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The mms upgrade : Which WAP version does it have ? |
Killerturtle
Joined: Apr 22, 2002
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I'm into building internet / WAP sites,
so I really like to know which WAP version is included in the
holy T68 upgrade ...? |
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jh67
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Well, the T68i have wap 2.0,...so I guess that the mms-upgrade will feature an upgrade of the wap too from 1.2.1. to 2.0.
But I'm not sure about this. I dont know for sure, if this is possible with only a software-upgrades.
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ElGato
Joined: Nov 27, 2001
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Doesn't look like it...=/ |
john74
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el gato does that mean that your T68m with mms doesnt have the wap 2.0 version???  |
hampe
Joined: Feb 23, 2002
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Whats the difference between wap 1.2.1 and wap 2.0? How sure are you Elgato, that you dont have 2.0, what thing indicate that you dont got 2.0?
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jh67
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You can try out an Xhtml site like e.g. Christersson.xhtml on the wap. If it does work, you have wap 2.0,..if not, then you have the 1.2.1.
I think thats probably what Elgato did.
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juming
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Yes jh67, that what Elgato try, and when I try with my T68i also working normally, so in this case, software maybe same (R2B025) but WAP 2.0 feature not included when T68m being flashed by Computer on SE service point, this not because SE service point's person don't want to give it, but the Flasher equipment decided automatically based on product number (T68m is 1130201 and T68i is 1130202).
And the reason like previously already discussed, it may because space problem, that's why FAQ on SonyEricsson site about what is T68m can get when MMS software is come not mentioning WAP 2.0 as one of the upgrade feature. |
apaman
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And the reason like previously already discussed, it may because space problem, that's why FAQ on SonyEricsson site about what is T68m can get when MMS software is come not mentioning WAP 2.0 as one of the upgrade feature.
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Why the site and everyone confirms that the memory is the same there has to be a financial or business reason for not implementing it I think the phones are identical
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n|ck_xp
Joined: Feb 16, 2002
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E guys...
Why i think the MMS update is going to update from wap 1.2 to wap 2.0???
I think this is gonna happend...
Explain why you think something else???
[ This Message was edited by: n|ck_xp on 2002-04-24 03:03 ] |
ionur
Joined: Jan 10, 2002
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Doesn't SE claim that both phones will have the same functionality after the T68m gets the MMS upgrade? I think the MMS upgrade must include WAP 2.0 so that both phones will be the same. |
juming
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Why the upgrade not incoporate WAP 2.0 feature ? Probably because:
1. It's Marketing strategy;
2. Phone cannot hold all data to it's storage;
For reason number 2 seems like phone has different memory size, in fact both has exactly same memory, so maybe the explanation like this:
Just imagine your phone like your PC's BIOS, and you know when you upgrade your BIOS is simply to flash the phone, but do you know that not all Flash area is updated ? There is some small part area that not Flashable, the reason this one is the 'file system' area of the BIOS, so you cannot flash it, otherwise you will have dead mother board.
In T68m, maybe the case is almost same, since the memory management between T68m and T68i software is different (T68i using new dynamic shared memory), so in this case you can imagine that the 'core' is different, and unfortunately you cannot update the 'core' part (because it's the one who responsible to handling flashing sequence), then you must sacrifice this part to be not used on new system, so new software can be flashed to old system with making new memory system that lay in old system, this make the room more smaller cause old system cannot be deleted, and the difference with T68i, because it's already using new system.
For real example maybe like this, software has 1 MB in size, and the Flash ROM have 1,2 MB, but since 200 KB used for file system then only 1 MB can be used. For T68i which already have same system, it need only to inject to rest 1 MB space with it's software, but for T68m which using old system, it need to get new basic layer, that unfortunately cannot done by overwriting the system, so it will add about 200 KB on it's 1 MB space for system, leaving only 800 KB for software, so since space is not possible to inject all software to it then it sacrifice the WAP 2.0 part.
All above is my conclusion based on reading some statement from many party including SE FAQ and I try to conclude why it's not incorporate WAP 2.0, in case above both phone equiped with same 1,2 MB Flash ROM hardware, but the one can using it fully (T68i) and the other not (T68m).
Any correction and comment is welcome, since all above is my only my conclusion. |
wapmanse
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Hello Juming,
I think you may have a point here. However I found out that you can upgrade the "rom memmory" of the mobile but by using another cabel between phone and the PC than the one they have at the sevice point. I think that this may also explain why they were not ready to release the upgrade when the sw was ready to release in the T68I. SE needs a program to flash onto to the old t68m sw which "internally" changes the memmory management system in the "rom memmory" (as for the r380 conversion) and when that operation is completed you can flash the T68I "application" on to the phone. If you know somedbody who works at SE phone development they would probably be able to flash first the PDF file (product definition file) into the phone (using the lab equipment) and after that flash the T68I application program onto the phone (from EMMAII).
I am convinced that the programs will be identical for the T68I and the updated T68m because otherwise SE would have to maintain two program versions and that is not rational at all for the same HW base.
Just my speculations, comments are welcome of course.
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Gustaf
Joined: Dec 07, 2001
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I e-mailed  about the 2.0WAP. They said that because the upgrade will make the T68m=T68i it will also contain wap 2.0. |
Da_WiZ
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wapmanse: I think you are right, I read about the conversion that will make the "m" identical to the "i". For one, the reason the menus and the T9 will be faster is that the file system will be updated (This i read at the swedish site: www.mobil.se) and i assume it will be identical to T68i. Cause, why change file system to a diffrent one from the "i"?
Second, at the SE faq section they say that the T68m will be identical to T68i after the conversion, and i don't think SE would make such a fatal mistake saying that they will be identical and forget about the wap version.
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wapmanse
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I think SE means that wap is not new in the upgraded t68m since you have got wap in the "old" t68m too. They just think that people will not be interrested about the revision for the Wap stack.
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Posted: 2002-04-23 21:00
