericsson Indonesia
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Isnt CDMA also cheaper? because in indonesia they already have it and its as cheap as a land line |
jplacson
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OMG... I can't believe this thread actually has some replies!!!!
Geez... does ANYONE know why Piltel lost the mobile wars?!?!! (And why they were bought out by Smart who was SUCKERED into buying them even though they had over $100M in debt --which they hid from Smart--) It's because they chose CDMA over GSM!!! DUH!
Ok, first the facts... CDMA is technically superior to GSM.. but that doesn't mean it's better. One thing, CDMA units do not use SIM cards. Why not? Because operators wanted control and fees for switching units, just like the older AMPS system. CDMA also doesn't have that many phone manufaturers supporting it, except for Motorola..who, surprise..surprise... also developed the system.
WCDMA and CDMA2000 are NOT backwards compatible with CDMA units... WCDMA and CDMA2000 are being built to be compatible with current GSM systems so that migration won't be to difficult for both operators and subscribers.
I think Extelcom (Express) is kinda dumb to invest (unless they bought the infrastructure from Piltel!!! HAHAHAHA) in CDMA. If you read the article, it said the ITU chose CDMA as the next 3G standard... back in 1999!!!! Man, a lot has happened since then... 3G as is, is almost dead before even being born! 2.5G hasn't even become mainstream yet... and WAP/GPRS services aren't being used by every single GSM user on the planet.
CDMA is dead. It died before it ever left Motorola's lab. To try to resurrect it is really pointless. That's like trying to bring back the 8-track.
CDMA is to GSM, like what ATRAC is to MP3... technically better, but was way too inhibiting.
CDMA is better than GSM... but unlike CDMA, GSM has evolved since those days... GSM now has extended systems... GPRS & EDGE... not to mention additional frequencies covering the 850, 900, 1800, 1900, and eGSM frequencies.
Just because something is THEORETICALLY better, that doesn't mean it will succeed in the real-world market. Cassettes are far worse than 8-tracks but they were more convenient. MP3s are horrible compared to Minidiscs... but you don't see many people with MD players vs. MP3 players.... and DVDs offer worse video quality over the older Laserdisc systems... but Laserdiscs lived a very short life before DVDs came in.
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ex_crusader
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ok ok.. no need to argue.
extelcom and piltel both flopped, not because of the kind of network they chose to operate but because of some other reasons.. uhmm... cloning maybe a reason... or it could be the big reason. or ewan ko ba.. pero we all haven't tried WCDMA or CDMA2000 yet, for us to comment this early... parang we are kinda bias kase ang alam natin now is GSM/EDGE... nonetheless.. no need to argue. we have GSM, i am a GSM user, and i think i will remain a GSM user, otherwise i prove that WCDMA or CDMA is better.
@ sony ericsson indonesia
uhmm, well, we also have CDMA networks here, yeah they are cheap, really cheap, because they use CDMAOne, a 2G (2nd generation technology). while GSM is 2.5G (OR.. perhaps they use AMPS analog system.. i don't know much about it..) |
adv99576
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agree ako kay ex_crusader, no need to argue jplacson.
but i have something to clarify about jplacson's position.
my reply is fully supported by real facts. check it out at http://www.pse.org.ph or financial statements of Smart at http://www.smart.com.ph and financial statements of PLDT at http://www.pldt.com.ph or go to http://www.cdg.org or http://www.gsmworld.com
-->Geez... does ANYONE know why Piltel lost the mobile wars?!?!! (And why they were bought out by Smart who was SUCKERED into buying them even though they had over $100M in debt --which they hid from Smart--) It's because they chose CDMA over GSM!!! DUH!
my reply:
Piltel DID NOT lose the mobile wars because OF CHOOSING CDMA. They TEMPORARILY lost the mobile wars because they incurred so much debt on their ANALOG network, and they had BAD financial managers, that's why they had no available funds to finance the upgrading of their cdmaOne network to offer text messaging and more advanced services.
So instead of totally closing down, Piltel chose an ALTERNATIVE wherein they could still provide cellular services with Text Messaging but without having to spend on upgrading the cdmaOne network. That alternative was entering into an agreement with Smart to give Piltel access to the Smart GSM network and offer a prepaid GSM service called Talk 'N Text. Better having that than having nothing at all.
---> ... One thing, CDMA units do not use SIM cards. Why not? Because operators wanted control and fees for switching units, just like the older AMPS system. CDMA also doesn't have that many phone manufaturers supporting it, except for Motorola..who, surprise..surprise... also developed the system.
my reply:
CDMA2000 developers have just introduced the R-UIM chip technology. R-UIM is CDMA2000's equivalent to GSM's SIM card. check out http://www.cdg.org for credible info.
CDMA2000 also has MANY manufacturers supporting it. Some of the names are SAMSUNG, LG Electronics, and even Nokia (on a smaller scale), aside from Motorola.
Besides, SAMSUNG's CDMA2000 phone models are for more better and more advanced than GSM/GPRS/EDGE/WCDMA handsets.
--->WCDMA and CDMA2000 are NOT backwards compatible with CDMA units... WCDMA and CDMA2000 are being built to be compatible with current GSM systems so that migration won't be to difficult for both operators and subscribers.
my reply:
CDMA2000 is FULLY BACKWARD compatible with older cdmaOne technology. This is because cdmaOne and CDMA2000 developers are one and the same. They are the ORIGINAL developers of cdma technology.
WCDMA IS NOT backward compatible with cdmaOne networks because WCDMA is a product of *GSM* developers. This is no different to a SILENT ADMISSION that cdma technology is superior to gsm technology. ika nga ng pinoy eh NANGGAGAYA lang ang gsm developers.
While CDMA2000 is developed to be compatible with BOTH cdmaOne and GSM networks, WCDMA can only be used with GSM networks. Besides, if GSM operators chose to use WCDMA, it will be a lot more EXPENSIVE for them because to build a WCDMA network is like building a totally new network. doon pa lang, talong-talo na ang WCDMA sa CDMA2000. kasi nga CDMA2000 ang *ORIG*.
--->I think Extelcom (Express) is kinda dumb to invest (unless they bought the infrastructure from Piltel!!! HAHAHAHA) in CDMA. If you read the article, it said the ITU chose CDMA as the next 3G standard... back in 1999!!!! Man, a lot has happened since then... 3G as is, is almost dead before even being born! 2.5G hasn't even become mainstream yet... and WAP/GPRS services aren't being used by every single GSM user on the planet.
my reply:
Extelcom will NEVER buy Piltel's cdmaOne infrastructure. this is a well-supported statement from a highly-place source.
It is because Extelcom will never get the infrastructure at a good price (because Piltel is obviously a competitor), and Piltel's cdmaOne network is deployed in Metro Manila only and in a few cities and highways nationwide. (hindi na nga napadami ng Piltel ang cdmaOne cellsites nila kasi nga naubusan sila ng pera dahil sa utang ng ANALOG network nila.)
the only 2.5G technology is GPRS of GSM. even then, GPRS is fast becoming mainstream for GSM users worldwide.
at kung 3G naman ang pag-uusapan, mag-focus tayo sa CDMA2000 and WCDMA. as of today, there are MORE operators using CDMA2000 than WCDMA. kasi nga, maliban sa ORIG at NAUNA, mas mura para sa mga bagong operators na mag-INSTALL ng bagong CDMA2000 network OR mag-MIGRATE to CDMA2000 (kung dati silang operator ng cdmaOne or GSM).
at sa dami ng CDMA2000 operators, halos worldwide na rin ang coverage nito (maliban sa karamihan ng european countries na hardcore supporters ng GSM).
at kung mapapansin mo, CDMA2000 operators are leaders in their respective markets. One good example is Verizon of USA. Another good sample market is South Korea na kung saan widely and successfully deployed ang mga CDMA2000 networks doon. And the CDMA2000 subscriber base in South Korea are growing more and more everyday.
--->CDMA is better than GSM... but unlike CDMA, GSM has evolved since those days... GSM now has extended systems... GPRS & EDGE... not to mention additional frequencies covering the 850, 900, 1800, 1900, and eGSM frequencies.
my reply:
And that is where GSM's INEFFICIENCY lies. GSM (particularly WCDMA) will need NEW and ADDITIONAL frequencies. Radio Spectrum and Frequency are SCARCE resources. Sa tagalog, MAGASTOS ang GSM and WCDMA in terms of frequency use.
Doon panalo ang cdmaOne and CDMA2000 dahil EFFICIENT ang paggamit nito ng frequency. Mas malaki pa ang CAPACITY.
--->Just because something is THEORETICALLY better, that doesn't mean it will succeed in the real-world market. ...
my reply:
As i've said earlier, if we focus on the 3G technologies (CDMA2000 and EDGE/WCDMA) and its number of users worldwide, there are far MORE CDMA2000 users than EDGE/WCDMA combined.
Successful nga ang GSM developers sa 2G and 2.5G, pero kung 3G na ang pag-uusapan, natuto na ang CDMA developers at ngayon, bumabawi na sila.
3G users will definitely increase everyday, dahil wala naman tayong ibang pupuntahan, right?
But it is obvious that CDMA2000 had a good headstart in the 3G competition, and you can just see how the GSM developers are trying very hard to mimic it with WCDMA.
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for everyone, my bottom line is:
It is much better if we read every fact and compare it OBJECTIVELY.
I know that setting aside personal biases are very hard to do. I understand.
What I just have is a FORWARD-DIRECTION Outlook and I don't tend to dwell on past figures, cos once it happens, it happened. And if there was a mistake, then LEARN from it and turn it to your advantage.
I don't want to be a "convincer" because I respect everyone's right to their own OPINIONS.
What I'm trying to present are the FACTS.
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ex_crusader
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@ adv99576
wow.. grabe, bilib talaga ako sayo... tama naman pala yung ibang mga sinabi ko. dami ko nang natutuhan sayo ah.. anyway, bata pa naman ako, i'd still learn more.  |
techboy69
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Hay naku, basta ako i want a cellular service provider that doesn't block wapsites. Nawalan na nga ako ng gana bumili ng bagong phone kc wala ka naman mapuntahan na wapsite na gusto mo. |
adv99576
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@ techboy
kung gusto mo ng service provider na FULL ACCESS at walang bina-block, mag TALK N TEXT ka kung prepaid ang gusto mo or mag ADDICT MOBILE ka kung postpaid naman ang gusto mo.
ang kapalit nun, Php0.25/kb charge. yun na ang pinakamurang provider na makukuha mo na FULL ACCESS at stable connection sa ngayon.
pero kapag nandyan na ang bagong CDMA2000 network ng Express Telecom, asahan mo na mas mabilis at mas advanced pa ang mga Internet-capable phones nila.
hayaan mo, makakarating sa Express Telecom ang request mo na FULL ACCESS and NO BLOCKING of sites. ako bahala... =)
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d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
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@galing mo mag paliwanag adv
great info at tama ka dun na Verizon usa ang no. 1 network (with more subscribers pa) dito sa tate at hindi cingular o t-mobile na parehong GSM which both their services really sucks. kaya nga america's most reliable network ang Verizon dito thaks in part sa gamit nilang tech. |
boysaint
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interesting ....and informative arguments there. but as j.p.lacson said.... let's see how it translate to real situation, here in the Philippines. |
adv99576
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i agree.
unlike the latest entrant in the cellular industry, there is not even any guarantee that Express Telecom's CDMA2000 network will be of nationwide coverage at launch date (which is yet to be announced). remember that they currently have an analog network, so it is most likely that CDMA2000 coverage will only be INITIALLY available at Metro Manila and selected cities, so if you go outside the CDMA coverage, you can still fall back to analog signal.
so, don't expect too much, so you will not be disappointed.
but one thing is for sure, the technology is far more advanced, and if we, the subscribers, are going to give Express Telecom a chance, we might get to enjoy better services at a better price. it will not be totally fool-proof but if we help them help us, then we might see a network operator who really works for its customers, and vice-versa.
You see, the advantages of a CDMA2000 network versus any Philippine GSM network lies in its high-speed transmission of data over the network.
If you are someone who just sends text messages or makes voice calls more often, then you might not immediately notice any difference.
But if you are someone who always surfs the net using your mobile phone, or sends MMS messages frequently, or likes to download multimedia content to your phone, then the new CDMA2000 network can offer you improved and faster delivery of services.
Especially if you are not much of a traveler and usually stays around Metro Manila or in any first-class city here in the Philippines, you might want to wait for Extelcom's CDMA2000 network and then be one of the first to avail of their new digital services.
Although already in the business for more than 14 years now, Extelcom as an operator will not be spared by problems related to their new network since it will be as if they are going to start anew. But with proper patience and constructive support from prospective subscribers, they can use this to further improve the network until it is perfected.
anyway, my bottom line is that no network can be 100% perfect at time of launch, but if we don't expect too much and we get to support their new network, then we help them further improve it, which in turn helps us back as subscribers.
the only thing that you should expect is tighter competition, but rest assured that technologically-wise, Extelcom will have a better advantage over its competitors.
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