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K800 - Not really a 3mp camera |
alrodlop35
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I agree with the previous poster. It's not like you're gonna be snapping a crime scene with a camera-phone...
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Merkie2
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On 2007-06-07 23:59:05, alrodlop35 wrote:
I agree with the previous poster. It's not like you're gonna be snapping a crime scene with a camera-phone...
Completely irrelevant. The person who opened this topic wants to know why the K800i takes bad pictures in comparison with the K750i at full resolution. Whether it's something that will keep you awake all night is a totally different question. |
mongoose3800
Joined: Nov 29, 2005
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On 2007-06-08 00:43:15, Merkie2 wrote:
On 2007-06-07 23:59:05, alrodlop35 wrote:
I agree with the previous poster. It's not like you're gonna be snapping a crime scene with a camera-phone...
Completely irrelevant. The person who opened this topic wants to know why the K800i takes bad pictures in comparison with the K750i at full resolution. Whether it's something that will keep you awake all night is a totally different question.
Exactly. I don't expect perfection from phone a camera. But I do expect photos the are better than the W800. And I do expect photos that are true 3mp photos. I have photo's from my w800 which I am amazed came out of a 2mp phone camera. But I am yet to get any wow factor out of my K800. |
alrodlop35
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The K790's camera is without a doubt better than the W800's (I have both). It's just that the W800 is way ahead of other 2MP camera-phones, while the K790 isn't that much better than other 3.2MP shooters.
It may not really leave the W800 in a ditch quality wise in perfect conditions but normally it takes better pictures. It also has much better software, less lag when taking a picture, faster auto-focus, brighter pictures with less noise and at least in my case, the pictures generally don't come out blurry. It's hard to take crisp pictures in a W800, your hand needs to be super steady.
The Xenon flash is another nice touch, nice for parties or get-togethers in dark restaurants.
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Arne Anka
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@mongoose3800
I do not exactly know what the reason is for your experience, but give this a thought for a while. I guess the sensor of K800 is probably of same or very similar size as the one in K750. Sqeezing in more pixles on same sensor size usually results in worse picture. The reason is the pixles must be smaller and more tightly spaced, which usually cause more noise and loss of details in pictures due to interference.
This is nothing specific to K800, but a generall thumb of rule.
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razec
Joined: Aug 20, 2006
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If you doubt about the pictures taken by K800 you may have a look here 
http://www.gsmarena.com/3mp_test_nokia_n80_se_k800-review-79.php
take note: it's a prototype phone yet before gsmarena decided to put it in a fight against the final retail N80 and you will obviously notice the resolution advantage upon the 3mp phones against K750. and afaik the focal length of the K800 is 5.2mm while K750 is at 4.8mm. proving it's sensor size advantage over the K750 so K800 has no problems with the sensor nor the resolution. but on your experience the algorithm problem is the culprit of that poor quality images. and so far i haven't seen any issues with the K800 pictures posted on esato camera photo gallery
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mongoose3800
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Well, I Guess I am too fusy. |
starhannes
Joined: Dec 10, 2005
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please keep experimenting mongoose!
if the k800i is a 2MP phone which stretches it to 3MP, i might as well stick with my k750!
thanks for the info so far! |
shaliron
Joined: Jan 15, 2006
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I highly doubt that SE is cheating us. They'd know better. The only thing that I can conclude from the photos is that the K800 sharpens its photos much more than the K750, which is noticeable from the halos and jagginess.
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Supa_Fly
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On 2007-06-08 09:18:23, mongoose3800 wrote:
Well, I Guess I am too fusy.
Boy would I say so! However, I like this conversation! I'm glad for it actually. Whomever took photos of the glasses look perfect. You mentioned you can see something, but didn't state where the flaws are.
If you're going to experiment, stay away from pen drawings/pencil drawings EVEN if assisted by a ruler. Y? Because those instruments/tools don't FULLY glide smooth, there are some inconsistencies on the surface which will cause the pen to jump around on.
Please continue to experiment, but it must be a double blind test for it to be valid enough; for SE & us. Use a W810/K750, K790/K800, against a NON-Auto Focus 2MP SE phone like the W880/W850. Take several photos at the same focal length, settings, and see from there.
Might I suggest taking photos of a subject with hair flowing in the wind, trees roughly from a 5-20 ft range. I suggest this as you will see some hair fibres, or tree branches that DON'T come out clearly.
Lastly, every SE phone that I've had, seems to be better at taking photos, the more I take them. The first 40 are always crap, blurry, smudged in quality. After that I get better without changing settings in day light.
CHeers.
PS I'm LOVING my K790!
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If you (have used) a K750 then got yourself a K800, you will NOT totally be amazed . . . but if you jump from a K750 to a 5 Mp camfone . . . then that's another story !
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max_wedge
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from the post that razec put of gsmarena comparo, K800 pics have more detail in them (only slightly). Certainly they are not interpolated 2MP pictures that would be really obvious.
There are some aspect in which they are poorer than the N80, but overall they are of very similar quality, so there is no interpolation going on I am sure of that.
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mongoose3800
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SE responded to me and assured me that the phone has a 3mp sensor. So, it must come down to jpg compressoion. They sort misunderstood what I meant by jaggered edges thinking I was referring the view on the screen - Perhaps the initial view before is loads fully. I've responded to them and hope I 've cleared up my point. It would be really nice to have the photo quality improved in the next F/W.
With that said, I have spent a lot of time looking at reviews and comparisons. It would seem I would probably be disappointed no matter which camera phone I bought. If it's not jagged edges it's over saturation of colour, blotchiness, sparkles and other artifects. |
opexblue
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I hope someday there will be super camera driver for k800, just like super camera driver for k750/w800/w810.
Have faith..!! |
RevoWution
Joined: May 26, 2007
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On 2007-06-07 22:02:39, JC08 wrote:
Geez people do u look at all your photos in the finest detail, i mean photos from a phone are meant for memories and if something extraordinary happens that u need to capture, then when u look at the photos u dont look at any jagged edges or lines come on its just for memories
On 2007-06-07 10:33:00, aremaboy wrote:
I still love my K800i. I'm not a professional photographer, and FYI, I just use my K800i to take 'simple' pictures, day to day snapshots and what it produces is more than enough. I do appreciate the technical analysis done by the OP of this thread, and I get a lot of knowledge out of it, as my reference to understand better about the phone. However, I am among those who love the phone and not bothered much about this issue. Everyone that sees my snapshots made by K800i always says: Wow..Once again, I represent the numerous end-users of the phone out there who just don't care much about the jagged edge or pixelated outline when being zoomed or who just lack of knowledge about how a good imaging should be. I do agree, a phone is just a phone. The camera embedded is just a plus factor. K800i may be an unpleasant move by SE, but when many people comment positively about it, the story goes smoothly then. Although we send emails and complain to SE, surely SE will advise you to fix the phone to a service centre or update the firmware. Besides, K800i life time almost ends as many new phones with better specs are just on the way. It's a bit late I'm afraid. And million K800i s have been sold across the globe and made the buyers experience compact phone with outstanding performance camera wise. Remember, how many of them are as technical as few people here. That's my point.
I agree with both of you lol.
Anyway, the photos I've taken with my K800i are very good indeed. Much better than the ones taken with my W810i. Although I think the K800i is much more prone to camera shake than the W810i...
All in all, the K800i is a great phone I have no complaints with the camera quality. Nor do I get jagged edges hehe! 
An as aremaboy said: in reality, the K800i is still just a phone. But a big plus is it has an excellent camera 
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