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Forget about video recording on P800 |
daloon
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I've been reading this forum for quite some time and can't help but notice how many ppl nag about this non-existent app.
Here's my opinion, for what it's worth. 
I wont get technical but if you just disregard the fact that the cam on the phone has a quite lousy picture quality, consider that it takes several seconds for the phone to store ONE single picture at the lowest quality / resolution of which you need atleast 10-15 PER SEC to get a sort of fluid video. In addition there are some other calcualtions that has to be done on the fly that are not needed when shooting one and one pic and that would slow the process further. You'd get a bad slideshow at best and I guess that's the reason the SE dind't include this in the 1st place.
If you *really* need this functionality then get the cheapest dig cam you can find that can record vids. Your P800 can still do MUCH more than a comparable Nokia |
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Air
Joined: Jun 11, 2003
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and if you do get a cheap digi cam and you MUST have the movies you make on your P800 then its not very difficult to capture it to your PC, mp4 the files and stick it on your P800! |
ami6
Joined: Aug 20, 2002
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hi, indeed we had this discussion before - but the Camcoder sample was proving that "something" nice is possible.
When the focus on recording eg. would be towards person-2-person communication, then preparing a lil "MMS- video" would be fully sufficient to tell my friend something like "watch this, isnt it cute?" and attaching my 10sec. 80kB MP4 movie to it.
It is not about recording minutes or hours. Most p800 users wouldnt have bigger MS DUO but live with that stick capacity as sold with the device (not every p800 user is a "power user" as many n this forum - and, i also would favour more smaller videos compared to a big one...
lil videos for person to person communication will come. they will make the most traffic between devices, like sms and mms already do today. "content-2-person", i.e. news broadcast, infotainment etc. will be less important to my opinion.
and, its like in a normal tv advertisement: you can try to sell your product resp. convince people to buy it within the first 10-20 secs. - but 1 minute is too long...
My $0.01
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njabe567
Joined: May 05, 2003
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as long as there is hope I can't forget about recording..i mean if I had the knowledge to I would write the program my-self I don't care if it takes 3 weeks of no sleeping...but I still have hope...without hope what would we live for |
daloon
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Hope is important, i totaly agree and having such an app would of course be cool and useful. But what i'm trying to say is that the phone doesn't seem to be capable for that specific task. The 80kb mp4 that was posted here doesn't prove anything until the real app shows up. I could make a similar recording with no probs, using a tiny cam beneath / near the phone. You'd never notice it..
I'm just saying that there are other existing solutions that will let you do this same thing, a bit more time consuming but far better result in all aspects. |
yusufl
Joined: Dec 13, 2002
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Hey Daalon
The P800 is more than capable. if the 7650 can do it so can p800, I won't go into the technical details but it can be done only a matter of time. So stop crushing peoples hopes
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mbailey
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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Of course it can be done. Look at some of the high-powered things that the P800 can already do:
1. Play back video and also show live video through the Camera app
2. Play Doom (throwing a lot of video around)
3. Record sound
4. Play back wav and mp3 files (requires compresson/decompression)
You only have to compare the technical specs of the two phones to know that the P800 is superior (not that there's anything wrong with the Nokia, for that matter).
The P800 was a first generation smart phone, whereas the Nokia is a phone with a video app. Nokia had less to get right on release. SE had a lot more to deal with. Look at the number of apps that are already available or currently in beta.
The same applies to any technology. Playstation games were OK when the console launched, but compare them with titles launched today and you will see a stark difference - this is because programmers have learnt how to get more out of the hardware.
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daloon
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The phone it self is more than powerful enough but i'm not sure that the memory interface is. Why does it take that long to store one picture of som Kays? Is there a purpose? It also takes time to open aplications that are tiny, and that's from RAM! On another device even a HD would be quicker. I'm sure this would have been optimised by SE if only possible.... Lets face it, the access time is way too slow.. the execution time is exellent though!
I've used other pda's so i'm not only guessing, and i do still love my P800. :) Just trying to be realistic here |
ShaneMcFarland
Joined: Apr 22, 2003
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Who ever said that its taking the entire "paused" time to actually store the picture. Every digital camera leaves the picture taken on the screen for a second or two, why would the P800 be ANY different? |
daloon
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Because on my phone that time varies noticeably with different resolution. It doesn't seem to be preset. But of course if the resolution is small enough it could come down to an acceptable delay.. Not sure how visible the contents would be though.
Don't get me wrong. I wish this app will come, i'm just not overexited, and i've tried to explain my reason. |
mbailey
Joined: Apr 02, 2003
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Exactly - the higher the res the longer it will take to store, but I suspect movies are going to be low res anyway. I cannot see it recording at even 320x240. Therefore with the compression taken care of by the fast CPU I see no reason why it cannot write the relatively small amounts of data to the memory stick (or internal memory) |
daloon
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Let's hope it's worth to wait for.. Personally I'd appreciate more a video player that supported several formats like .avi and regular .mpg which most non mobile devices use.
I wonder whether there is one? |
AlanJC
Joined: Dec 29, 2002
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It's very possible to create an app like this, just as one already exists on the 7650, and 3750 (whatever the hell it is, the bug ugly freak nokia). |
sam12
Joined: May 27, 2003
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It will be possible, trust me..........
a 3rd party application is on its way............ |
lectrosoul
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Here's the way i see it my first smartphone was 7650 then 3650 then in the last few days i got the p800, i see no reason that the p800 could not do video just as well as the two nokia's and all these phones have something that the other does'nt no matter how small etc but they are all capeable of a lot more than we are seeing at the moment and believe me the next few months will be awesome
The way i look at having been sending small video msg's from my phones for some months there is no reason the p800 cant do this task and do it sufficiently, lets face it were not talking hollywood movies here, were talking short clips of relatively ok quality to send to our friends etc.. for the people that keep putting it down saying it'll never happen...come on 2 years ago we were still stuck to txt msg's and they said that'll never take off!! when i started doing video on my nokia people said thats as good as it'll get for these phones, then video with audio came, then the 10sec video capture length was broken and now if i want i can record on my phone for anything up to and beyond 10mins...
Keep the faith ye early adopters....
We shall be rewarded..
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Posted: 2003-06-12 01:50
