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Sony Ericsson Launches P1 qwerty Smartphone |
koto
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@Boinng
Not only twice but 4 times more ram is available for P1. Me either don't know for restart to improve performance on my P990 as it is super stable phone. It is fast, stable and reliable and the only real issue IMO is available ram.
What I want to say is that if I go to 10mb after a week of usage that means I lost 5mb during that week (15-5=10).
If I had 80mb I dont think that even after a month of serious usage multitasking would be in danger (80-25=55).
But I do agree with makbil that memory leak should be fixed and it seams we should wait next Symbian platform for that.
Also I will not buy P1 but wait the next generation of P serie. |
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Eric's Son
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On 2007-06-20 11:06:57, Boinng wrote:
@ makbil - I'm sure what you say is correct, but the truth is that the dreaded "memory leak" isn't a problem for me now on the M600 with current firmware, so it's not likely to be an issue for the P1 with twice as much memory available.
Actually the P1 will have 4 times more free RAM than the M600 (~78MB vs ~18MB).
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makbil
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I should make this clear, I have not had a restart to improve performance since R5 and am usually content with my P990 minus the existing bugs.
However, people should not make the mistake that the P1 will be radically different than the P990 in terms of memory management. I have read some users complain that they can't multitask 10 applications, with the P1 you wouldn't be able to multitask 15 applications (don't get stuck on the numbers, just an example  )
The radically different super device will not be the P1 and there is no guarantee that SE will not abandon the P1 after 6 months. The dream machine will be based on Symbian 9.5 and should surface in 2008. That is what I will wait for and decide whether I still want to go with SE based on their attitute.
P990i: A mistake, a curse and a disgrace  So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD |
leerichards
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Just been on the phone with 02 to change my tariff and they advised that the P1i is due to come into their supply chain July 23rd. My contract is now up so I'm trying to decide whether to go for the P1i or wait until October/November for the W960i. Decisions, decisions.... |
anonymuser
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@makbil, I know what you're saying and of course the next device (whatever and whenever that is) will be "better" - more than that, I don't think anyone is expecting the P1i to be radically different, certainly not in its memory management - but that extra memory that it has will, I'm certain, provide a sufficient buffer against the problems experienced in the M600/P990 etc, and that's really all that matters to me and many other people right now.
I'm happy with the M600, I'll be much more happy with the P1...
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Eric's Son
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On 2007-06-20 14:11:18, makbil wrote:
The radically different super device will not be the P1 and there is no guarantee that SE will not abandon the P1 after 6 months. The dream machine will be based on Symbian 9.5 and should surface in 2008. That is what I will wait for and decide whether I still want to go with SE based on their attitute.
That's right, the P1 is out just to correct the biggest mistakes in the piece of shite P990, which, I guess, has made a lot of damage to the reputation of SE. They want to push the P1 out "quickly" that's why it's the same platform without UIQ 3.1, HSDPA and so on. At least it will be useable, before it's too late. Probably 2008 will be the year of full recovery.
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anonymuser
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I see the P1 as kind of a P900 to the P990's P800, although in fairness that's probably a little harsh on the P800!
My point is that the P1 isn't intended to be any kind of dramatic leap forward in technology, just a repackaging of tried and tested components - or at least tried, tested, and subsequently improved components. Evolution rather than revolution, as everyone keeps saying. And in fairness, that's no bad thing - it's the evolutionary phones like the P900 and P910 (both almost identical to the P800 under the skin) that get all the plaudits, not troubled prototypes like the P800 or P990 - at least that's how it seems.
Just for the record, I loved my P800 and couldn't see the point of the P900 at the time, but in retrospect I realise the P900 packaging (and the relatively few improvements it contained) were a lot more successful than SE's first attempt...
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makbil
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@Boinng, so following on that chain of thought we should definitely skip every other generation of SE smartphone products.
I was lucky enough to use a friend's P800 for a few months, it was buggy but it was a very innovative product and based on that I bought the P900. I was so happy with the P900 I never considered upgrading to P910 - I still use it actually, I just can't part with it.
When the P990 came out, based on my experience with the P900 and my misplaced trust in SE, I just got it. Now, after 9 months I am disappointed because I know more or less that the P990 can never be what it could be because of SE. Basically a good hardware design that will never get the fw it deserves.
Now please tell me, why should I trust SE with the P1 or another phone, how will I know it is not another beta device paving the way for something else and that 6 months later SE again will tell me that they no longer wish to support that phone. The P1 is based on the same OS as the P990, so in a couple of months when they announce their new Symbian 9.5 super phone they may just decide to stop supporting P1.
Such is life, trust is hard to earn and easy to loose, just like money
P990i: A mistake, a curse and a disgrace So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD |
koto
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On 2007-06-20 23:46:01, makbil wrote:
Now please tell me, why should I trust SE with the P1 or another phone,
Simply because P990 and M600 performs extremely good. If P800 was inovative than P990 was revolutionary product and because of its multifunctionality still is. It is out of principle that I demand better memory management in my P990 but in practise I do amazing things with it. And if, at the end, memory is the only problem with P990 then 4 X more memory in P1 will solve that last obstacle IMO (and according michals review - mysymbian).
As I said I will wait for the next P generation but believe that P1 will be fantastic phone. But lets see.... |
deuxani
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I have a question for the M600i users. If you are in the main menu, do the numbers on the keyboard function as shortcuts like on regular SE phone? (Like if you press 5 you go immediately to messages, 8 for contacts, etc) In this way you could navigate through the menus very quickly without using the touchscreen and jogdail. |
masseur
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no, unfortunately not.
a short press enters that digit for dialling
otherwise, pressing and holding 1 gives you voicemail
any other press and hold takes you into contacts
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deuxani
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Thanks for the quick reply masseur! So the only way to navigate on the M600i and the P1i is using the touchscreen and the jogdail.... and the shiftbuttons can be used to switch between tabs.
Wouldn't it be a great idea if the 2 button could be used for up, the 4 for left, the 6 for right, the 8 for down and the 5 to select, to navigate the menu's. 
But still.... I think I've made up my mind..... I'm getting a P1i. Let's hope O2 is right about that july release date (or even august would be fine). |
masseur
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I've enjoyed every minute of my M600 and to tell you how much I use it... my phones are normally spotlessly clean with no marks until the day I sell them, but the M600 is really starting to show some signs of wear and tear!
this is a great product ilne and I'll be continuing down this path as long as SE keep bringing us new models in this form factor and keyboard
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Toney_Ericsson
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When do you think it will be available in the UK sim free? on the o2 web site I see under coming soon it says July, no mention on the carphone warehouse web site yet though.
I think I may well get the P1i.
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tkao2025
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A lot of people are talking about a July release, but as I understand from reading MR's Review, it is coming out in September. Anyone else have any inside scoop as to when they might release the unlocked version? |
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Posted: 2007-06-20 12:05
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
Sent from my Quietly Brilliant HTC.
