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arvinlad
Joined: Mar 26, 2005
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Sorry if I'm being a numpty here... 
But I don't understand the fuss about UIQ dying and all that.
As I understand it - it does touch screens best? - but what I want as a user is functionality - i don't really care whether the OS is UIQ 3 , UIQ 2, Symbian 60, Linux, Vista, Windows ME or applemac whatever that is
If SE - or whoever can produce an upgraded P1i that does everything... but just a little better  - why does the OS matter? (apart from to the people whose jobs depend on it of course... sorry UIQ encoders  )
Genuine question... Not trolling I would like to understand it.
I guess if UIQ goes down the plughole there will not e any further upgrades to our current P1is from SE... but then we knew that already didn't we? - and people like Opera seem to still be supportig us...  - Thanks people at Opera!
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arvinlad
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So... Nobody knows!... 
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Zed@CPS
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If SE - or whoever can produce an upgraded P1i that does everything... but just a little better - why does the OS matter? It only matters because so far UIQ was the most advanced smartphone UI platform, and if it ceases to exist then it is not very sure that the upgrade you want will not rather be a downgrade.
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sigea
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I guess its just love for something, no answers here.
there are ppl who love apple, forums of mac lovers, forums of mustang lovers ...and heres a forum of UIQ lovers
Just a place where UIQ lovers hang around discussing thier common passion 
the human mind is an amazing thing, once it likes something and is sold for it, it will wage wars (and flames) to support it and take pleasure in discussing it endlessly
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Zed@CPS
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Love is not plainly a matter of subjective passion. Also, when talking about technology, the word love does not necessarily cover the base of decision. You can set up your mind by objective comparisons as well. I state that UIQ is the overall most advanced smartphone platform, and this is not a matter of love or taste.
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arvinlad
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On 2008-10-28 12:48:01, Zed@CPS wrote:
It only matters because so far UIQ was the most advanced smartphone UI platform, and if it ceases to exist then it is not very sure that the upgrade you want will not rather be a downgrade.
Thanks Zed - that's more what I was looking for...
BUT... at the end of the day these companies only exist to make money - and the most profitable way forward for those in control is the one they take - probably all to do with trouser legs rolled up, dodgey handshakes and free carribean holidays on board luxury yachts! - and HUGE retirement bonuses after the companies merge... 
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tequilacat
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I do care what OS is on my phone.
It defines native set of applications. Caller, SMS, Address book. For a person who does not like installing-reinstalling-hardresetting, native application set IS the phone.
There are strong and weak points in user interface of OSes, and there are "matter of taste" features differing between platforms.
S60 (with touchscreen of course) could be bearable if it featured combined call list (in/out/missed calls in same list), time stamp in SMS list and several other features.
But again the SMS(message client) and address book in UI3 are far from perfect. Sometimes just maddening far And no replacement for message client so far.
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arvinlad
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On 2008-10-30 12:48:05, tequilacat wrote:
S60 (with touchscreen of course) could be bearable if it featured combined call list (in/out/missed calls in same list), time stamp in SMS list and several other features.
But that is my point - that the SE designers who put the combined call list functionality in the phone - could have just as easily provided this for their users whatever platform they were working on...
The touchscreen bit seems to be better in UIQ3 than Symbian 60 at the moment - but with amalgamation of the best bits of UIQ3 code and other Symbian codes in SF will this not be addressed?
The problem then being which manufacturer will install the features that you as an individual want in your particular phone...
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Zed@CPS
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Not being perfect is very true for UIQ3 - and also for any other platform, including women  Here comes in personal taste, where taking compromises is inevitable.
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tequilacat
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Sure we're yet to see perfect OS (app, platform, woman )
But as for UIQ mail client I am ready to argue (to flame ?) it's bad design and not personal tastes (unless one loves phone screen blinking at him for seconds during routine actions).
When you receive an SMS and click to see it, screen is repainted several times. As you're done and click Back button, the show is replayed.
When there're lots of SMS (I try to keep them below 300) the repaints take time. I see how they clear the list and fill it from scratch each time they show it - never heard of data models in GUI (like JSwing/Qt4) or never had time to implement it.
Selecting several SMSs is another story - you should have very accurate hand.
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anonymuser
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On 2008-10-28 13:12:22, Zed@CPS wrote:
I state that UIQ is the overall most advanced smartphone platform, and this is not a matter of love or taste.
Ahem - perhaps not love or taste, but most definitely opinion. Whatever you've based that statement on, others will have different ideas on what "overall most advanced" really means. UIQ was certainly advanced in some areas, but it was also quite flawed in others.
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ares
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ahem...he certainly has more conditions than you or me to judge it, because he is a mobile aplication DEVELOPER, in case you did not notice it...
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anonymuser
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On 2008-10-30 16:32:47, ares wrote:
ahem...he certainly has more conditions than you or me to judge it, because he is a mobile aplication DEVELOPER, in case you did not notice it...
And I'm a smartphone platform USER, what's your point? In all seriousness, the sole purpose of any computing platform is to serve its users, not the developers. The "most advanced" smartphone platform is that which offers its users the best overall experience, surely?
A developer may well judge a platform from a completely different standpoint - which is easiest to program for, most likely - but that is no measure of the platform's effectiveness in use, power efficiency, speed, reliability, usability, etc. The "most advanced" platform for a developer could still be an absolute pig for the end customer to use.
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Zed@CPS
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I pretty much agree with Boinng. Programs are for users, not developers. Therefore, I'm judging UIQ from the user's point of view, more concretely a techie user who would like to have a small omnipotent computer with phone abilities. There is no love here, just requirements. All smartphones more or less offer the features I look for, but UIQ stands out by computer-like appearance and behavior, plus versatility and convenience of use. I can't help calling that advanced.
Surely the more phone-like approaches (S60) have always been more popular, and I have no any problem with that - just would not call it advanced. It resembles the common ancestor (the phone) more
By the way, the C++ variant used in UIQ (and Symbian in general) is one of the hardest programming environments I ever met - it's definitely not one of those optimized for beginner programmers!
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ares
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Zed, you are BOTH user and developer. I value your opinion more than Boinng or any other common user here at esato. To fully understand if on OS is more powerfull or not than other, it requires more knowledge than the common user has.
When a developer says something like you did, one take notice, and its something we can refer to for argumentation sake. If its just me, or Boinng...not so much.
I give another example:
http://smartdreaming.blogspot.com/
this is the blog from Malcom of Dreamspring, the guys behind what is probaly the best PIM app for Symbian, first UIQ, and that now will be ported to s60 v5. Read what he writes about UIQ, and you will see almost the same that Zed said...
Again...this is something of notice. Again, Malcolm is both USER and DEVELOPER. He certainly knows more than me, despite i consider myself a power user.
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