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Hawk12
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Profits for mobile sensors = +59% (Q3)
More sensors used = more đź’°= xperia đź’“
Mobile earned less money than Q2, but costs were lower too.
They kind remain at Zero.
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On 2019-10-30 10:55:29, Hawk12 wrote:
This is from reddit :
" At IFA I had a brief chat with a person from sony. He told me the next Xperia flagship is in between concept and blueprint but it will be the successor of X1 will support 5G with SD865 for sure. Not much about camera spec seems finalized but don’t expect too much for hardware improvement. He says rather than camera hardware they will focus on more “film-geeky” new software feature to attract film enthusiasts, just like Cinema Pro."
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Samsung is ditching the 1.4um sensor, Huawei already has huge sensors, Apple just kicked the butt of Pixel in processing. If manual video was that important LG would have been counting their billions by now. If they keep the hardware without even a tof they'll loose their relevance once again.
0.6 million is pretty low. I wonder how they'll reach their already lowered forecast of 4mils. But at least they didn't lose in operating costs. Also does this unit sales mean 10 series sold better? It probably includes XZ2-3 too but still.
Price is definitely an issue. Yes they get discounts but it's not like the competition stay at the same price. Heck S10 probably got price cuts before 1 arrived. But Sony rather give $200 worth of freebies than price their phone at $600. I think it's because of their desire to stay a "premium brand". I kinda wish Sony made a new brand like realme or something  |
Hawk12
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Cinema Pro is much more friendly than just manual settings.
There is whole UI, the Luts etc ...
To me , it looks easier to use than manual setting from regular app.
Dont buy the story that those sub-$500 flagships have 5-10% profits.
No business can handle this.
Flagship from Honor probably costs half or less to be made compared to P/Mate series ....
Remember that Oppo Find X was released for $1000.
More than X1, S10+, G8 and P30.
Vivo too have had devices above $600 in past few years.
Sony cant trust they can keep improving with same hardware for years.
They need to remember that newer/better hardware can bring better results.
From weibo : " The IMX563 specification is unremarkable, and the 1.6ÎĽm PD is not too big. Just made a Pixel level Cu-Cu link, also DBI Hybrid Bonding. It is a Gen5 technology that is more difficult to implement than Gen6 (3 layers of DBI HB peripherals). "
It is 1.4 instead of 1.6 .... Anyway , I think it is X5 camera.
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Doesn't really matter if it's more than manual settings, I've yet to see someone using it as a film camera. Besides, if they are serious about video they should at least upgrade the OIS and give better stabilization. Sony has sharpness going for it and it'd come handy using it with a gimbal but for those who want better stabilization without an external tool, they should offer it in regular camera settings.
Price could be anything, but they should make people believe that price is right for what they are getting. Sony can't do this, especially in midrange segment.
Sony used to use their sensors in multiple generations, they don't have the luxury this time imo. They caught up to the industry just when it's moving towards bigger sensors. Have you seen the 108MP module next to a 12MP. That looked insane. It is time for Sony to have huge curved sensors with simple lens design so it'll have great image quality without protrusion. Or if they want to stay less costly, enlarge the sensor. Midrange 48MP uses 1/2" now. If nothing, they should ugrade OIS and use Exmor for all focal lengths. A more capable front cam could also be cool.
I read that phonearena article, it's suspicious that they only used portrait mode in low light. Samsung is garbage, yet they still have nice things to say. Only if it was a Sony... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM0v4Q6Iz8I here's a random comparison. 11 does better imo, pixel is great but 4 is not as exciting as previous gens were. If we take random content seriously, then that Japanese video showed 5 beat 11. Regardless, 11 gets praise for its video capabilities from everyone. Sony should one up all these. They have the resources. |
Hawk12
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EIS can be fixed.
OIS is all the same.
Sony has been busy with FF sensors lately.
No new mobile exmor beside the ones of iphones and X5.
I have no idea if they plan to focus on QB sensors.
That sensor used by Nokia 808 is almost 3,6x larger than 1/2.6" ....
85,36mm2 while 1/2.6" has about 24mm2...
Look at Motorola Razr Flex : https://www.mobielkopen.net/beelden-opvouwbare-motorola-razr
This is the flex phone the other should have done , instead of those failures.
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On 2019-10-30 21:49:00, Ppl wrote:
Doesn't really matter if it's more than manual settings, I've yet to see someone using it as a film camera. Besides, if they are serious about video they should at least upgrade the OIS and give better stabilization. Sony has sharpness going for it and it'd come handy using it with a gimbal but for those who want better stabilization without an external tool, they should offer it in regular camera settings.
Price could be anything, but they should make people believe that price is right for what they are getting. Sony can't do this, especially in midrange segment.
Sony used to use their sensors in multiple generations, they don't have the luxury this time imo. They caught up to the industry just when it's moving towards bigger sensors. Have you seen the 108MP module next to a 12MP. That looked insane. It is time for Sony to have huge curved sensors with simple lens design so it'll have great image quality without protrusion. Or if they want to stay less costly, enlarge the sensor. Midrange 48MP uses 1/2" now. If nothing, they should ugrade OIS and use Exmor for all focal lengths. A more capable front cam could also be cool.
I read that phonearena article, it's suspicious that they only used portrait mode in low light. Samsung is garbage, yet they still have nice things to say. Only if it was a Sony... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM0v4Q6Iz8I here's a random comparison. 11 does better imo, pixel is great but 4 is not as exciting as previous gens were. If we take random content seriously, then that Japanese video showed 5 beat 11. Regardless, 11 gets praise for its video capabilities from everyone. Sony should one up all these. They have the resources.
Agree with basically all of this. Sony can do better. they have the expertise to do so. I'm still convinced they are limiting themselves as to not harm their camera department sales.
moogoo
Nokia 5160 -> Nokia 8260 -> SE T68i -> SE K700i -> SE Z710 -> SE Xperia X10a -> Sony Xperia S -> Sony Xperia Z1 -> Sony Xperia XZ -> Sony Xperia XZ Premium -> Sony Xperia 1ii
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There is no more to conserve in the camera industry. The mobile industry has taken up all the cash that the camera industry has.
If there something to blame here, that is Sony's internal affairs afaik. |
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you just contradicted yourself. camera industry is not dead by any means. it's alive and well and sony is crushing it in a lot of areas that could be translated in some manner, to the mobile world. but they won't. since that tech is exactly why they are getting sales in the camera world.
internal affairs is preventing them from truly sharing tech.
moogoo
Nokia 5160 -> Nokia 8260 -> SE T68i -> SE K700i -> SE Z710 -> SE Xperia X10a -> Sony Xperia S -> Sony Xperia Z1 -> Sony Xperia XZ -> Sony Xperia XZ Premium -> Sony Xperia 1ii
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Shino03
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It may not be dead but the camera industry has shrunk so much that it isn't even a quarter of the mobile industry. |
RacSony
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interesting.
https://androidnext.info/?p=201
Xperia 1 PE is using better quality hardware than regular X1 |
Hawk12
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I did not understand if screen is better or just better tunned compared to X1.
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badassmam
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Casual photographers use phones for convenience and also being able to share photos online while you can't do that with a camera. The camera market is for photography enthusiasts, high end camera and video. |
Hawk12
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Obvious that X1/X5 will never give same video quality of an A7 iii.
Alpha has almost twice the bitrate and hardware advantage.
But Cinema Pro is a nice tool to learn about videography
Luts are not available for Alpha.
Even PA likes a lot the quality of the HDR 4K.
More than enough for youtube or home productions.
I hope they make a version for midranges.
Cinema Pro needs edition tools.
From your friend : https://sumahoinfo.com/?p=36250
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Nodar? AKA ADIDA. My hunch is a better leakster than this guy. 1.7 1.5? These been in rumors for a while. 1"? Saying highly unlikely would be an understatement. |
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https://youtu.be/pRGPv3N40AI
Check this concept.
It is almost what I need .... |
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