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Why is there such a big lack of xenon? |
Bonovox
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On 2010-10-06 19:11:49, mriley wrote:
But phones can have LED 'flashes' (they aren't really flashes imo) and a xenon flash too.
I think most phones don't have xenon because it adds a lot of weight to the phones and adds cost of production. Led flashes are terrible in comparison.
The one advantage of some LED's is they can be used as a video light in recording mode in darkness
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jplacson
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And a flashlight 
I'm not too fond of using a flash on a camera... Never use the one on my dslr, nor my point and shoot. Makes photos look flat.
I'd rather they increase the sensitivity or maybe give us night shot/ ir instead.
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mriley
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But you can't compare LED to xenon, LED is just a light that comes on whilst you take the photo, it doesn't flash at all.
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Bonovox
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Oh no of course you can't
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goldenface
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I really miss the flash on my C905, it's falling to bits now so I don't take it out much at all but even dual flash is no substitute for Xenon no matter which way you look at it but it's best to have both.
Could the reason for there being no Xenon be the size? The capacitor is the biggest part of the Xenon unit and most high end phones are getting thinner and thinner.
I would definitely buy an Android based 8.0MP shooter with Xenon.
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Bonovox
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 will eventually release another decent Xenon based phone cam cos of newer phones lie the N8 too
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xnuo
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the only use of LEDs for me now is as a backup flashlight. otherwise, xenon will allways be the way to go...
apple still thinks that making minor updates to their phones is the way to do bussines, and it looks to be that way, since people don't complain about their lack of Xenon in 2010...
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alenn
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if the phone is too huge and with a xenon flash that will drain the battery instantly(especially for touchscreen phones) |
shaliron
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From what I know the main reason is because xenon flashes require (relatively) large capacitors which are extremely difficult to fit in with the trend to make phones slim slim slim. And really that's it. Sucks doesn't it?
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goldenface
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I'm thinking of getting another C905 one just for the Xenon and multitude of cam features. LED just doesn't cut it - I can't say I've taken one good indoor pic with my X10 in all the time I've had it.
SE should release another camphone with Xenon. From K800i - to C905, they all were major sellers and it's not as if people are not buying featurephones anymore. Let them bring out a feature phone with 8.0MP and improved optics and I'm sure people will lap it up. Leave out the touch screen (there will always be a market for people requiring a physical keypad), base it on A200, just up the processor and improve the optics.
This craze for thinner and thinner phones won't last for ever - there is only so thin a phone can be they start snapping like twigs.
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On 2010-11-25 16:17:20, goldenface wrote:
I really miss my C905, I'm thinking of getting another one just for the Xenon and multitude of cam features. LED just doesn't cut it - I can't say I've taken one good indoor pic with my X10 in all the time I've had it.
SE should release another camphone with Xenon. From K800i - to C905, they all were major sellers and it's not as if people are not buying featurephones anymore. Let them bring out a feature phone with 8.0MP and improved optics and I'm sure people will lap it up. Leave out the touch screen (there will always be a market for people requiring a physical keypad), base it on A200, just up the processor and improve the optics.
This craze for thinner and thinner phones won't last for ever - there is only so thin a phone can be they start snapping like twigs.
you are right. i am too waiting for a mobile which would be a successor of K850i(bar type) and c905(slider) and the hardware also should be improved for fast processing.
my wish is to get a mobile which is a combo of (C905 + Hazel) in 2011 q1.
right now my k850i serves for all lighting conditions except the processor is slow for today's market. so i need a hazel like mobile with xenon flash. hope will make a note of it. |
shaliron
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I've always felt the underrated C901 is the perfect feature phone/camera phone. Wasn't really an SE flagship, and to some it might be considered pretty plain, but it is a solid and well featured phone—and of course a xenon flash! But I suppose a 13mm body is much to fat nowadays! 
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mriley
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It is good, but not perfect 
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shaliron
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On 2010-11-26 16:05:40, mriley wrote:
It is good, but not perfect
Touche.
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Having an odd problem with the LED-flash on the X10 Mini this vinter.
Using the flash it creates vapour when it's some -15° C outdoor. The first photo gets ruined by vapor and hence blurring or hide what you want to photo, even a second photo some times get ruined too.
Would a Xenon flash also heating up the air like a LED.
At summertime I'm more often carrying a proper camera with me. |
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