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Miss UK
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Posted: 2008-12-05 01:33
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Tut wheres the 8MP camera
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LOL.Sweet curvy N97?? The N97 is a revamped version of the arc slider X1. And moreover, the materials look camn cheap when compared to the full metal solutionof the X1. Now if you want to argue on that, be my guest. But, the pic compared a black X1 a white N97, not sure if thats the right way to compare two devices regarding looks.

Newaz, by the time this arrives, the X1 will truly be "old"
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Posted: 2008-12-05 08:41
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On 2008-12-05 04:13:12, se_dude wrote:
Newaz, by the time this arrives, the X1 will truly be "old"

Its already truly old. considering its NOKIA rival the E90 had similar specs over a year ago.
Totaly agree with Dexterr, but in looks thats personal taste. I like both X1 AND N97 in design, at the end id probably take the N97 due to the rounded edges.
LOL N97 a revampd X1 design? WTF!? What crap, Doesnt it take like 12months to design these phones? So technicaly the N97 had already been designed before the X1 was announced. The N97 design is perfect for a Multimedia device, it will make watching movies great on the N97 and realy nice to text with, HTC had a great idea with this slide and tilt design on TyTN-II.
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Posted: 2008-12-05 10:18
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Here are the details on the CPU used in NOKIAs newer phones eg. N78, N79, N81, N85, 5800xm, N97 etc. . . . Here: http://www.freescale.com/weba[....]rod_summary.jsp?code=MXC300-30
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Posted: 2008-12-05 23:21
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Nokia being market leader? Puh-leez! Samsung and SE are.. Nokia has its stocks fell down last Q2 and Q3. Lol.

And Engadget hates Nokia... Srsly.



I thought selling the most phones (or anything else, dependent on what your wares are) in the world made you the market leader? Sure Nokia's market share fell, but it's still sells the most phones worldwide, right? I would like to think that it's market share fell thanks to improved competition from the likes of Apple, RIM, and HTC in the Smart Phone area this year. Believe it or not, this IS A GOOD THING FOR THE CONSUMERS last time I checked. That means that companies like Nokia and SE have to try EVEN harder to get our hard earned monies. It keeps giants like Nokia on their toes, and means we'll be getting the best possible stuff for all of our hard earned dollars. Yay everyone wins with more bang for their bucks!

That's funny you should mention Engadget here, because I hate Engadget. It's full of trolls, Apple on Microsoft flamers, and Playstation on Xbox flamers. I've always been more of Gizmodo reader myself.

@ everyone else, please stop feeding the trolls for all of our sakes, we don't want this place turning out like the Engadget comment's section do we?...

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Posted: 2008-12-06 01:05
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On 2008-12-02 11:12:27, Mizzle wrote:
I'm getting one. I think.


I thought I'd never see the day where Mizzle would be interested in a Nokia, let alone S60.


On 2008-12-02 18:59:24, se_dude wrote:
Yea totally.Full metal X1 vs a plastic N97.


Dude, its SHEET metal, not thick like 1950's cars are. Sure I love metal just as much as the next guy, but I have YET to see any company open about showing its rigurous testing for product durability such as Nokia. Care to respond to that?


On 2008-12-02 21:03:20, Mr Miyagi wrote:
This phone in my opinion design wise is another copy of the x1 and the google g1 phone. why all the same kind of design? can't nokia bring up some thing else like a better design of their own?


Another blind SE fan. Young apprentice, the SE Xperia X1 design is a copy of any other HTC WM smartphone; because it was built by HTC. Most likely it wsa a design decision by HTC, since SE rejected the slide & tilt, and HTC accomodated with the ARC slider. I have YET to see SE state that the ARC slider was their design, instead of a first used by them.

@respah,

You really need to understand that if a stock drops, it doesn't have an immediate and direct correlation to marketshare. RIM continued to beat analyst expectations on phone sales & revenue for the past 3 QTRS yet their stock price has dropped the past 2 QTRS. I suggest you look up a companies history of at least 3yrs on GoogleFinance before making yourself sound like incompetitent - unless joking is your intention. I'm not here to insult you, but by responses from others I'm not the only one that perceives you "acting" this way.

@Everyone!

I don't feel markeshare is an accurate measure of a manufacturers worth. Its ONLY a good measure when comparing sales - initially for the first 2yrs or less to its competitors when they first enter a market. Case in point: look at iPhones increasing marketshare - its exploding (much to my distaste). One has to analyze how it can gain in countries where S60 is king - especially in a marketplace that is close to if not already saturation = i read a report that in the UK, statistically every person above age 16 owns at least 1 phone and changes their phone model/brand within a 6-8mth time period. This fist with when the iPhone was released in the UK and the other 21 countries this year (besides the USA). Now, marketshare doesn't help accurately predict that a phone manufacturer's worth altogether. Many of these users purchase the iPhone on contract with minimal initial buyout & thus even a curious passive user can purchase a 2nd phone (2nd to S60, WM, BlackBerry, or Palm). Marketshare doesn't evaluate correctly whether or not this iPhone purchase in my example is for a daughter/son, or on a family shared plan or even the same user. ONLY sales of devices, or delivered devices to any provider or retail (sales from there), accurately show a manufacturer's worth or the choice of their OS. Lastly many users don't upgrade in that 8mth cycle and stick with their phone of choice. New users purchasing a new phone/OS doesn't reflect this - and them damaging their phones and going to a fallback.

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Posted: 2008-12-06 01:14
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Can't understand why some of you guys are putting this device down at every chance you get.
Of course it doesn't have any groundbraking new technologies but it's still a really well balanced out phone. Imo it's looking like it could be one of the best multimedia device till fall 09.
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Posted: 2008-12-06 03:25
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Durability like Nokia??

i am sure you are referring to the low end phones made by Nokia, coz they are simply great.

My experience with nokia

5700- I am a heavy texter and after 6 months one of the keys went kaput. never happened to any SE set of mine.

N81-Had pathetic build quality, the slider moved horiantally almost the same as it did verticaly. Had a terrible time with either of them.

Now, I cant say the same for SE really,.These are the two brands i ever used, and th onyl SE that gave me any sort of a problem was K850 , and that too were software problems. So, please dont say that Nokias have awesome build quality blah blah, they have for a specific few models, but i wont go and honour the full N-series on this matter

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Posted: 2008-12-06 03:46
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Is there anything new in this new OS besides widgets? I now its a touch device but its resistive touch and sorry but thats outdated. Its slower, less accurate and less responsive. Whats new in the software??
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On 2008-12-06 03:46:25, SloopJohnB wrote:
Its slower, less accurate and less responsive. Whats new in the software??

yeah because when nokia thought of making a TS phone, they probably noted down all the worst case scenarios of a TS phone and implemented them into their flag ship!
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Posted: 2008-12-06 07:49
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Strange. Ive owned a N81 for a full year, no serious build quality problems, its actualy a VERY durable phone, my slider is a little shakey but thats it. My K850 on the other hand squeeks at the bottom by the batt cover PLUS it had terrible software probs, both my mates with W850s had their dpads crack with in a month, lets not even speak of the famous S500 and W580. Mates K800 keypad paint peeled off with in 1st few months and then died within 5months. Atleast when NOKIA use metal it DOES NOT CRACK eg. E71, E66, E90 etc. . .unlike some manufacturers current "flagship" PPC.
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Posted: 2008-12-06 09:00
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Dont tell me no one ever see peeled and cracked Nokia
Condition and durability ares very much based on users.



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Posted: 2008-12-06 09:22
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Over time they do peel. But dpads and keys cracking with in 1st few months is a little odd.
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Posted: 2008-12-06 09:45
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Dont you think that topic is a bit old?

FYI that N958Gb also few months

It boils down what it is intended for, form, thickness, weight etc. Some people are bad luck. Some dont


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On 2008-12-06 09:45:18, islandprd wrote:
Dont you think that topic is a bit old?

FYI that N958Gb also few months

It boils down what it is intended for, form, thickness, weight etc. Some people are bad luck. Some dont


[ This Message was edited by: islandprd on 2008-12-06 09:05 ]

I totaly agree, but if you remember the W850 had a whole topic of how its dpad would crack quickly, and we all know about W580 and S500 keys. What im trying to point out is that SEs also have poor build quality issues with certain models just like NOKIA.
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