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volvoman
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OK just got my Satio. Was using a N97 but after numerous issues with that piece of cxxp voda exchanged it for a satio. Still have the N97 as they have not snt a jiffy bag to return it yet, and I have noticed that the Satio does not have voice dialling, nor does it have a feature I use on both the C905 and the N97 which is say callers name, very handy when driving or out and about with headfones or BT headset on. Is it just my voda branded handset which does not have this or is it the same for all satio's.
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It is all Satio's that do not have voice dial which is so stupid. Why SE have not put simple things like voice dial , or EQ or enabled manual editing of the text dictionary is beyond understanding. Oh and wait till you text . Nightmare. If you add a full stop after a word the word changes. It never remembers common used words so you will forever be changing them and every so often key touch vibrate will stop then kick back in seconds later and almost shake the phone out of your hand. SE really made a mess of this phone software. |
volvoman
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It is not just the satio that is like this the N97 is just the same.
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Vit
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That´s more SE nonsense. I´ve had voice calling (through both voice synthesization and recognition) on my old N82. There was no need to record voice commands, it simply would recognize anyone´s voices. I thought that it would be a common thing to all S60 Symbian phones, but even Rikard (the man behind the Official Satio Launch Blog) didn´t know what I was talking about. I wonder if the people in charge of developing SE devices are actually up for the job of doing so. They kno s**t about the systems they work with or about the competition (or perhaps they simply ignore it). They care only about the basics. Even so, from time to time I have to restart my Satio due to a freezed camera after taking a macro shot with the flash on. I love SE cameras and their handsets appearance, but in terms of services, responsiveness to consumer feedback, application development and usability, Nokia is many miles ahead. I just wish they had a decent camera phone to rival SE again.
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The Symbian S60 is an entirely new track for SonyEricsson and it seems that there is very little communication between the development departments, since many features in the traditional SonyEricsson A2 operating system are simply not there in S60. Due to the bad times with economic crises etc, SonyEricsson has cut down on their personnel also, and maybe they sacked the wrong persons, those who knew something about the systems. Salses and marketing persons may have been considered more important than the techicians. |
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On 2010-01-15 01:41:36, Vit wrote:
That´s more SE nonsense. I´ve had voice calling (through both voice synthesization and recognition) on my old N82. There was no need to record voice commands, it simply would recognize anyone´s voices. I thought that it would be a common thing to all S60 Symbian phones, but even Rikard (the man behind the Official Satio Launch Blog) didn´t know what I was talking about. I wonder if the people in charge of developing SE devices are actually up for the job of doing so. They kno s**t about the systems they work with or about the competition (or perhaps they simply ignore it). They care only about the basics. Even so, from time to time I have to restart my Satio due to a freezed camera after taking a macro shot with the flash on. I love SE cameras and their handsets appearance, but in terms of services, responsiveness to consumer feedback, application development and usability, Nokia is many miles ahead. I just wish they had a decent camera phone to rival SE again.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2010-01-15 00:46 ]
Well maybe there are one or two items missing from the Satio, that are in other S60 devices, but as for Nokia being miles ahead, then why is it, that Nokia are unable to rectify the issues in the N97 and allowed the device to be released with issues such as the sponge missing which effected the GPS, and the camera lens cover issue, let alone the software issues is beyound me. At least SE only took a week or so to rectify the main Satio issues, Nokia have had several updates and still the phone is no better, infact in my case as with my sons phone, the update has made the phones unusable, and because of this Vodafone have replaced them both with Satio's, which we are both very happy with.
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Vit
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On 2010-01-15 15:00:20, volvoman wrote:
On 2010-01-15 01:41:36, Vit wrote:
That´s more SE nonsense. I´ve had voice calling (through both voice synthesization and recognition) on my old N82. There was no need to record voice commands, it simply would recognize anyone´s voices. I thought that it would be a common thing to all S60 Symbian phones, but even Rikard (the man behind the Official Satio Launch Blog) didn´t know what I was talking about. I wonder if the people in charge of developing SE devices are actually up for the job of doing so. They kno s**t about the systems they work with or about the competition (or perhaps they simply ignore it). They care only about the basics. Even so, from time to time I have to restart my Satio due to a freezed camera after taking a macro shot with the flash on. I love SE cameras and their handsets appearance, but in terms of services, responsiveness to consumer feedback, application development and usability, Nokia is many miles ahead. I just wish they had a decent camera phone to rival SE again.
Well maybe there are one or two items missing from the Satio, that are in other S60 devices, but as for Nokia being miles ahead, then why is it, that Nokia are unable to rectify the issues in the N97 and allowed the device to be released with issues such as the sponge missing which effected the GPS, and the camera lens cover issue, let alone the software issues is beyound me. At least SE only took a week or so to rectify the main Satio issues, Nokia have had several updates and still the phone is no better, infact in my case as with my sons phone, the update has made the phones unusable, and because of this Vodafone have replaced them both with Satio's, which we are both very happy with.
First things first. I wrote about many areas were Nokia is better than SE, but I haven't taken reliability into account. Even so, you are talking about the N97, and that's one particular model. If we were to talk about the overall reliability of Nokia's line up, perhaps it's still some miles ahead of SE. Everyone knows that SE has had several buggy and badly designed phones, too.
Now back to what I was on about. One or two missing items? All Nokia S60 phones, besides having several greater built in apps than SE devices, have many more apps developed specifically for them, and many of those are done by Nokia itself. That's undeniably 10x0 for it against SE. Comes with Music, OVI Store, Nokia OVI Maps,... I guess you haven't tried to dig up all the goodies in Nokia phones so far, and don't come up with the fact that it's even possible to install Nokia Maps and other Nokia apps on the Satio because it's only true via an illegal way, through a hacked device, and many of those apps still won't work properly even on a hacked Satio.
Yet it sounds a bit biased stating that SE has addressed all the Satio's issues in one week.
First because there are still several flaws/bugs with it. Camera bugs, Media Files bugs, freezing bugs...
Secondly, because they had almost an year to completely fine tune it after its announcement. That may be a record. For the time it took for it to be launched after it's announcement (and after all the first 5th edition S60 devices), it should be almost flawless. Besides the great camera, what new feature does it have that differ that much from a normal Nokia 5800 XpressMusic? Even the battery is the same as the K800 one. Ok, the N97 doesn't differ that much from it, too, but have you tried another one besides the one that you son used to have?
Even so, if both phones are buggy, what about a much less expensive Nokia 5800? Now it even has kinetic scrolling. My point is: what reasonably priced phone we have in both SE and Nokia's line up for people who don't have money growing up on trees?
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volvoman
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Very true in all you say, yes I have tried many Nokia S60 devices, and some work very well, but most only work well after several updates, and some not even after that. Difference is, that with SE some not all users have isues with some handsets, the C905 and K850 are two that spring to mind. Nokia S60 devices are different in that when a device has issues it normally effects all users. The N95 is a prime example of this, similar to the N97 in that it suffered many issues, which seemed to be improved after many updates, until today with the latest software, it seems to be a very good handset. Thing is Nokia have been using this software for years, and SE along with others have only just started to use it, yet they seem to be able to rectify the issues quicker and with better results. I am very happy with my Satio, and although there are a few things missing that I would like and would make it perfect for me, I am very happy to wait for a new firmware that adds these but only after it is known that the firmware is good and not full of bugs.
For now I have everything that I need and use on a device that does what I ask it to, not what it wants to do.
GPS for one, works first time every time, and the accuracy is spot on. Just instaled Navmii and that is one great piece of kit, takes seconds to lock on to a very good signal from inside my house, and has 9 sats and accuracy is down to 10 meters. I have yet to see in full view of the sky outside, my N97 get anymore than 8 sats with an accuracy of between 60 and 180 meters. Navmii on my satio is way better than my tomtom go 910 and locks on way quicker. Battery life could be allot better, and maybe a built in hard drive like the N97 would be better, but i feel these all add to the reasons as to why the N97 is soo unreliable. Lets wait and see what SE come up with in the up coming software release.
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Vit
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On 2010-01-16 00:12:37, volvoman wrote:
Very true in all you say, yes I have tried many Nokia S60 devices, and some work very well, but most only work well after several updates, and some not even after that. Difference is, that with SE some not all users have isues with some handsets, the C905 and K850 are two that spring to mind. Nokia S60 devices are different in that when a device has issues it normally effects all users. The N95 is a prime example of this, similar to the N97 in that it suffered many issues, which seemed to be improved after many updates, until today with the latest software, it seems to be a very good handset. Thing is Nokia have been using this software for years, and SE along with others have only just started to use it, yet they seem to be able to rectify the issues quicker and with better results. I am very happy with my Satio, and although there are a few things missing that I would like and would make it perfect for me, I am very happy to wait for a new firmware that adds these but only after it is known that the firmware is good and not full of bugs.
For now I have everything that I need and use on a device that does what I ask it to, not what it wants to do.
GPS for one, works first time every time, and the accuracy is spot on. Just instaled Navmii and that is one great piece of kit, takes seconds to lock on to a very good signal from inside my house, and has 9 sats and accuracy is down to 10 meters. I have yet to see in full view of the sky outside, my N97 get anymore than 8 sats with an accuracy of between 60 and 180 meters. Navmii on my satio is way better than my tomtom go 910 and locks on way quicker. Battery life could be allot better, and maybe a built in hard drive like the N97 would be better, but i feel these all add to the reasons as to why the N97 is soo unreliable. Lets wait and see what SE come up with in the up coming software release.
I have to agree that the Satio´s GPS performance is spot on! I´ve just bought a car holder for it on eBay and now it makes up for a stunning Sat Nav solution.
About the things with other S60 devices, I agree with the things you´ve written, but it still feels that SE could offer better support, upgreadability and richier content for their high end phones. I mean, as you´ve written, others have been discovering S60 secrets way before than SE. That also means it´s a much less complicated monster now that it has been before. I bet Nokia is not keen on providing a bad OS for other manufacturers. They might even get an advantage of holding back all the secrets, but they would also risk Symbian´s reputation (which is already not that good). When I think about trimming features to make things less complicated and more reliable, I really cannot understand the Satio, because it has less things than Nokia´s (except for the much greater camera module) and still doesn´t manage to put things that right. It kind of doubles the price of the 5800 without offering twice as much features. Anyway, this very last statement is also true for the N97.
Thinking over I guess that the 5800 should be a greater overall buy right now. A more mature device, perhaps.
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