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doministry
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Posted: 2017-10-11 11:24
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On 2017-10-11 01:03:14, Archdragoon wrote:

On 2017-10-10 23:57:01, doministry wrote:

On 2017-10-10 10:08:26, Archdragoon wrote:
There is many thing need to be improved on Xperia's camera.

Well it's just that SONY doesn't really care about it -_-


Nah. They do care.
There are so many things to improve in other cameras as well.



If they do care how come they release so many phone with camera issues


Just like the other makers have bigger issues.
Note 7 exploding? IPhone 6 bend gate? IPhone 8 cracking?
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Archdragoon
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Posted: 2017-10-11 12:35
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On 2017-10-11 11:24:19, doministry wrote:

On 2017-10-11 01:03:14, Archdragoon wrote:

On 2017-10-10 23:57:01, doministry wrote:

On 2017-10-10 10:08:26, Archdragoon wrote:
There is many thing need to be improved on Xperia's camera.

Well it's just that SONY doesn't really care about it -_-


Nah. They do care.
There are so many things to improve in other cameras as well.



If they do care how come they release so many phone with camera issues


Just like the other makers have bigger issues.
Note 7 exploding? IPhone 6 bend gate? IPhone 8 cracking?



Yeah let see... Note 8 coming without the explosion because they change battery manufacturer.

But XZ1 come with the old issues.

This make me wonder why SONY launch the new product with old issues.

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HxH
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Posted: 2017-10-14 16:32
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Just stop feeding this shame troll, doministry

Note 7 to 8 and iphone 6 to 6s has full year gap to fixed, other side of thing time span of launch availability between XZ Premium and XZ1 is less than five months and someone just keep wanking it over to the moon already, such a shame.
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Archdragoon
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Posted: 2017-10-14 23:25
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Yeah shame on SONY.

Well keep protect SONY as you please. It seem you're happy to do that.
[ This Message was edited by: Archdragoon on 2017-10-14 22:34 ]
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hboy857
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Posted: 2017-10-15 01:38
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Why are you people calling Archdragoon a troll?
Archdragoon bought a Sony phone with lots of money and the phone's camera have serious problems (it is well documented) so of course he is going to complain about it. He can complain about it because he has the right to complain about it. Unlike other people who troll Sony page without even buying a single phone in years he actually buy sony phones. XZ1 camera lens has awful distortion, flare, shading and ringing problem and it's just the lens problems. I'm not going to say anything about image processing here. Go watch androidauthority's video review of XZ1. You will see what I'm talking about. No camera is perfect but Sony's camera is seriously lagging behind the top camera phones.


If you don't like his post just do what I do to tzep (or whatever his name is) post. IGNORE HIM.
If you don't like my post just IGNORE ME. It is that simply. Don't start calling people troll just because they started criticizing Sony and stop blindly defending Sony. Praise where they deserve and criticize where they deserve.
[ This Message was edited by: hboy857 on 2017-10-15 00:49 ]
Archdragoon
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Posted: 2017-10-15 03:03
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First he underestimate me by saying I listen to illegal Hi-Res file. Now he is calling me a troll.

It is tragic. Here is the product that I bought this year.

How come I'm a troll ?

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badassmam
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Posted: 2017-10-15 11:11
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hboy857 is correct, when we spend the money we should demand a certain level of quality. Buying a Sony you know that it has some shortcomings but some things shouldn't be a problem like the distortion. That Sony response was terrible, you can only accept that if you spend below £100 for your phone. That goes for the antenna problem on the old iPhone and Note 7. You shouldn't accept that crap from big companies who make tons of cash.
doministry
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Posted: 2017-10-15 12:21
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What I am saying precisely is if you buy a 600S phone, demand your rights
if you feel things are getting wrong.
Go to the Sony Store, etc.

Distortion is a thing on any wide lens camera to some extent.
I mean what would you do with somebody's email at support? Send a replace unit immediately?

What I would do I would go to Sony Store and try to speak to a person,
examine it etc.

The rest is somewhat trollish behaviour - how Sony is cr..p and others are so nice and great.
Which is simply BS (Note 7, iPhone 6, tons of other quality problems).
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Archdragoon
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Posted: 2017-10-15 12:29
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On 2017-10-15 12:21:51, doministry wrote:
What I am saying precisely is if you buy a 600S phone, demand your rights
if you feel things are getting wrong.
Go to the Sony Store, etc.

Distortion is a thing on any wide lens camera to some extent.
I mean what would you do with somebody's email at support? Send a replace unit immediately?

What I would do I would go to Sony Store and try to speak to a person,
examine it etc.

The rest is somewhat trollish behaviour - how Sony is cr..p and others are so nice and great.
Which is simply BS (Note 7, iPhone 6, tons of other quality problems).



Yes of course we have try that already and local SONY store can't do anything because they're just distributor. I even talk to product manager and he said that it's all depend on the HQ in Japan.

We even make the change.org stuff.

Xperia's Distortion

Also if Xperia's distortion is the same as distortion of other wide angle camera there will be no complaint.

Actually we aren't demand the replacement or anything immediately.

But what do we get now ? It's false information and lie.
[ This Message was edited by: Archdragoon on 2017-10-15 11:42 ]
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profyler
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Posted: 2017-10-15 13:01
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Not only the distortion.

The over processed algorithm is simply absurd. its like a watercolor foto. Just compare it in any review and you see flar, failed noise smoothing, defocus etc.
I think the whole Mobile camera department should be fired. Start from zero because those guys arent even trying to fix the issues known for a long time.
Tibagy
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Posted: 2017-10-15 16:10
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Sony Xperia XZ1 Vs Sony XZ Premium: Speed & Camera Test!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMtX7YRYRts
moogoo
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Posted: 2017-10-16 07:35
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does anybody who has some of the newer devices even have TRUE distortion problems? I get that there is some distortion but in general, i do not notice it in the vast majority of photos I take. It comes up here and there and yes, that is annoying. But overall, it has not been so prevalent that I don't even want to use my camera.

I don't have access to non-sony devices, or i would take sample shots of the same things to see how they compare. but honestly, in my everyday usage, i don't have any distortion problems that are glaring enough to make me angry.

just my 2 cents.

in any case, let's get this thread back to XZ1.
moogoo
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Archdragoon
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Posted: 2017-10-16 07:47
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On 2017-10-16 07:35:28, moogoo wrote:
does anybody who has some of the newer devices even have TRUE distortion problems? I get that there is some distortion but in general, i do not notice it in the vast majority of photos I take. It comes up here and there and yes, that is annoying. But overall, it has not been so prevalent that I don't even want to use my camera.

I don't have access to non-sony devices, or i would take sample shots of the same things to see how they compare. but honestly, in my everyday usage, i don't have any distortion problems that are glaring enough to make me angry.

just my 2 cents.

in any case, let's get this thread back to XZ1.



Yes, I own XZ1 for two week and the distortion is bad. I guess you already see what I have.

The thread is still with XZ1.
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profyler
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Posted: 2017-10-16 07:49
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in every day use is ok.

But sometimes you need to take photos from the right angle and it sucks, so yes, in those case you are going to notice and see the stupid distortion.
moogoo
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Posted: 2017-10-16 09:47
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@archdragoon - i see. that sucks if your distortion is consistently bad like that. i catch it now and then but everyday use it doesn't seem to pop up. even when i'm taking photos of things with grid like lines. sometimes the distortion is there, while sometimes it isn't.. or at least the severity of it varies greatly from barely noticeable to definitely noticeable.

hopefully it is something that can be fixed with software processing to some extent. If it truly is a wide angle lens problem, their algorithms should be able to determine the amount of distortion caused by the lens and correct it.
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