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Author SE C905 Rivals = K-Touch C700? Now with previews and C700 vs N95 8gb sample photos in the first post
Hiron
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Posted: 2008-07-04 18:38
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EDIT START: ATTENTION!!!
If the picture doesn't show, it seems the cookies problems that makes RingHK.com forbidden image access to you.

1. I suggest you to visit http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1441 first by using Firefox. I get all the pictures from there. . .

2. Just wait until that page has been fully loaded with pics. And you can click some thumbnails to view some full-res sample photos in there!!!

3. Then just visit back this thread. http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=172239

4. Voila! The picture will show! I use firefox 3.0, and the cache images exploit would show the pictures!

I'm sorry again. Just stupid newbie mistakes . . .
EDIT END.


Just read the news here, although maybe it's old: " target="_blank">http://news.softpedia.com/new[....]Phones-Unveiled-86392.shtml


C700 Reviews: http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1441

I just finishing translated it and make this short reviews, so enjoy it

K-Touch Announced it's 8MP Camera Phone in China.
Highlight Spec:
- 8 MP (C800) and 7 MP (C700) CCD sensors with 3x Optical Zoom and Telescopic Lens

- ISO 1000 Support, Xenon Flash, 5-Point Multi Autofocus, Face Detection and VGA 30fps Video Recording
- Focal Length: 5.7 - 17.1 mm ADJUSTABLE Telescopic Lens.
- 2.8" TOUCH SCREEN
TFT display with 240 x 320 pixels and 260K colors
- "3D Surround" Stereo Speakers,
- Two Slot MicroSDHC Card Support, Bluetooth.
- Supports JAVA Program
- Initial price is about US$ 384 or 244 Euros for C700!

The price will reduced in several months!

The phones have about 20 millimeters in thickness and pack 1300 mAh batteries that should provide up to 10 hours of talk-time and up to 350 hours of stand-by time.

FURTHER SPEC
Network standard GSM 900/1800 (dual band)
Dimension 122 x 56 x 18.5 mm
Weight 92 g
Color Dark blue
Body design Direct phone body
Battery type Lithium batteries (1300 mAh)
Standby time 350 hours
Call 9 hours

Main screen 260,000 color screen
Resolution 240 x 320 pixels (2.8 inches)
Touch-screen YES
Input Handwriting, Mandarin, the alphabet, in both English and Chinese intelligent input, T9 intelligent input

Digital camera 7 million-pixel CCD camera (3072 x 2304 pixels)
The flash YES
Digital zoom 5X digital zoom
Optical zoom 3X optical zoom
Support AF YES
Configuration Xenon flash, Lens Protector
Image Stabilizer Support
Red-eye reduction
Support ISO 1000 sensitivity
Support close-up mode
Support full-screen viewfinder
Built-in number of scenes mode: (Auto, Portrait, Night Portrait, Landscape, Night Landscape, Sports, backlight, museums, night mode, Snow, Sunset, fireworks, party, beach, text, close-up, video)
Number of white balance settings: (Auto, sunny, incandescent, fluorescent lamps, solar day)
Video Recording YES
Video Player YES
MP3 players with EQ YES
Other music player AAC、AAC+、WAV、WMA、AMR AAC, AAC +, WAV, WMA, AMR
CD-added information YES
Album-Art YES
3D stereo audio built-in dual speakers YES
Lyrics synchronization YES

Built-in dual-Micro-SD slot (expandable to 4 GB x 2)


USB cable YES

Bluetooth YES
Infrared NO

Internet EDGE, GPRS Class 12, WAP 2.0 EDGE, GPRS Class 12, WAP 2.0
Multimedia messaging MMS、EMS、SMS MMS, EMS, SMS
Email transceiver Email transceiver (POP3, IMAP, SMTP)

Packet ring YES
Call photo YES
API calls YES
Polyphonic ringtones 64 polyphonic ringtones
MP3 ringtones YES
Download ringtones YES
Games YES
Java-enabled Java MIDP 2.0
SoundRecording YES

Telephone Directory 1000 Group
Voice-activated dialing Voice commands
Push to talk (PoC) NO
Chun-functional machine YES
Alarm clock function YES
Hands-free speaker YES
Radio Stereo FM radio
Other features Support for Bluetooth stereo / A2DP / AVRCP
Support telephone directories Export Import (OUTLOOK format)
Photo printing (Picture Print) functions
Call firewall / SMS Firewall
Anti-theft tracking
Self-help features
Privacy protection
Built-in answering machine (voice mail)


Is expected to launch date June 2008 (announced)

PHOTOS


C700 and C800 in White and Black Colors. 2.8" TOUCH SCREEN TFT display with 240 x 320 pixels and 260K colors



Back Side of C700 and C800



Back Side When Camera Mode Off, equipped with 3x Optical Zoom Telescopic Lens



The number keys next to complete camera button, including an independent zoom button and delete button



Blue Backlight lit up when camera mode is active



When you switch on the camera, the protective lens opened and the lens with the sound of a motor slowly out



In Right Side, we can see volume and shutter button



Left side with headphones jack, USB and Charging Function



Stereo Speakers at the top of the phone. In my opinions, not good stereo, but very loud and no distortion.



Microphone



1300 mAh Battery



SIM card slot under the battery and dual micro-SDHC slot



Size comparison with Hongkong Dollar Cents Coin



MENU INTERFACE

STANDBY SCREEN



12-Grid Menu



JAVA Support



Music player interface, supports lyrics synchronization



EQ and Player Settings



CAMERA INTERFACE

5-Point AutoFocus Box Visible



VGA 30 fps High-Definition Video Recording



In the main screen display hit the delete button, choose a few of the 10 scenarios (Auto, Portrait, Night Portrait, Landscape, Night Landscape, Sports, backlight, museums, night mode, Snow, Sunset, fireworks, party, beach, text , Close up, video)



Resolution Settings



Image Quality Settings (High, Medium, Low)



Shock-Protection



5-Point AF or Central-AF Settings




Optical Zoom Is Working



Album Viewing Interface, support in some detail the EXIF, including aperture, shutter speed and so on, like a DC



C700 PROTOTYPE Sample Photos, Click Thumbnails for Full-Res Picture.






OPTICAL ZOOM TEST, Click Thumbnails for Full-Res Picture.
Without Optical Zoom


3x Optical Zoom


K-Touch C700 VS N95 8GB Photo COMPARISON, Click Thumbnails for Full-Res Picture.

C700 LEFT, N95 8 GB RIGHT


















The Opinion:
Image-brightness is really surprising. C700 Wins in Sharpness and Noise-Handling, but the color has not been dealt with. (Mizzle's Word in C905 Leaks )
Note that it's still a first release, and Color Accuration can be fixed in further firmware revision (or maybe modded camdriver? )

Because it released in China, it doesn't mentioned 3G, HSDPA, Wi-Fi and GPS feature. Restricted Features in That Country. . .

But I pointed the camera specs . . .

Two thumbs up for the effort and seriousness of K-Touch as a relatively new china manufacturer to developing their flagship imaging phone.

Note that it's based on their own China Technology . . .

How about SonyEricsson that backed-up with Sony Japan Technology?

After reading this review, I feels that SE doesn't take so much effort and seriousness to develop a camera module of C905 . . .

I even hear that SE using Samsung Camera Module on their latest C905 Flagship Imaging Phone???

QVGA Video Recording??? CMOS Sensor??? No Optical Zoom???
K850i's Camera Interface (No New Break-Through Features other than Smart Contrast and Smile Shutter)???

You are not serious and must be kidding, SE!!!

But two thumbs up for the design and feature of C905. You are serious in this aspect, SE!


I hope C905 doesn't dissappoint me, like my K850i does :crying:

A quotes from pages 3:


Hiron says:

The picture seems blurry (not sure because poor AF algorithm or unsteady hand,) but quite low noise.

I think that's all because cam driver that is not optimized (still premature in this stage). I see a little Noise-Reduction, and Yes, wrong light balance on some pics (all settings are auto white-balance).

" but i dont really blame them (K-Touch, editor) since they are a small company and its cheap, " shyam335 said.

Exactly. I just make a comparison between "small company and this cheap product" to SonyEricsson under Sony Japan CyberShot Technology.

Since K750i and K800i, SonyEricsson seems not showing their effort to makes a better Camera Module. They also insisting using CMOS instead of CCD.

They even decided to use Samsung CamModule in C905, instead of continuing the development of their own Sony Sensors. . .


The Camera-UI of C905 also doesn't makes huge difference with K850's UI.

Apart of SmartContrast, Geotagging and 8MP, I didn't see any difference. . .

QVGA recording???

In my prototype, ISO settings even removed, and I don't see Smile Shutters mode. But I thought they may add this feature later on final release, because it's stated in the WhitePaper. . .

Do you know some funny facts?
K800i use IMX-018 Sony Cam Module, sensitivity 106 mV
K850i use IMX-020 Sony Cam Module, sensitivity 57 mV

They reducing the cell size of IMX-020 to 2.0 micrometer, instead of 2.5 micrometer in IMX-018. . .
By reducing cell size, they could squeeze more megapixels to same-sized sensors, and leads to sensitivity reduceness due to less light that reach the sensors.
That's why we see a hell more noise and pixel errors on K850i, although the details increased a bit. . .


For some comparison, Sony Handycam CCD sensors have sensitivity about 800 mV. . .

And I'm quite happy now because they use a bigger sensor on C905. Seems SE learns a LITTLE (not MUCH) from K850i's mistakes

And one more mistakes from K850i. . . They use low quality lens cover in K850i. If you removed glass that protects the lens, the purple fringing and chromatic aberration reduced a lot.

Chromatic aberration and purple fringing usually because of low quality optics (in this case, a glass lens cover that protects the main lens.)

Just try removing that glass cover, especially a people that experienced a dust under lens cover. The auto-shutter already covered the main lens, so it is useless to have some stupid additional lens cover. Just look at K800i




Thanks for your attention,



Hiron

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Posted: 2008-07-04 18:45
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Those are some ugly phones

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Posted: 2008-07-04 19:01
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Sorry but they only way I would put one of them in my pocket is if my pocket had a hole in and the phone fell down my leg and smashed.
Hiron
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Posted: 2008-07-04 19:03
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K-Touch is China manufacturer, established in 2001.

The initial price is too low for 8MP phones, so there is a possibility that the build quality is crap.

But what I want to pointed out is, a manufacturer like K-Touch has shown their seriousness to build the best phone they can make (based on their technology that is not too advanced)

But SE (backed up with Sony's Wonderful Technologies) seems doesn't show their seriousness with C905 in camera-specs.

SE only show their seriousness in C905 in a Design and Feature (like adding GPS, Wi-Fi, Capuchin Project, Great Design)...

But C905 Camera-Specs? I don't think so...
SE doesn't use CCD, OZ, Bravia Panels, VGA Recording. . .

SE could do much better than this, some features in C905 dissappointed me. .

If they are serious, they could add these technology easily. . .

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I agree somewhat. They do compromise somethings in order to bring you others but looks do sell and the design plays a big part in my eyes.
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Posted: 2008-07-04 19:14
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This news isnt new...

But i think is a good phone... i liked
Love or hate me...

Nokia 5120 -> Nokia 6120 -> SE T200 -> Motorola V800 -> SE W800 (stay with my wife) - > SE K800 (stay with my mom) -> Nokia N82 Silver -> Nokia N82 Black Edition - Firmware v30.0.019 -> What is the next??.
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Posted: 2008-07-04 19:21
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On 2008-07-04 19:03:11, Hiron wrote:

SE could do much better than this, some features in C905 dissappointed me. .

If they are serious, they could add these technology easily. . .

[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-07-04 18:07 ]


Well i have to agree with you, the camera quality of their recent phones took many fans to disappointment , and they made a move from K850 to N82 to N95.Well Lg is already developing advanced 8mp camera phone with Wide Vga video recording at 30 Fps , which SE has never managed to do, even in their flagship cybershot model C905, they couldn't even implement VGA recording takes me too disappointment,None the less they were pushed to fifth place in term of market share, replaced by LG.And soon samsung will also come up with 8mp camera phone.

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Posted: 2008-07-04 22:56
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maybe its like the imobile 902, only with optical zoom, which is what i am thinking...
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Posted: 2008-07-05 02:14
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I've read thet the LG KC550 can record video at 720x480 @ 30 fps and has a 5mp camera and its only prices at GBP180 or US350
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On 2008-07-04 19:21:42, technical-expert wrote:
even in their flagship cybershot model C905, they couldn't even implement VGA recording takes me too disappointment


agree with this one, don't know what SE thinking ~_~
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On 2008-07-04 18:38:19, Hiron wrote:
Just read here: http://news.softpedia.com/new[....]ra-Phones-Unveiled-86392.shtml

K-Touch Announced it's 8MP Camera Phone Last Week in China.
Spec:
- 8 MegaPixel CCD sensors with 3x Optical Zoom
- Xenon Flash, Face Detection and Video Recording
- 2.8" TFT display with 240 x 320 pixels and 260K colors

It also features Music and Video players, "3D surround" stereo speakers, Bluetooth, USB, 4GB of built-in memory (or microSD card support for up to 4GB the Chinese-English translation is not too clear), and dual-band GSM connectivity with GPRS only. The phones have about 20 millimeters in thickness and pack 1300 mAh batteries that should provide up to 10 hours of talk-time and up to 350 hours of stand-by time.



In fact there are 3 models: C800, C280 and C700

Photos of C280




Photos and review of C700 (in Chinese):
http://www.ringhk.com/news2.php?id=1441

C800 vs C700



[ This Message was edited by: justin25 on 2008-07-08 11:16 ]
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Well this phone may be a rival of the C905, but it doesn't look better for me... Anyway, I don't like it's design at all... Especially not the keyboard... It's awful imho.
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omg, those phones look TERRIBLE.

and im sure the rest sucks too.
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Yeah, the C905's design is much more stylish than these... It looks great
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Posted: 2008-07-05 22:00
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It may not be pretty phone, but the picture quality is better than the SE C905.
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