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max_wedge
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the water colour of hte K800 is a real let down - it was the only thing that really disappointed me about the K800.
K750 + MXE is definately better, and even the K750 with only it's own light is better at close range than K800. Not to mention macro. The K800 flash drowns out detail on macro shots where the K750 light is just perfect. Not only that on macro shots the K800 focus beam is so bright it reflects strongly off the subject preventing the camera from focussing properly. I've found to focus macro's I usually have to put my finger over the focus-assist beam when focussing.
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Radiux399
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On 2008-05-17 02:18:38, max_wedge wrote:
the water colour of hte K800 is a real let down - it was the only thing that really disappointed me about the K800.
K750 + MXE is definately better, and even the K750 with only it's own light is better at close range than K800. Not to mention macro. The K800 flash drowns out detail on macro shots where the K750 light is just perfect. Not only that on macro shots the K800 focus beam is so bright it reflects strongly off the subject preventing the camera from focussing properly. I've found to focus macro's I usually have to put my finger over the focus-assist beam when focussing.
My K800 flash doesn't drown out details - it actually works very very well. In my experience the K850 flash tends to overblow everything, not the K800. Still, even using the flash, the K800/K850 keeps the camera running at ISO 400, causing the noise reduction to kick into overdrive. The result? The smears or "water painting" effect that everyone describes it as.
I prefer a bit of chromatic noise in my shots which I can easily remove on my PC, rather than the camera attempting to smear that noise away so I can't see it anymore. After all, there is no way to get that detail back once its been smeared away. |
SaLiH
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@max_wedge - I totally agree with you!
Nokia 3310->Nokia 2100->Nokia 3100->Sony Ericsson K700i->Sony Ericsson K750i->i-mobile 902->Sony Ericsson K800i->Sony Ericsson T650i->Sony Ericsson C901->Sony Ericsson Elm->iPhone 3GS->iPhone 4s->iPhone 5->iPhone 5s->iPhone 6->iPhone 6s->iPhone 7 Plus |
plankgatan
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with auto settings i get best pics with my k810, BUT if i "preload" my k850 with proper settings i get easily best quality with k850.
he he he. some of you guys who says that k800 have stronger flash then K850....are you for real ?
K850 flash is much better then k800/k810 week flash. it produce sharper & better colors at longer distance. (only times i get good flash pics with my k800 & k810 was on Macro)
k850 flash. distance ca 3m
K850 flash. distance ca 2m
k850 flash. distance ca 1m
k850 flash. distance ca 20cm
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SaLiH
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@plankgatan - This is what I said:
Since you've been talking about xenon flashes in K800i/K810 & K850i here's my advice. K800i has weaker flash than K850i, but they both produce watercolor effect. I remember how good K750i + MXE-60 was.
p.s. Have you seen my K750i+MXE-60 photos on the previous page, they look much better than your K850i photos (no ''watercolor''/''oilpaint'' effect)! |
that-guy
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and what are your "proper" settings, plankgatan?.. hope to get an answer.. |
number1
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the flash on the k800 wasn't set up very well on the driver
1/2500 shutter with iso 400, it has dark background and noise now in my driver it's 1/25 iso 320 i have properly lit backgrounds and less noise. |
plankgatan
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On 2008-05-17 13:34:50, that-guy wrote:
and what are your "proper" settings, plankgatan?.. hope to get an answer..
what i mean is i get very good pics with my k850 if i just use example: cloudy + stabilzer
k850 with its 5 megapixels gives easily best details. show me a k750 who produce this kind of details when its cloudy weather ????? no way !
or details overall
or like Lucis excellent pics
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number1
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theres noise in the sky, there 5mp resized down of corse they look sharp i fought about buying a k850 i found one in the sale
http://shop.carphonewarehouse[....]ricsson/k850i-green-clearance/
i don't like it enough to spend £180 i brought my k800i for £170 but wanted it enough to pay that possibly when the prices drops again i might buy it i like it more than the new c series, until then i am more than happy to stick with my k800i. |
plankgatan
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who gives a shit about some small noise in the sky, when k850 produce super sharp pics like this ???? if you know how to use k850 properley its the best phone easy
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number1
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my k800 can produce sharp pics aswell this is my best shot with it
http://www.esato.com/phonepho[....]y+ericsson&model=k800i+special
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rockerZ
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On 2008-05-17 18:50:08, plankgatan wrote:
who gives a shit about some small noise in the sky, when k850 produce super sharp pics like this ???? if you know how to use k850 properley its the best phone easy
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[ This Message was edited by: plankgatan on 2008-05-17 17:53 ]
Dudde , i guess ur the only person in the world who knows how to get gud picz wit k850i ...  .. ! becux ur the only one who can get gud piczz wit k850 ? ... TBH , i think u edit thm wit Photoshop ... |
QVGA
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Am i the only one who thinks those pics are too good to come out from a K850? Or perhaps any phone cam?
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Raiderski
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show me a k750 who produce this kind of details when its cloudy weather ????? no way !
plank, i really can understand that you're defending K850 because also in my opinion this is very good (not the best) 5mp camphone. however i don't understand how can you write things like that quoted. looks like you really don't know what K750 can do. funny thing is that you wrote about details but maybe you forget that 2mp is always far away from 5mp? nonsense
i picked up some old photos from W800. all taken in cloudy days, not enough details? 
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max_wedge
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On 2008-05-17 02:42:52, Radiux399 wrote:
On 2008-05-17 02:18:38, max_wedge wrote:
the water colour of hte K800 is a real let down - it was the only thing that really disappointed me about the K800.
K750 + MXE is definately better, and even the K750 with only it's own light is better at close range than K800. Not to mention macro. The K800 flash drowns out detail on macro shots where the K750 light is just perfect. Not only that on macro shots the K800 focus beam is so bright it reflects strongly off the subject preventing the camera from focussing properly. I've found to focus macro's I usually have to put my finger over the focus-assist beam when focussing.
My K800 flash doesn't drown out details - it actually works very very well. In my experience the K850 flash tends to overblow everything, not the K800. Still, even using the flash, the K800/K850 keeps the camera running at ISO 400, causing the noise reduction to kick into overdrive. The result? The smears or "water painting" effect that everyone describes it as.
I prefer a bit of chromatic noise in my shots which I can easily remove on my PC, rather than the camera attempting to smear that noise away so I can't see it anymore. After all, there is no way to get that detail back once its been smeared away.
I only meant about the drowning out on macro shots - because you are so close the flash is too strong for macro shots. Believe me I take a lot of macros shots, often for work (labels on routers, dialers etc that I have to get the details for service providers, usually in tight dark spaces that means I have to use macro mode and flash but the flash is too bright - whereas K750+light I never had this problem)
On normal flash, the watercolour affect is really bad, it still means blurry pics, but atleast not drowned out as bad as macros.
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