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zub
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On 2011-01-09 06:08:30, >500 wrote:
@synn
sadly, spec sheets are what most seem to care about these days. They seem to forget that if the software side of things...
Even with out dual care, bla bla bla, if the software has been implemented properly (ie, written to ensure you get the most of the hardware) theres no reason why phones like the ARC, PSP phone etc cant run smoothly...
Even with the most advanced hardware, if the software isnt right, then that hardware wont work too well!!!
i am not a spec sheet whore man 
heck i would be happy with a 600MHz CPU/GPU combo as long as its attuned and made for gaming. qualcomm/adreno is just standard android phone hardware. heck i'd be happy with 256mb ram if i knew the whole device was made from the ground up for gaming purposes. in MY OPINION, MY VIEW, it just seems like  came up with a brilliant overdue concept, the psphone, then just got lazy, stuck a gamepad on to the end of standard android phone hardware. For great gaming performance i believe you need optimized and specialised software AND hardware for a total true experience. tell me what hardware (bar the hardware controller  ) are developing specifically for this gaming device? its just arc with controller attached. ofcourse you have the ps pocket software on pshone but i bet you any money that can be hacked and ported over to arc, bet then you wont have the controller ofcourse  , but you get my point.
hope change some things at least.
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zub
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PlayStation Phone sized up with numerous devices in another in-depth Chinese preview
http://www.engadget.com/2011/[....]erous-devices-in-another-in-d/
http://android.tgbus.com/lab/hardware/201101/338957.shtml
you gotta say the best looking thing there is the original psp1000 pure sexyness!
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synn
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im sorry but last time i checked this was an ANDROID gaming device, right? you really think developers will just stop with every other device and just start coding games for the psphone? and if you read my posts properly you would see i clearly wrote that "yes games made for the psphone would probably run great". but i was looking at the bigger picture! a truely mobile gaming device! perhaps i missed something and maybe this phone was'nt meant to be that?
Yes. I do believe developers would write games just for this. It's probably one of the reasons why this device took so long to materialize.
Anyone can tack on some hardware controls and call it a day. Hell, even my Milestone has a D pad which works fine for several games However, Sony is a content company too and part of developing such a device is to get content creators like Polyphony (Owned by Sony), Capcom etc. on board to create exclusive titles. Have you noticed how this phone's resolution is exactly twice as that of the PSP? You haven't, because unlike what you claim to do, you have missed the big picture.
Hell, I'll go out on a limb to say that this phone wasn't announced at CES because there already were a lot of Sony announcements and they probably wanted a standalone event to announce the device as well as the platform and the launch titles.
Did you not notice the Playstation Pocket UI in the previews? It suggests that this has something that is totally independent of the Android OS (and exclusive to this device). It's an Android phone PLUS a gaming platform.
again, i dont think you read my posts correctly. i would be happy if they implemented a cpu/gpu architecture similar to that of the psp, i know its so little hardware but does great things, but you forget this is completely different architecture specifically attuned to gaming! which i feel the psphone should have! hardware for gaming! and qualcomm/adreno is not really, its just standard android phone hardware. am i wrong in this?
Yes, you are WRONG. You are too fixated on "Standard Android hardware". The PSP has a RISC based processor and so does this phone. It doesn't matter if this processor has been used in other devices. It's a blank template upon which you can build the device you want.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON CODING. JEEZ!
ALL handheld devices are built upon similar SoCs and how they perform depends on the code written for them.
im sorry you feel that way. im just responded to people views, as you are now. and im discussing the rumoured psphone, is'nt that allowed?
i feel there are too many people here who are too much in love with and whenever someone says something about that may not be in the best light, then he gets whacked. i'm sorry if i've offended anyone, but maybe im just trying to see the bigger picture here, i like , but i am also ready to criticize where i think they are going wrong. Problem?
You are not discussing, you are pushing your ill-informed opinions repeatedly. Like most people on the internet, you are too obsessed with paper specs when that's only a part of the final experience. If you don't know something well, it's better to keep quiet until you can learn more about it with first hand experiences.
I am not "In love with" Sony Ericsson. I have a woman in my life for that, thank you. I use a Moto Milestone, have no intention to buy this device (I'll get the PSP2 proper) or any Android phone in the future. I'm just presenting the facts as they are because; get this: I can think with a level head.
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>500
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@zub
My post wasn't really directed at you. Was in response to synn's post. Nothing more. Just my general feelings
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jplacson
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Sigh, I was hoping for a 2.5" hires 640x480 screen and much thinner version for the mini pro. Oh well, let's see what the official new line up will be. 
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argiriano
Joined: Jun 16, 2004
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From: Bulgaria
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I don`t understand why PSP phone is defined as thick phone?
It have 4" screen, camera with stereo microphones, stereo speakers, slider form factor with dedicated hardware buttons and it`s back curved ergonomically for both hand gaming while it`s just 14mm thick. X10 is 12mm and most of the phones which aren`t sliders are around that... so where is the thickness?
After seeing Chinese preview I have to say I find Xperia Play pretty good device. I`m not into mobile gaming and this phone isn`t in my interest for buying, but still I`m kinda interested in it.
Yeah, X-Play don`t have dual, quad or more cores running at 2 or more Ghz, don`t have 4GB or more RAM and stuff like that to impress 2 or 3 people around here and there, but still this device may be success if only Sony and SonyEricsson made things smarter this time around and work even closer with dedication and support of this platform. And as I see form the Arc presentation they actually doing it... so the near future will tell us the truth.
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argiriano
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On 2011-01-09 09:20:58, jplacson wrote:
Sigh, I was hoping for a 2.5" hires 640x480 screen and much thinner version for the mini pro. Oh well, let's see what the official new line up will be.
I think it would definitely be slimmer than x10 mini... even PSP phone is slimmer than x10 mini. |
hihihans
Joined: Mar 15, 2009
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From: Netherlands
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I know psp phone takes all the attention. But what is there to tell abouts the new mini pro duo? Is there any news about what camera is inside?
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c96sthl
Joined: Mar 31, 2002
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On 2011-01-09 06:08:30, >500 wrote:
@synn
sadly, spec sheets are what most seem to care about these days. They seem to forget that if the software side of things...
Even with out dual care, bla bla bla, if the software has been implemented properly (ie, written to ensure you get the most of the hardware) theres no reason why phones like the ARC, PSP phone etc cant run smoothly...
Even with the most advanced hardware, if the software isnt right, then that hardware wont work too well!!!
I can't agree more....all this thing used to happen in Computer and now its spread to mobile phone...people just want to get the fastest, greatest spec into the machine but forgotten due to many reason...software might not able to catch up with it.
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avmaxfan
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
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On 2011-01-09 11:15:35, c96sthl wrote:
On 2011-01-09 06:08:30, >500 wrote:
@synn
sadly, spec sheets are what most seem to care about these days. They seem to forget that if the software side of things...
Even with out dual care, bla bla bla, if the software has been implemented properly (ie, written to ensure you get the most of the hardware) theres no reason why phones like the ARC, PSP phone etc cant run smoothly...
Even with the most advanced hardware, if the software isnt right, then that hardware wont work too well!!!
I can't agree more....all this thing used to happen in Computer and now its spread to mobile phone...people just want to get the fastest, greatest spec into the machine but forgotten due to many reason...software might not able to catch up with it.
Who said so ? Did you check the video demo of the Moto Atrix capabilities ? It is so powerful that it has narrowed the gap between a smartphone and a laptop. Dual core is no marketing gimmick. And for those who think it is, let's wait a few months and see if your opinion remains the same or not.
I hope will launch its dual core phone soon enough and not play the catch up game all over again |
Xajel
Joined: Jun 18, 2004
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From: Bahrain
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I don't know, but I think the Xperia Play thickness comes mainly from nice high-capacity battery... you know such a device will consume a lot while gaming !!
maybe a minimum of 1500mAh ( like Arc ) is required for such a device and I know even 1500mAh is not enough considering how much gaming consumes power !!
the psp go battery is 980mAh ( original was 1800mAh, slim was 1200mAh. but Go has better & newer hardware that consumes less power + more power saving features ), I choosed this coz it is the closest to Xperia Play ( no UMD disc )... in any way even with that there's a lot of differenet... PSP is a device that is built for games, so spec. might not seems high but games are free to use most of it, same as Playstation, XBox, Wii, etc... in non-gaming platform ( PC, mobile phones ) the OS take a lot of hardware resources so you need higher spec. to get the same experience as of a dedicated game console/device...
all PSP's comes with a Sony CPU based on MIPS tech. and works at 333MHz (actually works at lower 222MHz )... compared to 1GHz on Xperia Play. GPU in another hand is another story...
screen resolution is lower same as screen size ( 3.8" in PSP Go )
even with these low spec. compared to Xperia Play rumoured spec.'s the battery life in PSP Go is still low at 3-6 Hours of playing, thats on that much less than Xperia Play hardware...
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Ultimus
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On 2011-01-09 01:31:59, zub wrote:
now i know you say it is specialised gaming device, optimized, etc but i dont believe this, how is this optimized in any hardware spec way? it is qualcomm/adreno ffs, same as HTS desire HD and Desire Z, imo this does not qualify as optimized for gaming. yes you can optimize software to better run on such hardware but you'll hit limits way sooner. for example you can re-map an ECU on a car to get more HP but very soon you'll hit a limit and you have to now buy and add new parts and hardware.
For me this specs for psphone looks like a 2010 spec android phone with gamepad attached, that is all. i was really really hoping for some hardware spec attuned to real gaming. it would be better if made a gaming device first then added phone support, but this one they have made a normal mediocre android phone then added a gamepad.
Fair enough. Thanks for responding and true, my assumptions are based on some speculation as well. And of course, the more powerful hardware, the better, although power consumption and price are important too.
But, one thing to add that I didn't see anyone mention yet: It is a fact that Google optimized Android 2.3 for gaming, so that games (or any apps) can access the GPU more directly. With the Xperia Play being Android 2.3 out of the box, all of the exclusive games can be optimized much more.
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io_bg
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
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From: Bourgas, Bulgaria
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On 2011-01-09 10:27:18, argiriano wrote:
I don`t understand why PSP phone is defined as thick phone?
It have 4" screen, camera with stereo microphones, stereo speakers, slider form factor with dedicated hardware buttons and it`s back curved ergonomically for both hand gaming while it`s just 14mm thick.
IIRC, the Xperia play is 17 mm thick which is quite a lot. I hope this'll let them put bigger battery. |
pavlov's_dog
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Fact: the Xperia Play is only 14mm thick...which is very thin for a slider. |
Shino03
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On 2011-01-08 07:08:24, Alihosny wrote:
i think th 8.1 exmor r sensor in the arc makes it image centric device.
only samples from the camera will show if it can face the n8's great cam.crossing fingers.
it would be great if there is a reduced (in size) version of the phone with the same exmor r sensor like a 3.5" version.make it and i am sold.
[ This Message was edited by: Alihosny on 2011-01-08 06:16 ]
I don't think that the Xperia arc is the next high-end image centric device. First, it doesn't have a proper flash(Xenon). 2nd, although 8mp is enough, I'm sure that the next satio will have 12mp or 16mp. 3rd, it seems to me that is not much advertising its camera capabilities(except for the exmor part) that they didn't bother to put an 8mp logo on its back.
But I'm happy that we can now enjoy exmor and bravia technologies which were japan only before 
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