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Anuj
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(1) Can someone please tell me if you can connect to the actual internet (HTML) via normal talk-time or do you have to use GPRS?
(2) If you can connect via normal talktime is it very slow or is it tolerable 
(3) Again if you can connect via normal talktime how do you ? When you access wap you have a dial up number and you connect to your wap provider. On a pc you also dial-up your isp and get connected how do you do this on your P800 who do you connect to for internet access?
Thanks in advance. These are the questions which will finally make me decide to go for a P800 (again, had one b4 and sold it in 2 days without doing much ! - silly me ) or a T610 ! |
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epscilon
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On 2003-06-05 10:04:22, Anuj wrote:
(1) Can someone please tell me if you can connect to the actual internet (HTML) via normal talk-time or do you have to use GPRS?
(2) If you can connect via normal talktime is it very slow or is it tolerable
(3) Again if you can connect via normal talktime how do you ? When you access wap you have a dial up number and you connect to your wap provider. On a pc you also dial-up your isp and get connected how do you do this on your P800 who do you connect to for internet access?
Thanks in advance. These are the questions which will finally make me decide to go for a P800 (again, had one b4 and sold it in 2 days without doing much ! - silly me ) or a T610 !
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1) Yes I can browse the internet over dial up and not gprs and use my free minutes it is a bit slower though. You cant use opera though, you have to use the internal browser, which is pretty good anyway!
2) tolerable
3) You just select dial up instead of gprs as your prefered connection. in yor internet account on the p800 |
Anuj
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Thanks mate but for (3) What number do you dial up to get the internet access? is it the wap number? or another? |
epscilon
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It is just the usual Wap Number that was provided by orange when I bought the phone. To test I tried going to the bbc news site in gprs and then went to teh same URL via dial up and I could access teh same page fine with the internal browser.
I called Orange and they said I can use my free minutes for this as well. And I think it is free for 3 months anyway  |
Anuj
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Thanks mate. Im on o2 and get 500mins a month i can use on wap/internet so ill probably go for it now ! |
epscilon
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My pleasure mate.
I am sure other people will post their own opinons on this so check back and see what everyone else thinks as well. It will all be useful info
I would highly recommend getting a p800! The bugs are minor, it is a quality phone. |
Anuj
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Cheers m8 !
Anyone else's experience with HTML access, would be gratefull to know ! |
tbl
Joined: Mar 20, 2003
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The P800 can surf the net on both circuit switched dial up and GPRS
for CSD dial up, you can use any ISP you want, Freeserve, AOL etc, just create a new connection and use it.
You can use this with Opera with no problems.
With GPRS you can surf the net using Opera and WAP using the inbuilt browser.
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Anuj
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@tbl - Thats confused me mate ! How do you connect to say freeserve? just dial their dial up number? dont u need to load the software like u do from the cd rom into a pc? |
P800_Zen_master
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No you dont need to load the software. When you choose dial up and not gprs you will find that you have to enter the following information:
Password:
username:
Phone number:
have a look in the.....internet accounts, select yout account and then select dialup and then you will have to enter the following three, which is above.
good luck!
Oh and buy the way: when using your dial up with freeserve I think you said, you pay for hours with freeserve AND your call with you mobile! so it is somestimes cheaper(depending on what you pay on each one) just to use GPRS! |
ami6
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Basically, there are 3 options.
1. Ordinary CSD (circuit switched). It means you dial a number, and get connected. The max. speed is around 19-27kbps, depending on your dial-in point. Normally, your operator offers one dial-in number for CSD - call their hotline and they will tell you. Even better, ask for an OTA (over the air) configuration, and they should be able to send it to you.
2. HSCSD (high speed CSD). Not every operator has bought that feature from their supplier, since it needs major technical infrastructure investments. HSCSD simlpy means you have a bigger bandwidth when using CSD (more allocated timeslots), but the same costs. When using it via your P800, you need to switch settings to "ISDN" and tick "enable high speed" in the "speed" tab of the "advanced" settings. Unfortunately, P800 offers 28.8kbps only - HSCSD could go up to 42kB with your operator normally. On my operator's home page, I found HSCSD settings (login script AT commands) some ages ago - but I have lost the link to that. Again, ask the hotline for support.
3. You go for GPRS. Also, your operator should offer you OTA as described above. Ask for tariffs to make sure you know the price tag.
As a rule of thumb:
* Mass downloads in short time (e.g. email sync, file transfer etc.)
-> CSD/HSCSD
* smaller downloads in longer time (chat, Instant Messaging etc.)
-> GPRS
Hope this helps a bit
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tbl
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Nah, all you need is to dial the number, put in your username/password... voila.
It's easy.
Even on your PC, the freeserve disc is not required, it's just a marketing ploy so they can feck up your PC and plaster FS logos all over Internet Explorer and Outlook. |
Anuj
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From: South Buckinghamshire
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Thanks m8s !
Now the biggest problem ! - Im on broadband at home so i aint got a dial-up number or password to log on to the net i just switch on!
How would i connect then? Can i use the wap number like epscilon said?
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ami6
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hmmh. then you go via dss-20 or Bluetooth directly onto it. Check for threads. Surfing like 3G/UMTS with opera etc. |
djfnet
Joined: May 28, 2003
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You can just register for a free Freeserve dial-up account at http://www.freeserve.net
It takes two minutes to regsiter and, once set-up, it's the best way I've found of browsing the REAL internet on your phone - as you only pay a local call charge.
I'd be wary of the HSCSD access though. I spoke to Orange last week who said that once you dial-up on any speed faster than 14.4 KBPS, then you're using HSCSD and will be charged a one off fee of £10 for using this service, and then you'll pay higher call charges for the internet access as well. Can anyone confirm this???
Anyway, I set my dial-up connection max speed to 14.4 KBPS just in case.......
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