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badassmam
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Posted: 2019-08-08 11:44
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So the Note 10+ is the real deal while the Note 10 is smaller than S10+, lower resolution, no SD card slot and no headphone jack. Very odd by them but I can't help but wonder if Sony made the original XZ with smaller bezels it would look near identical.

I held a jelly case for what appears to be the Xperia 1R/1V/2 and I thought it was very compact. Camera cutout was on the back left so this isn't the Xperia 20. My estimate would be around 6 inch, perhaps a little thicker than the Xperia 1 but fits well in terms of width. Also saw some coloured glass, there were lots but I'd say nothing super reflective like Huawei or Note 10 but it looks like they'll be glossy. Classic black, white, petrol blue/green, purple, grey/silver, copper/gold, navy blue, deep red - all very grown up colours I would say. Of these maybe 2 choices after black and white.
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Posted: 2019-08-08 13:13
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Hope Sony makes all with chrome FPS.
Changing colour according to the glass is ugly.
Black button is ridiculous.

Sphink and Horus are SD855.
According to software info.
Both 5G

The render leaked has that cheap grape juice purple colour.
Looks frost/matte glass to me.
So probably one spot left.
Bottom bezel looks smaller than X1.


Does it have Qi?
Because I dont see any other reason why they would move the cam.
Much nicer in the middle.
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Posted: 2019-08-08 16:22
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On 2019-08-08 11:44:37, badassmam wrote:
I can't help but wonder if Sony made the original XZ with smaller bezels it would look near identical.

My thoughts exactly.

I think they should keep burgundy and deep green of the previous gens and purple and copper from Z gen. But doesn't really matter, they don't offer every color everywhere. Warm silver was also a good option.
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Posted: 2019-08-08 16:58
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There is a new exmor (667) with same specs of 300.
Hope midranges next year get this.
I think photos from XA1 are better than XZs.
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Posted: 2019-08-09 12:55
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There's 677 on wiki. In its output value slvs ec is written. Other sensors with this are generally on stand alone cameras on that list. I don't see why Sony would go back to 23mp.

Xa1's photos were better, so was m5's and other mtk devices. It must be a processing issue since xa2 had the same sensor but very smudgy results.
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Posted: 2019-08-09 14:07
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Since midrange cameras dont focus on speed like motion eye, no point of keeping low 12/13MP.
I dont see much difference between shots from 10 and XA 2016.
And even E5 can do better than XA.
10+ does not do better than XA2 nor XA1.

People get impressed by specs, even if they dont turn out to wow you in performance.
Many midranges will use 64MP next year.

I cant deny I want to see huge resolution on flagship, but they need to choose between resolution or speed.
Unless they put 4x more ram inside. Which makes sensor prices goes to sky.

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Posted: 2019-08-09 16:05
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I think they should use the 48mp one everyone is using. For midrange. High mp without qb is kind of old news unless it's way higher than 23 and has some binning/zooming abilities.

Less than a month for ifa. And only certain global release is X2. Unless they'll release x20 with power/fps button. Maybe they'll only introduce X2, xa3's we're supposed to be unveiled at CES. If they were (as 10) mwc would have had only X1.
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Posted: 2019-08-09 16:47
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The FPS/power issue is just in North America.
Nothing keeps them from selling x20 in Europe.
But no surprise if only Japan, Taiwan and China get it.

Does Cinema Pro do edition?
Reviews say it does not, but the product's page says filming and editing.
I have impression that the official video shows at least option to merge the clips into one.
sidneylopsides
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Posted: 2019-08-09 16:54
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CinemaPro doesn't allow editing, only combining clips into a single file. I'm sure I remember seeing a shot of an editing UI for it, but doesn't seem to have made the cut.
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Posted: 2019-08-10 02:08
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https://sumahoinfo.com/post-33486

Translation is very confusing to me.
Help.....

When will we see this? I thought 1 was going to have.
https://nl.letsgodigital.org/[....]plicaties/sony-smartphone-app/
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Posted: 2019-08-10 06:46
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On 2019-08-10 02:08:38, Hawk12 wrote:
https://sumahoinfo.com/post-33486

Translation is very confusing to me.
Help.....

When will we see this? I thought 1 was going to have.
https://nl.letsgodigital.org/[....]plicaties/sony-smartphone-app/
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-08-10 01:22 ]



Zackbuks was saying that no more 4k display phones announce this year, and he hope September not to announce xperia 2 ,but rather hoping for a xperia 1plus or xperia 1c type, or rather not announce anything during September, and focus on next year first half on a phone with smaller display then subsequently larger display phone for second half.
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Posted: 2019-08-10 19:11
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Just for curiosity.
There is an old exmor 12.2MP 1/1.7" .
It has 1.85 micron.

In case new phones bring similar hardware. Which would be weird because Sony usually keeps sensor for at least 18 months.
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Posted: 2019-08-10 19:43
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If this phone(X2-X1s-X1C) is just a smaller 1, it probably won't have new hardware. I hope they don't announce anything they can't sell quickly.

Does anyone know what the dynamic range of HLG footage of Xperia in terms of stops? I don't know if it can be measured like that but I wonder why they can't use the same approach for stills too. Is it made with multiple exposures for each frame or is it the native DR of the sensor? Is the RAW file in 8bit while video is 10?
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Posted: 2019-08-10 20:21
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@PPl https://www.cinema5d.com/sony-xperia-1-review/

It says 10 stops. But he used the 52mm only, I dont know why.

HDR and 10 bit video have natural higher DR and gamut.
DR of photos on cellphones are tricks.
Most of the times they dont show scene how it really is.

One of main problems of recent xperia is the fact they slow shutter down in day light to make foreground brighter.
Many photos of xz2 look like taken by phone with f1.7 instead of 2.0.
Than gray cloudy sky goes white.




Pricebaba profile of X20 says 3500 mAh.
https://pricebaba.com/mobile/sony-xperia-20#specificationsTab
[ This Message was edited by: Hawk12 on 2019-08-10 19:54 ]
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Posted: 2019-08-10 21:52
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Thanks Hawk. I was just wondering if the sensor was capable of giving more info for video, can they use it to imrove DR on jpeg stills? But I guess it's not the same thing as the real cams.

I guess it's because of its metering mode that Xperias have weird exposures. I think they use either center weighted, and turns to spot metering on touch-to-expose. I used to change it to frame average and turn HDR on for manual.

3500 is good for a midrange small(ish) phone if true. But it also says 25.000 rupees? I thought they left India too. 350 dollars for SD710? Hard to believe when they priced the 10 that much.
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