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Why I sold my P800... |
loobian
Joined: Jan 25, 2003
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Hi all!
4 months ago I bought P800 and thought that I will use this phone at least for 1-2 years. Now, I sold it. Let me explain why, so that other 'future-buyers' can decide better before they buy!
First, the phone is really wonderful! But not for me... Let me explain its cons:
1) The biggest problem is the memory- SE made very big mistake in my mind, by limiting the phone to MSD only, but not Flash or SD slots. There 128MB memory costs 100$... for 100$ I can buy 512MB Flash card here! Also, if I buy MSD for 100$, what could I do with it when I sell my P800? The answer is- NOTHING! I can't sell it easy, nor I can use it for other device different from Sony... so, having this MSD I kind of merry about Sony... I don't like that!
2) The CPU is quite slow- 200MHz is not much, if you are going to use it to watch movies or something like that... but having in mind that you have very limited memory, watching movies becomes impossible.
3) The display is only 4096 colors but not 65k
4) Big problem too- Symbian!! I don't mind Symbian at all...it's very nice, but there is not so much software for Symbian, as there is for Pocket PCs for example!
5) SE has the worst support I've ever seen... it just sucks!
That's it generally... I am fan of SE and will remain such! I am buing Fujitsu LOOX + T68i... and when I save some more money, I will replce the T68i with T610...
P800 is just not for me, because the Pocket PC is MUCH MUCH more powerful...
Anways, for many people P800 is optimal solution! But don't forget about the memory...
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Nickman
Joined: Feb 14, 2002
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> 1) The biggest problem is the memory- SE made very big mistake in my mind, by limiting the phone to MSD only.
That is true.. But not suprising.
> 2) The CPU is quite slow- 200MHz is not much.
What ?!? Tell me a phone that has a higher value.
I think the P800 is a quick and responsive phone.
> 3) The display is only 4096 colors but not 65k
Come ON! With that size on the display it doesn't mattar that much. Those numbers are just "show off" numbers. 4096 i enough. (Use less battery and so on)
> 4) Big problem too- Symbian!! I don't mind Symbian at all...it's very nice, but there is not so much software for Symbian, as there is for Pocket PCs for example!
Now this is the biggest joke yet! Pocket PC ? Big, slow, and bloated! No thanks.
> 5) SE has the worst support I've ever seen... it just sucks!
This i can't comment on. I have never used support for anything in my whole life yet. Once i send a mail asking what the newest firmware was on the T68i that i owned. I got a reply the nex day. Not that bad.
Well i for one LOVE my P800 and will not change until maybe the 810/900 come out. (Depends on what's new)
Edit: Forgot to add that i have owned my p800 for 8 months.
[ This Message was edited by: Nickman on 2003-07-21 19:45 ] |
loobian
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Nickman,the Pocket PC I am buying is 400MHz XScale Intel processor, 32MB ROM + 64 RAM, 65k display, 1500mAh battery, bluetooth, SD and Flast I and II slot, IrDA and so on... it's much more powerful than P800 and noone can argue that... but it does not have built in cell phone...
So, to be honest, P800 is very far from the power that Pocket PC has...
I too LOVE it, but it's just not for me... if I didn't use to for entertain so much, I'd keep it...
P.S. There is Age of Empires for Pocket PC... I LOVE that game! Yepeee!:)))
So, don't take me wrong, I don't want to say anything bad about P800- I LOVE P800 and I think it is the best cell phone ever made, but it is just not for everyone... some people like me, prefere Pocket PC/Palm + cell phone... and Pocket PC + t68i is great combination 
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P800_Zen_master
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Hmmm....
1) The biggest problem is the memory- SE made very big mistake in my mind, by limiting the phone to MSD only, but not Flash or SD slots.
MSD is so much faster then the other cards! I think almost twice as fast but dont quote me on that!
Its your fault none of your other devices are not compatible! I have a sony laptop!, I use my MSD in that! I have a sony Camara, I use my MSD in that also! One day Sony will win the portable media market!! Because sony is the biggest and largest eletro company i the world!!!! Also there are tv, computers, many different companies in japan are using the same media! Also the new pro! will turn a few companies on because of the speed of it! So other companies would like that and you can use your MSD in those devices and one day with a patch you can buy a pro MSD for your phone!
2) The CPU is quite slow- 200MHz is not much
stop you are making me laugh!!!! I am not going to comment!
3) The display is only 4096 colors but not 65k
Not a huge diff in the two apart from battery loss!
4) Big problem too- Symbian!!
your making me laugh again!
5) SE has the worst support I've ever seen... it just sucks!
Never had to use it!
This P800 rocks!!!
You cant compare chalk and cheese!
The pocket thing you are buying might be faster and etc...... but its not a phone! Just like what you said!
But you are correct, its not for you! But I believe the 5 points you have listed are no valid
[ This Message was edited by: P800_Zen_master on 2003-07-21 19:57 ] |
loobian
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I see very limited visions here... people, don't make yourself look like fools!
First, regarding the CPU speed- 200MHz is not much... you can't record 640x480 30 frames per second, can you? You can't play 30fps movies, can you? You can't play really quality 3D games, can you? When I was reading PDF files, I had to wait a lot until the scroll moves the text.. with 400MHz CPU this won't happen!
Regarding Symbian- it's more stable than Windows, no argue here, but there is not much software for it... it's not like the Pocket PCs...! And don't talk before you've checked, okay?
About the display- yes, there is huge difference! Especially when you try to watch movies...
About the MSD- I am not sure about its speed, but all I can say is that 128MB is not much! Also, I say again, and this time READ before you post- I DO NOT WANT TO MARRY SONY!!! What you say is that this Sony thing can use it, that Sony thing can use it... but what about other devices? World is not limited to Sony, right? Also, sony has very limited range of Handhelds, and all of them- not very good, and the only one that is good is 800$ + it's CPU is 200MHz and it has 16MB RAM... shame for Sony! |
spike731
Joined: Jul 18, 2002
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I annoys me so much when people defend huge money grabbing corporations like they were blood brothers or something!, why do people have to be like that?. I am an unbiased observer (I own Sony mobiles but smartphones and pocket pc's are not my thing) and it seemed to me that some of his points were entirely valid.
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rmarinheira
Joined: Jul 21, 2003
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Loobian:
Correct me if I'm wrong but you've never used any kind of pocket pc, haven't you??
I used to have a T68i+Pocket Loox, and let me tell you a few things:
1 - The display sucks ! 65k colors in Pocket loos look a lot worse than 4096 in P800!
2 - The 400 MHz Xscale processor is a joke! Soooo much slower than P800 (i've used my pocket loox for one year approx.)
3 - Pocket PC reminds me Wiindows ME - a crap! Slower than never, applications are horrendous, and character recognition is centuries away from Symbian!
I think you made the worst decision concerning to this subjsct!
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loobian
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Hi!
I have not used the LOOX yet...
You are surprising me very much, as before I made this decision (to buy it) I did read A LOT of reviews, and they were fascinating... the LOOX seems very good PDA according to these reviews...
About char recognition- dunno... I don't like P800s, but don't know what LOOX's will be...
About the speed- I really cannot belive that 400MHz Intel is slower than this 200MHz AMR processor!
Please, give examples...
And one question- can I use the SMSing program, to sync SMSes via bluettoth with the T68i?
P.S. WHat did you not like about LOOXs display? It looks much better than P800s...
Thanks!
[ This Message was edited by: loobian on 2003-07-21 20:48 ] |
ppcrockar
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AFAIK a 400Mhz Xscale isn't twice as fast as a 200Mhz ARM. In fact without software optimizations for the Xscale the 400Mhz is almost equal to 200Mhz. With optimizations you gain roughly 20-60% compared to the 200Mhz ARM. Remember clock frequency isn't everything, in fact clock frequency doesn't say much at all. PocketPC OS isn't exactly a speed demon... rather the opposite.
Sure SD-cards have the advantages of being widely available, cheaper, and exists in larger sizes. But Memorystick Duo has a clear speed advantage. That is way there is almost no difference in speed if you use the memorystick or the internal P800 memory. If I remeber correctly Memorystick Duo has a transfer rate of 18MB/s,I could be wrong though... my memory isn't that great.. or maybe I've overloaded my own memory bandwidth
And I believe that SD-cards has a transfer rate of 3MB/s, but I think there are some new revisions of SD-cards that can handle 10MB/s.
When talking on the subject of memory, SymbianOS uses a lot less memory compared to the bloated M$ PocketPC. SymbianOS and the Symbian programs are more like PalmOS when it comes to memory usage. Most PocketPC's has 32MB or 64MB built-in and you can probably do more on the P800 with just the internal 12MB.
Another thing you forgot is the battery performance. The P800 last for quite some time even with the GSM radio turned on. But PocketPC's has lousy battery performance partly due to the screens but also to the fact that PocketPC eats more resources and more energy.
Besides I don't really see the point of watching videos on a handheld device. Hardly enjoyable IMHO, but for some persons that seems to be the most important thing.
[ This Message was edited by: ppcrockar on 2003-07-21 20:51 ] |
rmarinheira
Joined: Jul 21, 2003
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Hi Loobian!
I'm really really sorry to disappoint you, but I've read very good reviews about Loox (almost 1,5 year ago) and after I used it for one year!
Xscale processor it's a shame! Quite slower than P800 even while moving around PocketPC Menus!
Those reviews you've read are quite old, haven't you realised??
You can syn SMS, but it doesn't work that well!
Take my examples: I've used both, so I can say what I'm saying...
You'll see, and then you'll realize I'm not as wrong as you think I am!
Ricardo
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loobian
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Hi!
I agree to you about the fact that Symbian is better than MS... what I say in this regard is that why do I keep Symbian if there is no software for it? Well, yes there is software for it, but it is not as much as for MS... just MS is more popular and older I think... and what I mostly need is software.
What I use PDA for is- ENTERTAIMENT! I work a lot, and do not have much free time, but the free time I have- I really want to enjoy... I bought P800 for exactly that reason... but it did not satisfy it  Now, I hope LOOX will...
About the movies- I love watching movies... and watching it in unusual way is something like adventure for me... I am just this kind of person... also, I like Handhelds and Cell phones a lot, so it's pleasure for me to buy new devices Let's see what will come out
rmarinheira- dunno how old the reviews are...
Well, can you recommend me some Pocket PC that you belive is good? But it must have bluetooth (100% required).
Thanks!
P.S. Here is a new review- 1 month old:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/Jul03/loox.asp
and it's damn good! wow! I am so excited in getting this LOOX!
[ This Message was edited by: loobian on 2003-07-21 21:06 ] |
rmarinheira
Joined: Jul 21, 2003
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Errrr....
Is that your main reason for moving to Loox+T68i?
Let me say that it isn't that different!
Regarding to movies... what you need is a portabel DVD player, mate!
I think you sold your P800 because its lack of entertainment aplications, without knowing that Pocket PC isn't that much developed...
Really...
As for PC I'm a Microsoft user, and I just say that windows platform just rocks...
But after trying Symbian, after one year of pocket PC I'm surrended to the evidences....
I've no further to say...
Best Regards
Ricardo
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loobian
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Yup..that's the reason... I just want entertainment that P800 can't give me for now...
I want to watch movies, I want to play games... such stuff- relaxing stuff (relaxing for me at least).
P800 was very poor on games, and it was 100% impossible to watch movie
I hope it will be different with the LOOX...
P.S. I am very interested in this SMS thing... could you please tell me:
1) Can I type SMS on the LOOX and send it via bluetooth to my T68i and the T68i to send it to specified number?
2) Why is the sync not good?
Thanks a lot!
Ilia Yordanov,
www.cpp-home.com - C++ Resources
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rmarinheira
Joined: Jul 21, 2003
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Yes, you can send SMS like that, but don't expect bluetooth to work as smooth as in P800.
Syncing has just toó much problems...
I never had it working 100%!´
One of the most visible problems of Loox is that in spite of the screen is somewhat bigger tha P800, menus and graphics are quite large, so display active area is quite smaller (if I seem a little confuse just use it and see ywith your own eyes)
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loobian
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Hi!
Thanks for the info...
Actually, the size is + for me...
But I can't understand- why do you not like the screen?What is so bad about it?
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