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kabiluddin
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@ Jamzy, Hi. First of all thank you for your post. I just checked the flicker and compare both camera's pic side by side and I'll say your post proves my point. In 8 mp sample Z5 has less noise and superb color and lots of details. S6 seems to be unnaturally brighten up the scene and if you look closely you will see slight Orangly cast in every S6 night pic. Even in daylight scene Z5 manages to retain detail that can compete with S6.
Now I'll wait for DxOmark and connect.dpreview.com to review the Z5 series. But judging form the few early samples I'm sure they will say the same thing. I won't be surprised if they declare Z5 is the best camera among smartphone. I tend to side more with dpreview opinion than DxOmark. I think Z5 will be the first Sony phone that will score higher than 8 in dpreview. Lets just wait.
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ascariss
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Hmm I can't seem to access the full images, the largest I can get is 2048 x 1152 of flickr, so not 8mp. Plus I can't seem to download the photos off their flickr account. So hard to get a real sense from the photos.
But as with previous comparisons, the S6 seems sharper, a lot sharper, this can be seen in the golf photo, S6 much sharper and much more details (look at the headlight). Z5 golf looks smudgy in places.
In the photo with the candle, glasses and frame, the S6 has half the ISO but a longer exposure time, 2x (1/33 vs 1/64), while parts of the S6 photo seem overexposed, more details are visible versus the Sony photo, the darker areas.
In the photo of the fake plant, again same situation, Z5 ups the ISO, while the S6 instead increases the exposure time. Visibly less noise in the S6 photo and sharper, Z5 photo has more noticeable noise, not as sharp.
In the hat photo, sony wins this, the S6 is overexposed in some parts of the photo and while increasing the exposure time helps to get in more light, increasing the ISO as well can cause overexposure. Z5 performs well, 1/32 and 125 ISO, not the cleanest image, but still noise is below what we have seen so far.
Headphones, S6 again here, much sharper and cleaner photo. Z5 again looks smudgy, has more noise and more artifacts, hopefully that is the jpeg compression and not from the phone.
The coins, identical ISO, and noise seems quite similar in both, meaning sony can handle noise, but perhaps not all the time it seems. S6 is still sharper, this can be seen well in the coins. Perhaps slightly better contrast on the S6 photo as well, but this can be altered in post after.
Sewer cover, S6 again sharper, also has twice the exposure time.
Grey post, S6 a tad sharper, noise equal in both, seems Sony's noise issue is more connected with indoor photos, outdoor is more or less fine with noise.
Finally the garbage bins, colours seem more stronger on S6, both use ISO 40 and have very close exposure times. Again same story, S6 is still sharper.
So conclusion? Nothing final, wait until production software devices begin selling and people begin posting photos. But from what this comparison and the previous one shows, Sony has a noise issue in the indoor photos, outdoor shots and noise is not an issue but that is because there is plenty of light.
The other problem I see is sharpness and details, in some, maybe majority of the photos the Z5 photos are not as sharp as the S6 photos, hopefully this is a software issue and sony can fix the algorithm.
This is how I see these photos, just my take on them. |
Xperiask17i
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Keep in mind that Z5 uses very wide lens (24mm) for a phone hence it is natural to have zoomed out details. |
Gitaroo
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On 2015-09-23 13:24:30, Xperiask17i wrote:
Keep in mind that Z5 uses very wide lens (24mm) for a phone hence it is natural to have zoomed out details.
Yupe, you can't just simple zoom in until the object is the same size. Z5 will also be smaller at 100%. |
amirprog
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Sony's announcements to launch window is just too damn long and spectre movie for z5 premium in not an excuse. It is pretty lame to wait for mid november for an actual availability in stores for premium (optimistic estimation). They had plenty of time to work on z5 devices. Is it that hard for them to launch new flags lets say up to a month from announcement? |
Jamzy
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We don't really know why it's November tbh
Maybe it's the production of the 4K screens resulting in a November launch. |
DarkKrypt
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Long time lurking.
Um it won't be the production of the 4k screens
That would be a concern Wouldn't it?
A little patience never harmed, Enjoy the movie and get the phone and chick 😎
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kurtdean
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Even the Midrange m5 video camera is better than Note 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bQiMGzBd0w Perhaps it's better than Z5  Btw laser autofocus is a gimmick because sony beats them all
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penguino
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Laser autofocu is a gimmick because it works up to 60cm. M5 has decent camera but overall worse than Note 5. And better than Z5 because pictures from Z5 are too noisy. |
kurtdean
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On 2015-09-27 17:34:22, penguino wrote:
Laser autofocu is a gimmick because it works up to 60cm. M5 has decent camera but overall worse than Note 5. And better than Z5 because pictures from Z5 are too noisy.
Im talking about video bro. It doesnt change the fact that galaxy note 5 video is much worse than m5 |
penguino
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This video only show a few seconds long recording in certain conditions. That's not very informative. More importantly - you posted it in the wrong thread. |
Tsepz_GP
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Lol at the video.
Anyway...
I am assuming Sony may be onto a great opportunity with launching the Z5 Premium in November, the iPhone 6S, Note5 and S6 Edge+ hype will have died down, although these will be heavily promoted for the Xmas shopping season, but then the Z5P will be a breath of fresh air, bringing an all new and 1st 4K mobile display, new 23MP Camera, and those chrome and gold colours will have this beast sticking out in the crowd and holding its own on display tables at network shops amongst the iPhones and Galaxys.
When is Spectre out? If they time it all right with movie and phone release plus a great marketing campaign, I think they may have a winner here and may sell very well.
If the Z5P fails, it will be down to Sony's marketing, as the product (to me at least) seems bulletprof, it should not fail, and should convert some iPhone and Galaxy users to the Xperia brand. There will be a number of Note 3 and 4 users jumping on to it as many of us do not like the Note5.
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Spectre is released from the 26/10/15 (UK)
To 4/12/15 (Japan)
The most common day It's released is 5-6/11/15
For Australia it's 6/11/15 where I'm at.
Looking at the price that's going around Europe it's €599 which in Australia is $953 au for the compact
( using xe.com
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=599&From=EUR&To=AUD)
Which I can only guess each version up well be up by $50 or so ( don't know if z5 5.2in has been priced yet in Europe I know it has in Asia and now I'm guessing)
So xperia z5c €599 - $953au
Xperia z5 €650 - $1035au
Xperia z5p €700 - $1115au
A gradual increase with a mean of $81au
(from z5p to z5 $80au and z5 to z5c $82au)
What was the difference between z3c and z3 on Release?
Either way the only decision I have to make is black or chrome and 128gb or $200gb
then waiting for PlaystationVR (project Morpheus) 😎
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@Xajel
Has posted this in the rumours thread
This pricing sounds more right
"Z5c S$828 (USD 580 / EUR 518)
Z5 S$ 998 (USD 699 / EUR 625)
Z5p S$ 1098 (USD 769 / EUR 688)"
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Since sony shut down of all of their local and online retailers, especially in NA, I want to see what their strategy is for selling their unlock devices and some sort of store relaunching. Those prices by USD seems to be very competitive in NA, especially for the Z5P. Too bad it will probably be 1k or over in Canada. |
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On 2015-09-28 23:52:10, Gitaroo wrote:
Since sony shut down of all of their local and online retailers, especially in NA, I want to see what their strategy is for selling their unlock devices and some sort of store relaunching. Those prices by USD seems to be very competitive in NA, especially for the Z5P. Too bad it will probably be 1k or over in Canada.
Personally I do NOT want to see Stores get relaunched. Stores in the traditional brick'n'mortar sense ad HUGE costs: on-site employees, storage, huge rental fees for price locations like capital city malls where they're better serviced (Eaton Centre, Toronto ON Canada for example had a LOT of on-lookers lot of service customers and returns barely any sales), not to mention MORE marketing costs, phone costs for routing calls to the nearest retail store.
NO NO NO!
Although the brand is as big and if not bigger than Apple was 8 yrs ago ... it NEVER flourished based on retail stores. Authorized retailers is what works best ... let THEM foot the bill on sales efforts!!
Online is the BEST and have regional outlets. Use 10% of the retail store costs for sending out packaging for end users with device warranty claims as a free shipping ... this ALONE will retain customers: Client calls, package arrives in 3days, shipment arrives in 2 in same country repairs in 1 week, done! Don't promise loaners, don't provide that is for the END client to deal with. If you must use the old  stock of K750/W800i/W810i/K800/850i models!!
Nostalgia wins ... least cost to operate your business on a GLOBAL scale wins!
You've NOT seen how your way can almost kill a company's finances and brand; ahem = BlackBerry.
If you where on the marketing or finance team and I on the Supply Chain or Manager of Finance or executive I'd have you fired for such a suggestion without deeper thought - on mentioning it a 2nd time. First time I'd have you setup with a meeting to isolate why your idea does not make sound financial, marketing or brand image sense. Kiosk's showing off products would be the brand better, not a retail store.
Retail stores helped rebuild Apple because they where still an 80/20 hardware product company ... they're not a 70/30 if not 60/40. Sony has LOT more services than music ... in fact I'd wager PS4 business is a 50/50 hardware/services company ... one cannot simply exist or sell without the other .. they're synergistic as a business.
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