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santo911
Joined: Oct 06, 2004
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From: Dubai
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I know we are getting to the same subject but this is getting too silly with SE... Still no W995 in Dubai, and no one knows when it will be there... I am personally tired from this strategy... Aino and other phones wont be there before early 2010 or at best December 2009... Samsung announced the Jet yesterday and today I am getting the phone. After 8 years of loyalty to SE i have to let them out for good...
I think many of you have this same problem, but does anyone knows why this silly strategy? |
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gtr83
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From: Indonesia
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SE doesn't have the money or other resources that Nokia and Samsung have in buckets. |
se_dude
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What?? The samsung jet is supposed to be out in late Q3. Btw, the W995 is available in dubai. A guy in MR already got it from there. Also Pop lover has had a review of the W995 from dubai.
And guys this is taking it a bit too far. The Aino,Satio,Yari will all be available by Sept/Oct. Even tech leaders Nokia delay their handsets like anything. Look at the N86/ N97. Dont blame SE for every damn thing.
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santo911
Joined: Oct 06, 2004
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From: Dubai
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If SE doesnt have the resource let them delay the announcement not the phone... And yes, today I will receive the Jet, it is promising a nice experience with all the nice features... No W995 yet in Dubai, only 3 people got it with no warranty from an unknown shop... It was smuggled in and they dont already sold the 3 handsets... If anyone can help me getting a W995 from Dubai I will be gratefull cause I really like this phone. |
se_dude
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Its available in some prince phone, in sharjah. |
anonymuser
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I think SE continue to make two key mistakes -
1. Announcing each device far, far too early. Drop hints, let out the odd picture maybe, but don't throw a big press event in January when the phone isn't in shops till December, it's just a waste of everyone's time and ensures people are bored of SE phones long before they ever arrive.
2. Flogging two many dead horses at once. They should have long ago rationalised the lineup, kept a few low end phones running A200 but cut down on the midrange and moved everything else onto ONE unified smartphone platform, be that Symbian or Android (preferably not WM). With the licensing costs now nil for either of them, there's no reason why they can't base the whole lineup on one or the other, and ample room to lead the way with Android for example - but by spreading themselves too thinly they're simply struggling to get anything to market, let alone any focussed approach to smartphones.
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Tsepz_GP
Joined: Dec 27, 2006
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From: Johannesburg, South Africa
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N86 came at the right time,it was announced shortly after W995 and is out. The N97 is the one that took ages.
SAMSUNG and LG seem to be VERY well resourced, i would expect SE to be in the same league as Samsung and LG seeing as all 3 are big in other electronics, i mean just look at the SONY PS3  but even that took a while to come out. I honestly dont know why it takes some long to release. Lack of staff? Financial difficulty maybe? Just hope its bug free when its available.
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se_dude
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N96 anyone? |
santo911
Joined: Oct 06, 2004
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From: Dubai
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[quote]
On 2009-06-17 14:47:54, Boinng wrote:
I think SE continue to make two key mistakes -
1. Announcing each device far, far too early. Drop hints, let out the odd picture maybe, but don't throw a big press event in January when the phone isn't in shops till December, it's just a waste of everyone's time and ensures people are bored of SE phones long before they ever arrive.
That's what I was talking about.... Don't announce the phone until it is ready...It's that simple. |
synn
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On 2009-06-17 08:40:51, se_dude wrote:
What?? The samsung jet is supposed to be out in late Q3. Btw, the W995 is available in dubai. A guy in MR already got it from there. Also Pop lover has had a review of the W995 from dubai.
Jet is out here as well. Samsung can do it because as discussed earlier, they are friggin' huge, does all manufacturing in house.
It's a fine line for a much smaller company like SE. Either they can rush production and risk higher manufacturing costs and defects or they take too long to get everything sorted out and lose customer interest like what happened here.
They can't really focus on one smartphone platform either if they want to make inroads in that arena. Blackberry and Nokia can do it because they have their own mail management services which offer great benefits for the business user (And because they pretty much own those respective OSs). I don't think SE is in any position to offer a backbone structure similar to it. Android is far too limited at this point to offer everything at this point and WinMo is not for everyone. IMO, they are taking the right steps by having an offering with all major OS's. This way, they won't be caught with the pants down no matter which direction the market takes. Missing the boat in the first smartphone wave (And completely squandering away the lead they had with UIQ based touch-smartphone development) was one of the costliest mistakes SE did. One wouldn't want them to repeat it for another time.
They can always thin down the lineup if the market makes a decisive step and overwhelmingly support one of these platforms like say, Android 2.0. |
santo911
Joined: Oct 06, 2004
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From: Dubai
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posting from my jet... i really wanted to stay w/ se but i really lost intrest here |
gola
Joined: Jul 17, 2007
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From: South Africa
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Well done to santo for standing up against SE n getting the JET, SE really sucks in this aspect, like you said- they should hold back the announcement until just before the release date...
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Bonovox
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Could one of Sony Ericsson's problems be that they are a joint venture operating at 2 different ends of the globe or something? I dont know its just a theory.
Phone?? What phone?? |
gtr83
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From: Indonesia
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They're not really allowed the resources of a decent manufacturer, which is why they sometimes (more often these days BTW) look like a makeshift company  but I still have a weak spot for them, dunno why... |
epdm
Joined: Mar 28, 2004
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On 2009-06-17 16:40:58, synn wrote:
Jet is out here as well. Samsung can do it because as discussed earlier, they are friggin' huge, does all manufacturing in house.
It's a fine line for a much smaller company like SE. Either they can rush production and risk higher manufacturing costs and defects or they take too long to get everything sorted out and lose customer interest like what happened here.
They can't really focus on one smartphone platform either if they want to make inroads in that arena. Blackberry and Nokia can do it because they have their own mail management services which offer great benefits for the business user (And because they pretty much own those respective OSs). I don't think SE is in any position to offer a backbone structure similar to it. Android is far too limited at this point to offer everything at this point and WinMo is not for everyone. IMO, they are taking the right steps by having an offering with all major OS's. This way, they won't be caught with the pants down no matter which direction the market takes. Missing the boat in the first smartphone wave (And completely squandering away the lead they had with UIQ based touch-smartphone development) was one of the costliest mistakes SE did. One wouldn't want them to repeat it for another time.
They can always thin down the lineup if the market makes a decisive step and overwhelmingly support one of these platforms like say, Android 2.0.
Sony is as big as Samsung and they to do all development inhouse. In fact Samsung DOESN'T do much development at all. Look at their current line-up of smart-phones. They're the same hardware just with another OS on top of it. There's the Symbian model (which is based on the T-omnia hardware-wise) I8910, the I8000 (AKA Omnia II) a Windows Mobile device with same (or similar hardware specs) and the S8000 (the excact OmniaII's twin brother running Android OS). And lets'not forget there's the Star which is the old Omnia with Samsungs own UI/OS. They recycle even more than SE does.
In fact I hate it that Korea gets the T-Omnia (which is hardware wise nothing more than the Omnia 2 without Cube-thingy) while the rest of the world get an Omnia with inferior specs. I too would have prefered that T-Omnia with faster cpu (800MHz instead of 624) and better screen 480x800. In fact I talked to a Samsung representative about that a few weeks ago. I definitly didn't like what I heard from that bitch.
And they're numbering scheme is as bad as SE's. I can't get the Symbian phones out of the WinMobile or Samsungs own OS (and to complicate matters now they're gonna follow Android OS too)
It is indeed a problem that SE either should release products faster after they're announced or delay announcing products until they're ready. Because lets face it: they let us drool over by the Saito and by the time it's finally in the shops, we get bombarded with Nokia, Samsung and LG models which sometimes surpasses SE's offerings. And they definitly should improve on their QC because nowadays their products suck quality wise. Sony bought Minolta AND have their own imaging division yet SE's mobile cams are the worst. For instance they had a very good cam-module in the K750 all other 2MPixel phones released after that where worse... much worse (I know because I have the direct descendant o/t K750, the K550). Which in fact my is already my second K550 and now this one's vibration is broken The days that you could go to war with your Ericsson cellphone are long gone by. They're current chinese build phones have more flaws with each passing generation. No wonder ppl flock away. They too have a big stake in Symbian yet they have NO Symbian phones in their current line-up. Unlike Nokia and Samsung whom both have several (especially Nokia is very active with regards to Symbian).
The only thing they have going for is their own very good phone OS which has very well integrated phone features (after all we ARE talking about phones here, right). Which looks nice, is fast (on many models). But which I think is mostly Ericsson heritage.
As you might have guessed I too have been looking at the competition. In fact I'm currently deciding between the older HTC Touch Diamond (coupled with a bigger battery) or the (equally older) Samsung Omnia (though I'd rather want the T-Omnia). The newest models are too expensive (and the forthcoming models are just too much.... for that money I buy a full blown laptop PC today). But these older beasts can be had for very good prices nowadays.
Sorry for the long rant. But I think my feelings express much of what many other ppl think of SE today.
We won't keep waiting forever to bring us the phone we want.
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