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m600
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Has anyone heard or know when the release date of opera 9.5 is, or if there is a beta version that can be downloaded for P1i? | |
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Nipsen
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Unfortunately, no. Opera tells us to ask UIQ, UIQ says ask SE, and SE says nothing. So we don't really know whether there will be a beta available, or whether the p1 will eventually get a legal upgrade- option. I hope we will, of course - if for no other reason because it would extend the range and appeal of all of the UIQ devices. Besides, I don't think it'd be too far out to suggest that many people would be willing to pay good money for the browser as an upgrade for the existing phones.
Which, imo, is another option UIQ tech should seriously consider if they want to maintain the image of their platform as appealing for developers in the future, when thinking about how many units licensed software (perhaps initially exclusive on other units) might be made available for. Because I have no doubt that Opera soft would like to see the browser available as widely as possible - like any other developer for the platform. (As well as that developers would downprioritise UIQ licensing deals if they knew it would make their apps exclusive to new units only).
Of course.. that would probably mean clashing with SE over deployment policy, and UIQ hasn't really shown any willingness for that, so - lost opportunities for everyone: lesser sales all round, and mission accomplished as far as SE is concerned, I'm sure..
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Yeah, it will be very naive to think SE would give this upgrade to its customers as a gesture of good will...
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Well, the problem is that we won't get it at all (legally, at any rate). That's the point.
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ares
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donīt know  i am not sure
but, are you saying we wonīt be able to beta test a product that is actually and clearly being tested on the P1???
note: one of the videos also showed that Opera Mobile 9.5 actually replaced the old opera 8.65 on the P1 they were using - and no, there is no need of a special firmware for this - the new Quick Office 4 for UIQ3 effectively replaces the old Quickoffice that is on ROM, withou needing a firmware update
btw...it seems beta will start "in a couple of weeks"
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No, I know it's possible. The sis- files can use the same UID and just upgrade or overwrite the list of files. It's no problem doing it in practice. But as the opera- dudes say, they don't own the UIQ builds, and have no rights to distribute the UIQ browser. That's what UIQ does, and by extension SE. So in theory - unless UIQ somehow gives up the license they have, or modify it - and again that SE accepts that not just their new phones will get the new browser (and ruin their sales- pitch) - then we're not going to get the browser at all.
In contrast to s60 and WM customers, who can buy it from Opera. Now - do you think SE is going to realise, or react in any way, to the fact that they're making their own phones less appealing than the competition, by once again sheer negligence and lack of.. lack? I honestly don't think "wait and see" is going to do much good.
So.. I don't know. If people have contacts to use at this point, I suggest you take advantage of that, and imprint on them that when it comes to smartphones, the way to sell phones are different from the the feature phone market. Which means having support, real support, and actively working with those who make software for the platform - on their terms. Because that /increases/ the appeal of the PLATFORM, which again helps the manufacturer using that platform TO SELL MORE PHONES.
*sigh*
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ares
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i think you are being overly pessimistic...yes UIQ owns the license...but, that is precisely why the fact the P1 is being openly showed running Opera 9.5 means something
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..that it's a pre- release compiled for the UIQ version that was available? Obviously, that's something Opera can and will have to do to test it - but deploying it full- scale is going to be a different matter. And no, I don't think I am being overly pessimistic - SE thinks in this way: you want it, and we own it: therefore do as we say, and buy the new phone. But the net result is that anyone who buys software is going to flood over to other platforms.
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Well, i think by assuming YOU know how SE thinks NOW you are making yourself being overly pessimistic. I see no reason to be too much optimistic either, but i am available to make a bet with you that in some weeks i will be running opera 9.5 beta on my P1 and posting screenshots at uiqblog...want to go for it???
By the way...Opera did not just show the P1 running opera, they are using the P1 with opera 9.5 images on their site, on opera mobile blog, etc...why not using any windows mobile device or even a s60 device (like you said), that, by the way, no one saw so far running OM 9.5...
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There's a pre- beta release floating around for wm, though. Most of the presentations were given on WM devices. But I'm just stating facts, you know. We know that WM and s60 will get their own versions available from Opera soft. UIQ owners won't have that opportunity because of the licensing deal.
And as far as not using WM units more - UIQ is obviously one of the bigger partners Opera Mobile has, in that they have sponsored Opera in some way perhaps based on licensed units sold, or some other type of deal. Besides, you don't use WM units unless you're licensed to do so. So why wouldn't they use UIQ devices early on when selling Opera mobile? As well as prop them up, when they made it clear they would buy opera 9 for newer versions of UIQ? Obviously, that makes all kinds of sense. And the case is most likely that they only have those images available.
In any case, it still is up to SE, and I suppose Motorola, to find a reason for themselves to include a UIQ3.0 release in firmware - or else release UIQ from whatever deal on exclusive deployment on UIQ content they have. Say, such as dropping it out for sale after an initial cool- down period when they've pushed their new phone for about a year, perhaps.
Of course - should they fix this? Ought they? Must they? Yes. But that hasn't really translated into much lately, now has it. And I fully expect that when Opera 9 is released, it'll be for UIQ3.3, bundled with new units, and that's it. I even expect to have a rare statement from SE to their customers, hailing the unique "new thing" on their newest phone, that once again shows SE's "commitment to new technology".
(And at that time, I will grit my teeth and buy a WM unit. Or hopefully, whatever internet tablet with cdma support nokia would've fixed up by then..).
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well...we shall see
and if thereīs not other way...power to hackers
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 oh, yes. One way or the other.
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makbil
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I also think it's up to SE whether we will get Opera 9.5 on our P1/P990, which makes me somewhat pessimistic as well Having said that, PDF+ was able to provide a free upgrade to all UIQ3 users. Bottom line is, if SE is involved the older devices will probably not get the new Opera, I doubt we may even be able to buy it.
More power to the hackers - now that the protected folders have been cracked
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chlee
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Until there is flash support will 9.5 be out if I am not wrong. |
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On 2008-04-12 02:37:34, makbil wrote:
I also think it's up to SE whether we will get Opera 9.5 on our P1/P990, which makes me somewhat pessimistic as well Having said that, PDF+ was able to provide a free upgrade to all UIQ3 users. Bottom line is, if SE is involved the older devices will probably not get the new Opera, I doubt we may even be able to buy it.
More power to the hackers - now that the protected folders have been cracked
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So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
