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Hawk12
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While ago XZ2P was $650 on Amazon while XZ3 was $800.
I haven't checked lately to see current price.
XZ1 was same releasing price of XZP.
At least here.
1/1.7" = 43,32 mm2 , 1/2.55" = 24mm2
Huawei is using something about 40mm2.
It is hard to tell because for example 1/1.72" or 1/1.69" would be described as 1/1.7".
I think you can try to calculate this way (It worked for 12MP 1/2.3 and 12MP 1/2.6" ).
Area/megapixels = X
Square root of X = pixel size
24/12 = 2
SR (2) = 1,41
43,32/12 = 3,61
SR (3,61) = 1,9
There is the thing. Bigger pixels in theory are useful for very high ISO.
Unless they plan to use Aube again, it pointless.
Many techs from newer sensors can overcome pixel size for light sensitivity.
Sony Alpha has done it, A7 III 24MP has much strong low light performance than A7S II 12MP.
Older iphones used to have 8MP 1,55 micron (same sensor of xperia z4 tab) and was awful.
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I was looking at the pixel pitches of alpha cams and I found a site which had a simple formula. If my calculations are correct 1/1.7" pixel pitch is 2.98 um. That must be the biggest ever in phone history.
I don't think you'd need aube after that and if they can clean the noise like alphas that could be the ultimate low light camera. |
Hawk12
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Monochrome of XZ2P acts like a RGB of almost 90mm2.
Unless they put a 1/1.2" , no way they can give a clean footage with RGB only.
Without aube, impossible to merge data for video.
Excatly what happens to N9.
Does not make sense if X2 is lower tier than X1, but better cam hardware.
If I had X1, I'd be mad.
Let's suppose the X1 5G was really cancelled.
And that hexa cam is the replacement.
What if it has 48MP 1/1.7" RGB + 12MP 1/1.7" mono?
According to the leak, that phone have two cameras with same FL and f1.2/f2.4.
Since the sensor has DRAM to read data 4x faster, pixels take much more time to get "saturated" of light.
It is better to have high res RGB and mono.
Why cant Sony leave info out like Samsung and Google? 😡😡
Still almost 70 days until IFA ...
People no longer come here to tell us .... 😰😰😰😰
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We're almost in August, 38 days to ifa. Right?
Xz2p didn't have bionz x AFAIK. It's rgb stills were comparable to the merged ones. Only more noise. I think aube should be used again but Tony was saying things like you don't need it etc. The hexa cam rumor is too good to be true. I hope they don't waste aube after 1 try but my hopes are not high. |
Hawk12
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What's Black Technology?
I see ppl on internet that suspect X1 has it for screen.
January / february / march = 900.000 xperia sold
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I might be wrong but black technology meant a highly technological process/thing that it's almost magic that it actually exists. It's tech is top secret. Kinda. Might mean sth else idk |
badassmam
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Sony came in with some horrific sales figures, doesn't include the Xperia 1 as it came late but it looks bad in the press. |
rubik_cat
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19Q1 Xperia sales : 0.9 million
and Sony Mobile exit South Korea. |
Hawk12
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In Japan people buy iphones or japanese brands. Rest has no relevance there.
In Korea is the same. People will buy Samsung, Apple and occasionally LG.
In China the top 5 are all local brands.
Japan, HK amd Taiwan are safe spots.
Then they remain to see what happens in Europe.
I dont know if they sell in all countries there.
Midranges started in last week of FEV.
Part of sales are not there.
The more important is how much 💰💰 per unit is being earned.
More important than total sales.
Even more important if number of flagships sold pass midranges.
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Lonewolf223
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I think sony has the highest average selling price among Android manufacturers
Also they should get rid of their mid rangers
They can no longer compete in the category
Makers are releasing more and more models which simply outclass sony entry class and midrangers
Even the Samsung m series is a step in the right direction |
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The issue is .....
Most people buy midranges/low end.
Those that use 10/10+/L3 would have bought another brand if they did not exist.
How much % of xperia sales are flagships?
L3 is very similar to M series.
Google now has midrange.
Htc is bringing low ends Wildfire series.
I dont know how many 10+ Sony needs to sell to earn same amount of money they earn selling one unit of 1.
But what if sales decrease to less than 1 million without midranges?
Samsung for example would fall from 300 to 40 million units.
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Sony's midrange can't compete with those. Pixel has a very capable camera and updates, Samsung m series and a series catches up with the current design trends. And there's also cheap flagships or upper mids from likes of Xiaomi.
I'm sure if 10+ had at least sd660, a more capable camera and maybe a pop up camera with its long cut less square display it'd have sold more.
BTW alpha uses R and S for different camera strengths. Do you think these 1R and 1S are similar? Like 1r for high mp and 1s for that 3 um pixels. There's also a 1V, I'm not aware if any camera models that feature the letter V. |
Hawk12
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I dont think they would split flagship line according to camera purposes like their Full Frames.
Cameras are very similar, just sensor is different.
Cellphone is whole different story.
Higher res has one downside: speed.
If X1 with 12MP can do 10fps AF/AE, no way with same SD855 a phone with let's say 48MP would be able too.
Unless they increase dram 4x, which would make sensor even more expensive than is already.
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Lonewolf223
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If u look clearly at the current mid range market then sony midrangers are actually the most overpriced and featureless phones out there.. Nope they cant compete with the m series bro
Xiaomi vivo oppo realmi and asus has very decent midrangers
The thing is sony should up their batteries cut the bezels and increase the battery capacities and provide more capable cpus at least sd660 in their midrangers
This is from a purely objective stanpoint and i dont want to appear as if i am bashing sony
They should go the iphone route that is the best way forward
One mid range(compete with xr) one flagship one compact flagship and a premium |
Hawk12
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Prices vary a lot for every market.
One country has Xperia midrange for $300, somewhere else same phone is $450.
Samsung is in position to lower the price because they know they will sell no matter if device is good or crappy.
They are everywhere, all stores and on tv all the time.
Cant even count how many Galaxy adds on Sony Channel.
They have much more in-house components, they get cheaper compared to other brands pay.
Last year here LG and Samsung had SD450 devices for a huge price.
As high as XA2U and Moto Z3 Play.
But still easily outsold both.
Also here Xiaomi is too overpriced. Their phones cost way more than Samsung midranges.
Redmi 7 costs more than XA2 was last year. It also costs more than Moto G7.
Something I see is that Sony Mobile treats all costumers as they were people that read about tech and will look for the latest pieces available. They put ddr4/gorilla5/BT5.0 on L3 but people still buy other brands that use ddr3, gorilla 3 and BT4.2 because these phones have 64/128Gb , 6Gb ram and more MP.
Oppo/Vivo have tons of phones with HD screen and microUSB. They are awful with updates (even worse than LG) and no tech site likes their UI. They have cheap devices, but few are too expensive for what they pack. The I am sure if you visit any country of Southeast Asia you will easily find their phone for sales everywhere.
Let's see Sony. No Xperia on TV, no outdoors, no stores, no deals with T-Mo and AT&T in USA, most of them you can only buy unlocked and not all colors available.
How are the phones supposed to sell?
I am sure if I ask my neighbor what phone brands she knows, she will say Samsung, Apple and Motorola.
Chance of Sony being mentioned is smaller than World Peace comes someday.
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