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procterdc
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20[....]wins-right-to-die-dba1618.html
Just thought i'd post this link, its quite saddening but kind of puts things into perspective I feel.
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rockygali
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the girl is smart... and quite blessed to have such understanding and very supportive parents. truly it is saddening... but i guess its what she says that is important in this scene... and her parents see to it that what she wants will be given to her... and she only wanted to rest.
God will be with her. AMEN.
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ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ
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He won't, because he doesn't exist.
But I agree, it's very sad and makes you think.
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fatreg
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Can I point out something?
She hasn't won the right to die at all, all she has won is the right to not take medicine, in turn this lack on med will kill her but she hasn't won the right to die.
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Nanu
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Can I point out something?
It's not so much the medicine she is refusing but medical treatment including a heart transplant!
I don't know how to feel about this one, having not been through what she has endured, she has the backing of her parents and the whole affair must be extremely upsetting.
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gola
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On 2008-11-11 12:11:42, ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ wrote:
He won't, because he doesn't exist...
Would you think otherwise if she, by some miracle, lives on to have grandchildren?
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Nanu
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Let's have a bit of respect and not turn this thread into a religion war!
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amnesia
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el robin, why did you have to make that un-necessary comment.
Just as you may not believe in God they do.
If you said "I hope she survives".
Nobody would reply "yeah only if God helps".
Relax.
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ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ
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Because people should keep their religion to themselves, to me, saying "God will be with her" is the same as saying "A flying unicorn made of £50 notes will be waiting for her".
It's complete rubbish and patronising.
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And I think it goes without saying that I wish things could be different for her.
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Personally, I think she's not old enough to fully make her judgement. Yes, her parents stood by her, but has anyone sat her down and told her about all the things in life she has to look forward to? She's only 12, she's seen less than 1/8 of her possible life, and she really isn't old enough to fully comprehend what more life has to offer.
I live with a 10 1/2 year old, and if he turned around and refused life saving treatment, I really don't think he'd understand what he's doing. At that age, and again this is from experience with having seen him grow up, I know for a fact the concept of death pretty much still hasn't truly sunk in. He's still a child, he will still wave plastic swords around and go "ahhh, your dead!" etc, which might not sounds particularly bad, but when added with him running up to his mother and doing it and going "mummys dead", just shows it wont sink in for a few more years. If you sit and explain to him then yes he gets it, but not in the same sense the rest of us do.
Think back to when you were children (some of you still are in your minds   ), could you have comprehended such a life changing (literally) decision like that? In its entirety?
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On 2008-11-11 23:08:11, Daedalus85 wrote:
Personally, I think she's not old enough to fully make her judgement. Yes, her parents stood by her, but has anyone sat her down and told her about all the things in life she has to look forward to? She's only 12, she's seen less than 1/8 of her possible life, and she really isn't old enough to fully comprehend what more life has to offer.
I live with a 10 1/2 year old, and if he turned around and refused life saving treatment, I really don't think he'd understand what he's doing. At that age, and again this is from experience with having seen him grow up, I know for a fact the concept of death pretty much still hasn't truly sunk in. He's still a child, he will still wave plastic swords around and go "ahhh, your dead!" etc, which might not sounds particularly bad, but when added with him running up to his mother and doing it and going "mummys dead", just shows it wont sink in for a few more years. If you sit and explain to him then yes he gets it, but not in the same sense the rest of us do.
Think back to when you were children (some of you still are in your minds ), could you have comprehended such a life changing (literally) decision like that? In its entirety?
Completely see where your coming from, but I suppose when you have had as many problems such as this little girl has had, and you have a life threatening condition, it becomes apparent that you might die, and she had probably grown used to the idea unfortunately 
You never know how you would think until you are in that situation in which case the way you think might change completely..
Hope that doesnt sound insulting!
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Daedalus85
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It's a fair comment, I can't speak for her because I haven't been through her experiences.
I can say however, my brothers girlfriend of several years now, has a life long heart/lung condition thats going to require the same op as this girl, and she's had some pretty tough shit in her life (orphaned by the time she was 5 for a start), and she's never once waved the white flag and suggested she gives up. She's been on meds most of her life, and will do the rest of her life, and thats never stopped her, so I really do think someone needs to show this young girl in question what her life could be like, and I doubt it will all be doom and gloom.
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Thats fair enough!
I see what you mean now, but at the end of the day, surely if the parents thought that this is what she didnt want, they would try and force her?
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@ÈL ® ö B ì Ñ
i really hate letting this one pass... but sorry if im being OT atm.
but if i ever offended you on something... im sorry..
but like what you said, if i keep my religion to myself, then i wouldnt be practicing it right.. if you know what that means. merely saying the word "God will be with her." is of course very generic if you can decipher that with your ummm, whatever thats making you breath, live or even think...
i havent said anything about you guys rallying on my behalf and call upon the mighty powers to help her... is that you thought of it? then it only shows you have some grievances or personal fight with religion perse.
i guess what people be keeping with themselves if their personal grievances, aite?!
sorry again if that comment hurt your ego or whatever. it distastes me if someone tells me there very right and im very wrong and yet havent got any proof to show it. i mean.. im not flaming you.... im just saying sorry...
for you that is...
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back on the topic, yes fatreg is right, she hasnt won the right to die, its a bad title actually. she just wanted to end the medications, and the grueling stay in the hospital for recovery... kinda ironic, coz come of us really feels being sick by just merely staying long in a hospital. i dunno about you guys but i do. the kid wanted to be home, coz she feels more comfortable there (maybe...) she has her reasons. and the parents supports him... we can never tell.
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well. it makes sense. why put yourself through more trouble. more money. more surgery. when you're gambling with death. | |
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