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Lumia 1020 vs 808 PV vs any potential rival. |
false_morel
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Not to misuse the 1020's thread any further, I think among photography enthusiasts indulging in discussions about the best cameraphone will never end. Even it means that one camera is about an obsolete phone no one would ever get or keep for other than its camera capabilities..
I'll quote some comparison photos from the other thread, mid-day, mostly cloudy:
Originals shot by Steve and posted on AAWP and AAS websites..
While both phones tend to two opposite extremes, a bit ironic coming from the same company one year apart, the best result imo would be somewhere in the middle.
808 going with neutral saturation, low contrast, low sharpness, and keeping noise as minimal as possible, while the 1020 with punchy colors, high contrast, and extreme sharpening leaving no room for noise to be kept invisible..
Out of the two, based on the above photos, I would still go with the 1020 since the 808 delivers soft images in comparison..
As to night photography, with flash on the 808 has the bigger Xenon module and an advantage in this area, but with OIS the 1020 captures better night shots and even outdoor portraits when the background is to be highlighted as well..
To judge which camera renders better detail and noise levels is hard under such extreme different processing. One has eventually to choose between one of the extremes. But I think regardless of which has the slight advantage in this area, features like OIS, SS control, SmartCam, and ability to save both full res and oversampled version together on the 1020 are enough to give it the upper hand.
If anyone has any comparison photos please post them here.. And comments on the photos above are welcome.. | |
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Sonysta
Joined: May 25, 2013
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Here the conclusion of who is actually the best camerafone:
http://pureviewclub.com/2013/17842
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P.S: Since I'm already denouncing moderation to take action!
[ This Message was edited by: Sonysta on 2013-10-07 17:45 ]
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Bonovox
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[ This Message was edited by: hihihans on 2013-10-07 19:32 ] Phone?? What phone?? |
cu015170
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The 808 is in a league of it's own when it comes to raw IQ.. the only reason one would compare it to the 1020 is because the 1020 comes the closest out of any other smartphone.
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wthc
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“The image quality the 1020 is able to muster is pretty impressive. We used Imatest to check its performance at ISO 100, and found its sharpness results to be excellent. At 5-megapixels it manages a solid 2,121 lines per picture height, which is in excess of the 1,800 lines that we require of a sharp photo. At 38-megapixels its score is 2,218 lines.
The 1020 handles noise differently in 38-megapixel and 5-megapixel images. When shooting in the lower resolution, it only manages to keep noise below the 1.5 percent threshold at its base ISO of 100; it jumps to 1.7 percent at ISO 200 and hovers around there through ISO 800. At ISO 1600 the noise jumps to 2 percent, and it hits 2.6 percent at its top sensitivity of ISO 3200. Detail is crisp through ISO 800, and colors are accurate.
In 38-megapixel mode the noise results are a bit different. The 1020 keeps noise below 1.5 percent through ISO 200, and only records 1.6 percent at ISO 400. At higher ISOs, noise is higher than the downsampled photos—1.9 percent at ISO 800, 2.5 percent at 1600, and 3.1 percent at ISO 3200.”
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2422135,00.asp
“We put the N808's camera through our standard testing process, testing the sharpness of the lens at each available resolution using the Imatest software suite. In PureView mode the results were a little softer than we'd like—it scored 1,332 lines per picture height at 3 megapixels, 1,518 lines at 5 megapixels, and 1,681 lines at 8 megapixels. It was only in the full 38-megapixel format that it exceeded the 1,800 lines required for a sharp photo—it scored an impressive 2,088 lines there.
In full-resolution mode the camera is able to keep noise under 1.5 percent through ISO 200 and captures excellent detail at this setting. ISO 400 is a bit noisier at 1.8 percent, but detail remains very good. Noise creeps up to 1.9 percent at ISO 800
The automatic white balance is a little finicky. Shooting outside on a bright day, we framed a shot completely in the shadows and the blue construction barrier we were shooting ended up looking a bit green.”
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406467,00.asp
1020 full resolution: 2,218 lines
808 full resolution: 2,088 lines
1020 at 5mpx: 2,121 lines
808 at 8mpx: 1,681 lines
1020 at 800 iso: noise below 1.5%
808 at 800 iso: noise at 1.9%
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etaab
Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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From: UK - South Yorkshire
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@ false_morel - well done for creating this thread.
Here is an interesting comparison, sadly its still coming soon, but should be a good comparison.
Just from the one example they have in that link, the 1020 is by far the best.
I know theres a few on Esato who still want to the 808 to be number one, but its completely obsolete now. Google don't support it anymore, Nokia don't support it anymore and now other services are slowly shutting down for it, such as the BBC iPlayer.
The 808 is a collectors item, just like my N8.
Check me out on Instagram ! search for etaab ! |
Bonovox
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Phone Arena did a recent blind test of 3 handsets and the 1020 won
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Lumia-1020-beats-the-iPhone-5s-and-Galaxy-S4-by-a-mile-in-our-blind-camera-comparison_id48050
Phone?? What phone?? |
cu015170
Joined: Oct 26, 2010
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My 808 performs as a modern smartphone on a daily basis.. I really don't see what more (in terms of core essential functions) my iPhone 5 can do compared to my 808 
Also, google maps works fine here in the USofA .. at least for now.
On 2013-10-07 13:00:42, false_morel wrote:
And where are these photos?
I opened a dedicated thread for comparing the two cameras.. Feel free to post the photos there..
They are somewhere here.. but.. too lazy to look
Auto ISO
1020
100% crop
808
 [/url
100% crop
1020
[url=http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/nokia/lumia_1020/20130730021366388I.jpg]
100% crop
808
100% crop
1020
100% crop
808
100% crop
[/quote]
ISO LOCKED AT 200
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3737/9405394586_ae2de8458d_o.jpg/
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/9402635859_bef16eda3e_o.jpg
100%
808 (max zoom + flash)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/9402636413_b71a04d56e_o.jpg
100%
1020 (max zoom + flash)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7429/9402634843_3973429aef_o.jpg
808
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/9402634359_f045b2b495_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2838/9405391744_cbc6da2cbc_o.jpg
100%
808
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9402631691_462a894e30_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7287/9402632519_c42216af72_o.jpg
100%
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/9405387750_cee0a7bbfa_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/9405388146_ceaa86ec29_o.jpg
100%
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3683/9405386944_4569aa12e3_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3826/9405387076_d8c81d8e71_o.jpg
100%
808 (flash)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7329/9402628601_1aea28e3e7_o.jpg
1020 (flash) ... seems to be out of focus, and you can see the difference in color reproduction
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2894/9402633809_16b7e61564_o.jpg
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808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/9566867778_3687264db2_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9566867134_051aa89251_o.jpg
100%
This is maximum zoom, which is the same as full resolution. 1:1 PIXEL ratio. Also, the actual zooming is much smoother on the 808 for some reason..
808
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7435/9564075031_cb05371032_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/9566866996_173fba05cb_o.jpg
100%
Here is the xenon shot.. the 808 is more powerful for sure
808
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9566867458_245eb94712_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7426/9566866612_d3d993d1f6_o.jpg
100%
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Have you done any tests for yourself, or are you just expressing baseless opinions ?
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Sylwester
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My 808 is excellent as a car navigation system helps me to work further inform me about speed cameras on the road and it's all free! |
cu015170
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On 2013-10-07 23:16:09, Sylwester wrote:
My 808 is excellent as a car navigation system helps me to work further inform me about speed cameras on the road and it's all free!
The 808 excels at a lot of things  |
etaab
Joined: Jan 23, 2004
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But the 1020 does that also, since it uses the same maps.. for free !
They're both made by Nokia after all..
Check me out on Instagram ! search for etaab ! |
Sonysta
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On 2013-10-07 23:07:46, cu015170 wrote:
My 808 performs as a modern smartphone on a daily basis.. I really don't see what more (in terms of core essential functions) my iPhone 5 can do compared to my 808
Also, google maps works fine here in the USofA .. at least for now.
On 2013-10-07 13:00:42, false_morel wrote:
And where are these photos?
I opened a dedicated thread for comparing the two cameras.. Feel free to post the photos there..
They are somewhere here.. but.. too lazy to look
Auto ISO
1020
100% crop
808
[/url
100% crop
1020
[url=http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/cam/nokia/lumia_1020/20130730021366388I.jpg]
100% crop
808
100% crop
1020
100% crop
808
100% crop
ISO LOCKED AT 200
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3737/9405394586_ae2de8458d_o.jpg/
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7319/9402635859_bef16eda3e_o.jpg
100%
808 (max zoom + flash)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5475/9402636413_b71a04d56e_o.jpg
100%
1020 (max zoom + flash)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7429/9402634843_3973429aef_o.jpg
808
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/9402634359_f045b2b495_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2838/9405391744_cbc6da2cbc_o.jpg
100%
808
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9402631691_462a894e30_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7287/9402632519_c42216af72_o.jpg
100%
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/9405387750_cee0a7bbfa_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/9405388146_ceaa86ec29_o.jpg
100%
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3683/9405386944_4569aa12e3_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3826/9405387076_d8c81d8e71_o.jpg
100%
808 (flash)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7329/9402628601_1aea28e3e7_o.jpg
1020 (flash) ... seems to be out of focus, and you can see the difference in color reproduction
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2894/9402633809_16b7e61564_o.jpg
[/quote]
808
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3811/9566867778_3687264db2_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/9566867134_051aa89251_o.jpg
100%
This is maximum zoom, which is the same as full resolution. 1:1 PIXEL ratio. Also, the actual zooming is much smoother on the 808 for some reason..
808
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7435/9564075031_cb05371032_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/9566866996_173fba05cb_o.jpg
100%
Here is the xenon shot.. the 808 is more powerful for sure
808
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9566867458_245eb94712_o.jpg
100%
1020
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7426/9566866612_d3d993d1f6_o.jpg
100%
[/quote]
Have you done any tests for yourself, or are you just expressing baseless opinions ?
[ This Message was edited by: cu015170 on 2013-10-07 22:16 ]
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Thanks again for sharing !
It's always nice to see the opinion of someone who really knows what is photography... From someone who actually has had in hand 1020 and 808 !
For me and for those who have good vision and understand at least a bit of photography, no doubt... 808 is much better than 1020 !
Soon I'll post also a quick comparison between the Moto X, 1020, 808 and S4 Zoom ! |
cu015170
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Relevant:
http://forums.wpcentral.com/n[....]-808-symbian-lumia-1020-a.html |
wthc
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
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cu015170, you have “randomly”compared the 808 at 160 iso and 1020 at 250 iso, 808 at 125 iso vs. 1020 at 320, 808 at 250 iso vs. 1020 at 500. Surely a fair shake!
From dpreview we can see how look like the 1020 at 200 iso:
100% crop
http://connect.dpreview.com/f[....]posts/5234892048/samplelo1.jpg
A “little” better than all your shot at 200 iso. Strange...shaky hands? 
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Sonysta
Joined: May 25, 2013
Posts: 198
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Great credibility... Opinion from a guy who never had in hand the 808 and 1020... Please have one 808 and one 1020 and only after opine about something !
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