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pachy
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If you had not seen this thread, would it not have existed.
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Eleventy7
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depends on the relative quotient of the 4-foot left-handed monkeys compared to the serrated cucumber logarithm
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crowing
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in commemoration of the late great albert einstein let this thread flourish for today is his birthday.... |
fijbert
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in relativity to ur knowledge, it wld not hv existed
in relativity to existence, it does...
and btw, that isnt quantum physics...
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pachy
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The "V" is for VERSUS. IE; Alberts struggle to declare an explainable system of order & action on reaction.
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fijbert
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versus is usually "vs"
maybe not where u come from 
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pachy
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But does "where i come from" only exist when i'm there & if not can it be prooved. |
fijbert
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it exists, all matter exists even if unknown..
but it's state is unknown..
it's like if u put a cat in a box with a poison in there
u dont know when it died or if the cat it died.. the cat is then speculated as being nor alive nor dead...
but u know the cat is there..
same goes for "where u come from"
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pachy
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The point of the experiments was to prove the existance of the cat when the box is shut, you can't just assume it's in there because it was there when the box was open, the whole point of science is you need to PROVE it's there.
The cat could just become physical matter at the monent you open the lid.
Assumption has no place in science. i agree it's highly unlikely that it isn't in the box when you can't see it, but i don't think even Albert could prove the existance of things that are in the universe any further than the fact that we choose to except that what we see is what we beleive to be in existance & therefor is physical matter.
Have you ever seen been decieved by your own eyes, if you have & many people have, then surely what you think we saw must actualy exist, but it may have only existed in your brain, not anyone elses, so this could apply to other things like the cat in the box ! |
Raven
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You are absolutely right, Pachy, existence cannot be proven. Like the old, "if a tree falls in the forest, does it make any noice if nobody is around to hear it fall?". Or Platon's cave theory etc..
This is all very scary and interesting when you really start thinking about it. Like the plot of Matrix...
And about the separation of dream vs reality. You all know how realistic a dream can be, then what about if your whole existance is based on another persons dream? What about an existing parallel universe where it's inhabitants sleeps 2/3 of each day keeping you awake, determening your faith, and vice versa. And if you then go 24 hours without sleeping, some other person in the parallel universe will simply not exist at all that day. That probably would be for the better since my dreams are pretty wierd, but that person(s) in the parallel universe that dreams my existence must have really boring dreams...
How do I know my friend exist right now, I am not with my friend now, so I have no solid proof that he exists at this very moment.
Think I'll go to sleep now, keeping some poor soul in the other universe alive for a few hours, perhaps he'll even get lucky..
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the cat when the box is shut, you can't just assume it's in there because it was there when the box was open |
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well where the hell wld it go?
there is no sceintific explanation that states otherwise..
obviously u can never assume in science, but is it truly an assumption? it's like saying when I put my pants up, since I cant see my schlong, it cld be not there... 
if I'm not making sense it's cuz it's late, and I've been playing a shitload of super mario world..
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toughluck
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About the matrix theory.
I've seen (on the net) an explanation why is it impossible. I will go even further and extend it.
You will agree with me that even as far as computers go, a single processing time is required for a single process.
Such a process would be a single lepton - a quark, a muon, a single nucleon - a meson, the photons as well. Every single one of them would require a process to determine their energy state, their location, their velocity, and blah, blah, blah. Quarks combine in groups of three to create nucleons - protons, neutrons, electrons, etc - and you need additional processing power to count their parameters as well. The nuclei join to create atoms - there are so many parameters (not determined by the latter ones) that it would require thousandfold of processing power to process even the simplest of atoms. Then come particles, and your processing power requirements would be billion times greater than you required for previouse processes - but you'd STILL have to support those. And there are 10 to the nth power of particles in the universe. And there's antimatter - there are speculations that there is a same amount of matter as antimatter in the universe - so that's twice the computing power required. Heck - there are neutrinos - and there a HELL-OF-A-LOT of them in space.
So to build a computer that simulates space, given today's scientific advancements (nanometer transistors) - and that at least one transistor (supporting a very simple process) PER one quantum of time (and today's clock speeds are very slow compared to quanti) is required PER one process (and processes are extremely complex):
NO, the matrix is no possible. You would require a computer, built solely of processing cores - no connections, no power supply, no nothing - the size of billions of trillions to the nth power larger than the universe itself. AND no supporting crew. And its mass would be great - what about gravity? It could collapse on its own and become a black hole...
And - there is no perpetual motion - every energy investment gives a smaller yield. A human body supporting computers? It would be a lot more efficient for robots to burn proteins, fat, and carbon hydroxides than to feed them to us to get power.
A good storyline - but heavily flawed.
And as for the sleep - what if you die? Does that person become perpetually alive? What if I don't go to sleep for a few days, and that person is considered dead and buried? What if I die in my dreams? Why are situations in dreams so much like in my real world? Why are there 'prophetic' dreams - don't tell me you didn't get a deja vu after you've seen something in your dream. Does the other person have prophetic dreams when I dream of the past? Why does that 'alter ego' appear in my dreams even after he dies? What if you kill someone you know in your dreams - does that person's life changes even a bit? AND - most important - do you EVER get the same sleep as any other person? Too many questions, too many paradoxes.
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fijbert
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for ur analisys of the matrix, let me tell u one thing.. they r in the yr 3000 something... so like, computers will be a hell lot faster by then and will be able to get a greater work load.. and we already hv the technology to simulate space and what not.. and that can be handled by the every day computer...
imagine what a Supercomputer can handle... now if u really think 3Ghz is the peak performance of our current time.. u r very wrong.. we r at about 20Ghz.. just slowly being released for maxmum profit...
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Raven
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@toughluck,
Hehe, did you really come to the conclusion about the Matrix on your own? - If so, I am very impressed.
I know the story is farfetched, but the idea is fascinating to me.
And about the dream stuff, I wasn't being serious. That was just a late-night, unfinished, philosophical thought.
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fijbert
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I'm not..
I think it's ignorant...
no man/machine made object can collapse on it's own forming a black hole...
or maybe it's too late and that;s y I am reading it wrong
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