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carkitter
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Windows Phone 7 won't run current Mobile applications
7:44 AM Monday Mar 8, 2010
NEW YORK - Microsoft has said its new software for smart phones, Windows Phone 7 series, is a "clean break" with the past.
Now it's clear just how clean that break is: The new phones, expected late this year, won't run any applications written for older versions of Microsoft's phone software.
In a blog post, Microsoft executive Charlie Kindel, who handles contact with outside software developers, said that jettisoning support for older applications was necessary to make the new operating system as powerful and user-friendly as possible.
The news leaves software developers with a dilemma: they can write applications for Windows Mobile 6.5, which will soon be a dead end, or they can write for Windows Phone 7, which isn't coming out until later this year.
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Will WM 6.5 soon be a dead end?  has yet to release the Aspen and that would be expected to have a model life of 9 -18 months. The X2 is still new and not considered to be completely outdated yet is it?
With WP7S pushing XBOX compatibility, will SONY/SE be so quick to jump on board the new platform? Will they stick with the 'dead end' platform? Has the decision already been made hence continuing to release phones like the Aspen?
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Nanu
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Haven't Microsoft said they plan to continue to produce models running 6.5 for those that would prefer to stay with the old platform? I'm sure I read something along those lines last week I'll see if I can find the snippet
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hihihans
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A real microsoft move. Make older software useless, so everyone needs to buy upgrades 
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mediar
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They had the same policy about Windows Vista, and it was a failure.
The best mobile phone brand died with Sony Ericsson's death. Shame on you Sony for killing it! And, of course, for ruining the Xperia brand... Mediar's Site |
Tsepz_GP
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Whats the Vivaz got to do with WM related things? Or do they mean Aspen?
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carkitter
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On 2010-03-08 09:24:18, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Whats the Vivaz got to do with WM related things? Or do they mean Aspen?
You're right I did mean Aspen not Vivaz (which is Symbian OS).
On 2010-03-08 01:07:03, hihihans wrote:
A real microsoft move. Make older software useless, so everyone needs to buy upgrades
Everyone uses Windows, not everyone uses WM. Besides, phones are replaced more often than PCs so it hardly matters. However, if WM users are upgrading their choice of hardware and are unlikely to be able to reuse their current apps, Microsoft may lose those customers to Apple or Android. Quite a risk to take I would have thought.
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doministry
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On 2010-03-08 12:08:51, carkitter wrote:
On 2010-03-08 09:24:18, GUCCI.011 wrote:
Whats the Vivaz got to do with WM related things? Or do they mean Aspen?
You're right I did mean Aspen not Vivaz (which is Symbian OS).
On 2010-03-08 01:07:03, hihihans wrote:
A real microsoft move. Make older software useless, so everyone needs to buy upgrades
Everyone uses Windows, not everyone uses WM. Besides, phones are replaced more often than PCs so it hardly matters. However, if WM users are upgrading their choice of hardware and are unlikely to be able to reuse their current apps, Microsoft may lose those customers to Apple or Android. Quite a risk to take I would have thought.
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2010-03-08 11:17 ]
I must disagree on this one.
You think Microsoft is that stupid they cannot make such a simple assumption?
Well they're wiser than we think.
In terms of market share: things have just begun regarding our hightech devices.
Now smartphones with operating systems are just a little bit
of all mobiles sold worldwide.
But all the makers fight to have the biggest part of
what is coming actually in the next few years!
So they may loose some users now but in the future, if the platform
is attractive, they'll gain 10 or 20 times more users.
Unfortunately the biggest sales are amongst "consumers",
not "professionals".
So cutting all the older WM limitations now
is the best choice
to have completely redesigned new platform
when things will "explode"
I don't think you could endlessly build future hightech platform
on old WM kernel...
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Lightspeed_x
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I agree with doministry, its better to build a platform from scratch and make it more user friendly/powerful or whatever MS wants to do with it, than stalling development due to an old OS support.
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carkitter
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On 2010-03-08 20:13:26, doministry wrote:
You think Microsoft is that stupid they cannot make such a simple assumption?
Well they're wiser than we think...
I know they're not stupid; I use windows 7
On 2010-03-08 20:13:26, doministry wrote:
...In terms of market share: things have just begun regarding our hightech devices.
Now smartphones with operating systems are just a little bit
of all mobiles sold worldwide.
But all the makers fight to have the biggest part of
what is coming actually in the next few years!
So they may loose some users now but in the future, if the platform
is attractive, they'll gain 10 or 20 times more users...
It is a common misconception that 'soon everyone will be using a smartphone'. It's just not true.
And here's the reason why:
On 2010-03-08 20:13:26, doministry wrote:
...Unfortunately the biggest sales are amongst "consumers",
not "professionals"...
Nail -> Head
My ex, after having used a Samsung Z400v 3G phone with video calling, slideshow wallpaper, document readers and slide form factor along with my old V800 and having sampled my iPhone 3G has just gone back to a candybar call/txt phone. Why? Because I'm not there to supply her with a decent phone. She was always uncomfortable with full-featured phones, scared stiff of smartphones and there are millions like her all over the world.
Can't change it, you just have to accept it.
On 2010-03-08 20:13:26, doministry wrote:
So cutting all the older WM limitations now
is the best choice
to have completely redesigned new platform
when things will "explode"
I don't think you could endlessly build future hightech platform
on old WM kernel...
I don't think its the best choice for users who want the Aspen/Blackberry/E-Series form factor and productivity apps.
I think it is the best choice if Microsoft wants to compete with iPhone and Aino (Playstation integration). If Microsoft goes this way exclusively, they will likely alienate their existing business focused market. All I can say is that they had better get a lot of sales from XBOX 360 owners to justify the move.
WM is a 'bird in the hand', WP7S is the proverbial 'two in the bush'. Personally I don't see why they can't do both.
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doministry
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On 2010-03-08 23:27:51, carkitter wrote:
My ex, after having used a Samsung Z400v 3G phone with video calling, slideshow wallpaper, document readers and slide form factor along with my old V800 and having sampled my iPhone 3G has just gone back to a candybar call/txt phone. Why? Because I'm not there to supply her with a decent phone. She was always uncomfortable with full-featured phones, scared stiff of smartphones and there are millions like her all over the world.
Can't change it, you just have to accept it.
Disagree here still.
I'm not saying EVERYONE will use smartphones.
But we can bet that in coming years smartphones marketshare will grow from these 10% now (about)
to about 40% or even more.
"Can't change it, you just have to accept it."
You either.
You could laugh 5 years ago about laptop in every home.
Now everybody has that no matter how much one is advanced in technology...
I think the same will happen to smartphones.
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badassmam
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WP7 had to be made from scratch for the sake of making a pretty OS. They have looked at the competition and you can see this with Facebook/Twitter integration for example, its all embedded and easily accessible like the X10. Its a more competitive package from MS for sure. The older 6.5 will still have support but with WP7, they are grearing up for a big change. I think they will go full force into 'Apps' which is why there is a standardised resolution, XBox, Zune and other things that they could cash in on. I know developers are peeved and having used WP7, I would imagine its harder to manipulate because its more of a phone and less of a computer like 6.5 for example. I hope its not going to offer less customisation for it to be simpler, I didn't know where to look for Task Manager or how to look to C: or memory card for example. It may not have been in the demo unit but I hope we are still able to access these. I don't want to lose certain aspects of the old OS, not sure how everyone else feels though. |
Fredbenjami
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Phone providers compete in part by providing support for as many applications as they can, and everyone is trying to catch up to Apple Inc.'s successful App Store, which has more than 100,000 applications. Microsoft is leaving behind tens of thousands of applications written for different versions of Windows Mobile that go back more than a decade.Few of those applications are up to today's standards. They're also designed for phones that came with styluses for precise input. Windows Phone 7 Series is designed for touch screens that work well with fingers but don't work with fine styluses.
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jms2367
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i am currently using a WM phone right now. there are lots of leaked builds for custom roms based on wm6.5.3. the start button are now placed in the bottom and the UI is definitely more finger friendly. but in this development itself, there lots of applications designed for the classic UI with the start button on top that doesn't work well. also even if the UI is finger friendly, most early applications designed for WM (as posted above) are designed not for finger input but with the use of the stylus. so it is sort of logical that WP7 series will not support the old applications because it is based on a different kernel and the applications must be designed (for WP7) for easy touch input.
but as posted by carkitter, i agree that it may not be a wise move to alienate the current old WM users (and developers) by abandoning this platform but to continue the development with both. |
DrewVL
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I think MS move is in the right direction. WM6 is a failure so moving forward with a brand new shiny OS and start from there will benefit MS and consumers in the long run.
With WM7, MS will target the high end mobile and business (this means when WM7 phone release it will have nice killer specs) in addition MS want to grab the mobile gaming pie chart which i think iphone doing very well as of today.
I myself was anxiously waiting for WM7 to release, so far i know Toshiba TG03, LG Appollo, HTC Obsession (which i think it's Diamond 3-should be available during fall season) Samsung Omnia 3 and SE Xperia 3 (not the x10) will carry this shiny OS and their spec is drooling!
Here is the updated news
http://www.gsmarena.com/windo[....]an_htc_hd3_rumor-news-1513.php
http://pocketnow.com/
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doministry
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This is the VERY BAD news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=14342#idc-container
It means we will all get stupid Apple's idea of "smartphone":
limited as much as possible.
If it will be true of course....
NO GO for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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