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Xajel
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Yeah I know about the APQ8064 being in 1H13, but what the 1H13 will differ than 2H13 ? and other things more than just the SoC used...
APQ8064 is almost like MSM8960T but with 4 cores instead of 2 and lacks cell modem, other changes just more for being a quad core instead of dual core ( higher L2 cache + support faster memory )
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Karun
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@Xajel
Well since a seperate cell module will have to be added alongwith the APQ8064, it will not be as efficient as say an integrated soc, although I'd say Sony will do a swell job. The other rumour suggest that h2 devices will have 2GB of RAM onboard. No other info atm. Probably tighter Sony integration and we'll see more proprietary Sony technology in the later half devices.
if the rumours are true, we might see 5 inch screen devices become the norm, a tad too big for me.
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Xajel
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@Karun
The problem is I can't see a QuadCore Krait with cell modem from Qualcomm, maybe the die will be too large even for 28nm... so I guess if this is the case then all Quads from Sony in 2013 will be a dual chip solution ( APQ8064 + MDM9615 )... and from randomuser 2013 devices will have more technologies from Sony such as S-LCD2 in the high-end side and also might introduce xOLED type of displays...
Even more, there's no A15 quad + modem in any other SoC maker, this makes me believe the point of the die size or power consumption issue... we might see this solution in 20nm SoC later in 2014...
Also; all native A15 dual and quad are late compared to Krait cores that's why you don't see any Dual A15 cores from TI, STE, NVidia or even Samsung... the only ready is Samsung Exynos 5 Dual ( Dual 1.7GHz A15 cores ) but it has been just announced and is available from 2Q12 so devices which uses this SoC are still in development while Qualcomm Krait Dual are already in the market from several months now !! so not to mention Quad A15 !! Qualcomm is way ahead this time compared to A15...
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randomuser
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1H Flagship models will have 1.5 ghz APQ8064 S4 Quad without modem, 2H flagships will be powered by Qualcomm MSM8974 2.5ghz Quad Core with beefier Adreno 320 and integrated LTE modem
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stedus
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On 2012-09-03 10:20:10, randomuser wrote:
1H Flagship models will have 1.5 ghz APQ8064 S4 Quad without modem, 2H flagships will be powered by Qualcomm MSM8974 2.5ghz Quad Core with beefier Adreno 320 and integrated LTE modem
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2012-09-03 09:20 ]
Randomuser, what about the Display?? are they going to use S-LCD2 from JMD or OLED display that they bought from AUO???
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Rubenos
Joined: Jun 06, 2012
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And now it will become and endless wait for me. The T is beautifull for me, but I want de best, but my X10 is really done. I want something faster STAT! On the other side I would like a Krait Quad... So to choose between bond phone and 2.5GHZ I'll wait for CES I think  . |
Xajel
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MSM8974 ? wow this thing is a beast... A QuadCore Krait @ 2.0-2.5GHz and it can handle 1080p @60Hz and support up to 30MP camera, not to mention dual channel LP-DDR3 @ 667-800MHz...
this thing worth the wait more than 1H13 models, I'll take the Xperia T when my contract finish... I hope reviews comes sooner than later 
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-XYZ
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On 2012-09-03 09:54:41, Xajel wrote:
@Karun
The problem is I can't see a QuadCore Krait with cell modem from Qualcomm, maybe the die will be too large even for 28nm... so I guess if this is the case then all Quads from Sony in 2013 will be a dual chip solution ( APQ8064 + MDM9615 )... and from randomuser 2013 devices will have more technologies from Sony such as S-LCD2 in the high-end side and also might introduce xOLED type of displays...
Even more, there's no A15 quad + modem in any other SoC maker, this makes me believe the point of the die size or power consumption issue... we might see this solution in 20nm SoC later in 2014...
Also; all native A15 dual and quad are late compared to Krait cores that's why you don't see any Dual A15 cores from TI, STE, NVidia or even Samsung... the only ready is Samsung Exynos 5 Dual ( Dual 1.7GHz A15 cores ) but it has been just announced and is available from 2Q12 so devices which uses this SoC are still in development while Qualcomm Krait Dual are already in the market from several months now !! so not to mention Quad A15 !! Qualcomm is way ahead this time compared to A15...
A15 is more advanced than Krait. Krait is somewhere inbetween A9 and A15.
So as far as I know it should go something like this; A15 > Krait > A9 |
randomuser
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@Aurelius
Since you visited Lund recently I'm sure you would have heard about the MSM8974 equipped model, would you like to share more info about it?
As I have no more info than what I have already posted, and others don't seem interested in sharing info I hope you do share some new info.
@stedus
From the leaked rumors, the first half range will use JMD screens and 2H or maybe end Q3-Q4 2013 models will have OLED screens. I am guessing there may be a model with lower resolution OLED in 1H like qHD but nothing more.
@Rubenos
Did you get any info on 2013 devices from your source?
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stedus
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@ranomduser, thx for your info
Now, i can buy the Xperia V and wait for the Q3~4 2013 flagship )
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Rubenos
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@randomuser:
Ofcourse not  |
Xajel
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@-XYZ
Sure, A15 is higher than Krait but differences are not that much, infact A9 was better than Scorpion by a larger margin than A15 compared to Krait...
All numbers are in DMIPS/MHz
A8 : 2.0
Scorpion : 2.1
A9 : 2.5
Krait : 3.3
A15 : 3.5
ofcourse DMIPS/MHz is not a direct comparision to real world performance but it gives you an overview of it...
So clock speed different between both Krait and A15 will give you better idea, but the fact that A15 is using deeper pipelines means ability to be clocked higher, but this will affect power consumption... but for now Krait seems to have 1.5GHz standard for dual core, while A15 might start with 1.7GHz ( the Exynos 5 Dual ) so in the first A15 is a little bit faster than Krait clock-by-clock but it can also go faster... it will all depend on power consumption comparison between them as if A15 consumes more power then some makers might use lower clocked version to have lower power consumption
So Krait is a little bit slower but came to the market much earlier, later we might see higher clocked versions of Krait after mastering process technology or moving to 20nm
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motvikt
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My next phone will have ste 9600, a real a15 design with rogue graphics. Never liked qualcomm!
Also unknown13x said bravia engine 2 is rebranded white magic, at least on the xperia V |
randomuser
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On 2012-09-03 11:36:58, motvikt wrote:
My next phone will have ste 9600, a real a15 design with rogue graphics. Never liked qualcomm!
Also unknown13x said bravia engine 2 is rebranded white magic, at least on the xperia V
That's a BEAST no doubt.  |
TeknoBoi90
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I have that feeling, too - it seems to me that V (Tsubasa) came earlier than expected, in fact it has even better specs than the assumed flagship T... anyway, looking at the famous "indian roadmap", anyone knows something about Atlas and Olive? were they cancelled, weren't they?
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