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gaspedalo
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I want to use bluetooth signal power values as a parameter that navigates webpages though java script. Does anyone know how to access the signal power? Is there a tool, a program or something that does that? I believe it must be read out of the driver on PC. Or is there a possibility to read it out of the mobile phone? I use the SE T610 and the Toshiba Bluetooth Stack on Notebook.
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Aussie Blue Boy
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I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, are you trying to 'remote-control' your PC from your phone?
If so there are other threads here on that; I think one is the christersson.org product; I've been using the 'Baracoda' one.
Try also Mobile Navigator (muxe.com) which shows full list of AT commands for appropriate S-E and Siemens handsets.
BTW, I've just got a Toshiba Portege3500 Tablet with the bluetooth module and I have a T68i - I can't do any transferring between the phone and PC !! Can you?
If so please help...
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gaspedalo
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I will have a look at Mobile Navigator. Thanks for that. What I want is something like PCConnect with enabling my own script. I use PhoneFront which has the possibility to implement scripts or code. I'd like to make a kind of presentation where the distance of myself to the PC is changing things on screen (like for example font size of a webpage). Therefor I would need a program that outputs values for bluetooth signal power into a text file. The outputting should not be the problem, but the deriving of the data is.
I use toshiba satellite 5100-501. I installed the Toshiba Bluetooth Stack V2.0 and everything works perfectly (synchronizing, file transfer, phonefront, modem, mobile agent, fax...). Just the Christersson Programs have problems... I don't know why..
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Aussie Blue Boy
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Thanks for your response (& invitation).
BTW the Mob.Nav. has a screen that shows signal strength fluctuations ( I am curious as to why you would use this approach in a presentation though; I'm a lateral thinker myself and actually sell communications solutions with some quite innovative applications so you do have me wondering...)
My setup is Toshiba Tablet (40Gb HDD,1.3Ghz P-M111, 384Mb RAM), Win XP Pro,Toshiba on-board BlueTooth module, Toshiba "BlueTooth Service Centre" s/w ver. 2.00.01
I have had a Belkin BT dongle working just fine on my previous 98SE based machine;
I was able to...
-send pics, sound files, v-card, v-calender, print sms from my T68i all by just choosing the 'Send' via 'BlueTooth' option in any menu on the phone.
- transfer the above items from the PC by just dragging them & dropping onto the Belkin BlueTooth "INBOX" icon listed in my T68i services on the PC.
- click on a GPRS connection shortcut and immediately (5 secs) be connected to Web/ or pop3 server
- sync with XTEND PC (of a fashion)
- sync with Mobile Navigator (which sucked out all my SMS's and Call Records by the way - good for back-up)
On the Toshiba - I get none of the above.
The two seem to discover each other for pairing purposes and I can set up a Serial connection but I didn't have to do that before with the Belkin and is doesn't allow me to do any of the above stuff except I'm finally getting to setup a GPRS link via Com-1 Serial... but it's a two stage thing:
...first make the Com-1 connection in the Toshiba BT window, then click on my GPRS connection.
The Tosh. s/w has a "Voice Gateway" icon which I didn't have before with Belkin and I'm not sure how I can use this.
Finally there's no "INBOX" icon but there is a OBEX Object Push icon; this and the IrMC sync, and the Voice Gateway do absolutely nothing when I click on them.
The serial connection is useless for transferring anything because the T68i shows BlueTooth as unavailable when it is on.
Hope this can give you an idea which may help me...
BTW- I take it software is not transferable from one device to another, my Belkin s/w doesn't want to know the Tosh. h/w and I can't even get the dongle to work on my new machine either. |
gaspedalo
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I've tried Mobile Navigator. unfortunatly what you have seen is the signal power of the cellphone to its acces point, not the bluetooth signal
What I need it for.. I am writing on my diploma of architecture. My project is concerned about the connection of architecture an telecommunications. At the presentation of my diploma I want to explain local awareness and personalisation using my mobile and the Notebook which will be beamed. So I can show the relationship of location and space. Thats the idea.
To your problem: It seams like you have the same system configuration like me. So you could say it all should work the same way. I could not find a problem in what you were describing, but you did not mention to have the SE Communication Suite installed. Espescially the Mobile Phone Monitor is important.
In my case I made it as followed:
In Bluetooth Manager I installed Serial 1 on COM5 and Serial 2 on COM6. Both of them are set to communicate automatically (this is important). Com5 and COM6 are then automatically reserved in BLUETOOTH LOCAL COM.
Then I open PHONE MONITOR, which should have found the mobile. If it doesnot, switch off and on the phone while PHONE MONITOR is opened (this often is the clou). When Phone and Sim are registered by Phone Monitor enter COM5 and COM6 as activated (5 and 6 in my case). That means that they will be searched by the programs.
And thats it. When you open XTended Connect the Serial Port will connect automatically and synchronisation will begin (after a while
On Desktop should appear the bluetooth Logo. If it does you can send any file to phone by RIGHTCLICK/BLUETOOTH. And you will find a bluetooth folder in Windows Explorer. There you can see the Files from the phone.
If this all does not work, open Bluetooth Service Center. Somewhere there you can chek the phone as a trusted device. Maybe that is a possible failure. I don't know.
I hope that helps. Have fun,
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Aussie Blue Boy
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Hi Daniel,
your project sounds interesting and intriguing; any success?
If you can't do it by the 'distance' approach can you still achieve an outcome whereby the remote control function of say Baracoda 'simulates' what you're trying to say to your audience?
When is your presentation due?
BTW, thanks for your help! Not solved yet, but your advice made me realise that my S-E supplied CD-Rom (May '03) is already out of date.
I hadn't seen the wizard before I downloaded a fresh version of MPM.
I've been able to do email/web via GPRS now (still using a standard 28000kps modem though, via Com1) and can now fax (same way).
However, in both cases I still have to deliberately create a connection in the Toshiba Bluetooth Manager screen.
This is unlike my earlier Belkin experience where the connections were all automatic.
MPM sys-tray icon only appears when I launch S-E 'dial ukp networking' wizard, this wizard still won't recognise my phone (although MPM now has) so it doesn't give me the option to click 'OK'.
I don't know what happens if I could get to click 'OK' but when I exit, the MPM icon disappears -even if the MPM window is still open!!
The phone is paired in the Tosh. window but...
... I don't have ANY 'My Bluetooth Places' or 'My Bluetooth Neighbourhood' folders like I did with the Belkin!!
Am I supposed to have these in addition to the Toshiba BT window??
Are you able to just 'send' via BT from your phone to achieve a transfer to PC without creating any connections on your PC? ( ie. is it automatic/phone inititated-controlled?)
Sorry to be such a drag when I haven't been able to help you, but you seem to be rare in having a similar config to myself!
P.S. have you had a look at the 'Tablet' products? They're fantastic!
Aussie Blue
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gaspedalo
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Hi,
No unfortunately no succses with distance measuring through BT signal. The guys of phone front told me that I must get the info out of the BT Driver, so I have to get in contact with toshiba, but i have not contacted them yet. Presentation is in the end of november.
To your problem. It is really hard to say what is going wrong. You manage to get a modem connection, but aniything else does not work?!? Sounds really strange. In my case after updating to Bluetooth Stack 2.0 everythings ok. As soon as I activate Bluetooth and Bluetooth manager on PC, and Bluetooth on my Mobile, an BT Icon appears on my Desktop. This is a link to Bluetooth Neighbourhood in the Win-Explorer. Like a removeable device. There I can up- and download files. Otherwise I can command to upload a file with the mobile. Further there is an option in rightclick menu to upload stuff. But this all (like Modem Connections) have nothing to do with the mpm (i guess).
Sending without connection is not possible. But once the connection is adjusted, it will always connect automatically when both devices are switched on BT.
Do not mess with the profiles in Bluetooth Service Center! Just use one until everything works fine.
I am sorry, but I don't know what else I can tell you 
Good Luck
Daniel |
Aussie Blue Boy
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No, mate - you've been terrific.
I definitely don't have any Bluetooth icons except for the little aerial/antenna symbol for Tosh. 'Service Centre' that appears in the sys-tray.
I assume your talking about the Bluetooth 'B' logo symbol...
No 'My Bluetooth Places' or anything like it.
I used to have it with the Belkin & '98 2nd ed. combo but haven't seen it since.
I'm waiting for Toshiba to get back to me too.
If you want some lateral thinking/brainstorming on your project - just holler (unless you have to do it only the way you've described)
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gaspedalo
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The Icon that appears looks like the Bluetooth antenna with several streeks surrounding it.
Are somehow concerned about Architecture and Tlecommunications? Or are you just interested in the technical stuff of the presentation? |
Aussie Blue Boy
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Both.
As I've said earlier, l deal with lots of lateral thinking approaches to telecommunications generally, plus in configuring solutions everyday that are usually framed by or effected by geographic (architectural) design / factors (thus leading to a dichotomy between fixed line and cordless telephony responses ), l am thus curious about different perspectives on this relationship.
We recently had to contend with 3 x "Bluestone'' buildings 'side-by side' with 3 floors each, all being inter-connected in a residential /private study complex.
Data & phone requirements mean extensive and expensive cabling needs with even "Wi-fi" transmitters still needing to be wired via the "unforgiving" bluestone.
Consequently, even 'LAN-over-AC power' is being considered.
Yes, also, a technical fix for your problem would be interesting.
You might find the following pages worthwhile in terms of Bluetooth technical parameters:
http://www.swedetrack.com/usblue4.htm
http://www.swedetrack.com/usblue1.htm
BTW : l hadn't been shipped with the right BT protocol stack on my Tablet! I got directed to the patch for the Tecra S-1 (the Tablet version on their WEB site was still the old one!)
Since then everything's been fine!
l have full functionality at last: GPRS email and web, OBEX, fax.
Haven't got xTND PC working yet but the other stuff took hours to actually configure correctly (and I have to sleep sometime!)
Also, the local Toshiba guys tell me the audio-headset profile isn' t supported yet -but they're working on it...
I've finally got the full "mobile office" happening, as I've also picked up a HP 450cbi battery powered color-printer and a Canon LlDE-30 USB powered scanner. The HP is supposed to enable the inclusion of a Compact Flash-based BT interface:- I'm just hoping the Tablet will support it.
Your should see people's faces when I write everything up on screen and then go and get them a print-out from my car!
P.S. Thankyou Daniel for your help: your comment regarding BlueTooth Places made me realise that I hadn't seen anything similar since my Belkin/Win98 combo, so I pushed Toshiba a bit harder and hey presto!
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