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On 2007-06-14 12:26:36, Nitro Fan wrote:
Whilst I agree with almost all of what you say here, I must disagree with you regarding the absolute superiority of use the P1 seems to offer over P Series Flip devices.
I am fortunate to own both the W950 and the P990 and (for me) only the P990i (with flip attached) offers truly one handed operation, agreed you can use the w950 one handed but for me it requires some nifty hand play so for me the matter of P1 usability is no quite so cut and dried as it may be for you.
I'm not sure if maybe the W950 is missing something from the M600's interface, but certainly with the M600 it's quite easy to perform any regular task one handed - you have the jog wheel to navigate the menu, the three soft buttons at the bottom of the screen for options and submenus (again navigated with the wheel), the back button to get you out of anything or lock/unlock the screen... I also have the hardware button on the right hand side set to bring up the task manager, which is useful. There's extremely little I can't do, comfortably, without getting the stylus out.
The P990, by contrast, seems fudged - the full screen mode has been deliberately crippled for one-handed use by the placement of the soft buttons (at the top of the screen rather than the bottom) so you really have to use the flip - but all that gives you is some limited cut-down functionality, not the full range of apps you may have installed. In UIQ2 it made sense to have it, but UIQ3 is different - we're talking about an UI that's being deployed in non-touchscreen phones like the MOTO Z8, there's really no excuse for it to not be as easy to use in the SE's phones!
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saps
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I have also access to another site intended for Vendors and there the prize is set to ~3600 SEK + VAT and that gives at least a hint that the price won’t end up at ~599 EUR (hopefully)  |
Eric's Son
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On 2007-06-19 11:25:26, Boinng wrote:
I'm not sure if maybe the W950 is missing something from the M600's interface, but certainly with the M600 it's quite easy to perform any regular task one handed - you have the jog wheel to navigate the menu, the three soft buttons at the bottom of the screen for options and submenus (again navigated with the wheel), the back button to get you out of anything or lock/unlock the screen... I also have the hardware button on the right hand side set to bring up the task manager, which is useful. There's extremely little I can't do, comfortably, without getting the stylus out.
And you need the freakin' left / right arrow keys at the bottom of the keyboard to move between tabs. |
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On 2007-06-19 11:42:52, Eric's Son wrote:
And you need the freakin' left / right arrow keys at the bottom of the keyboard to move between tabs.
Aha! Yep, that's probably the missing link between the M600/P1 and the W950/W960 - those two little keys help out a lot.
Of course they wouldn't be necessary if SE had stuck with the old 5-way jog dial - that would have made the whole range a lot easier to use... but at the least the M600 & P1 have something to replace those missing directions, unlike the the P990, W950, and W960.
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On 2007-06-19 11:30:00, saps wrote:
I have also access to another site intended for Vendors and there the prize is set to ~3600 SEK + VAT and that gives at least a hint that the price won’t end up at ~599 EUR (hopefully)
4500SEK = 480Euro would be a muthaf**kin good price. |
wimam
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I c that the new P1's keyboard contains two characters in each button, which will make it a bit difficult for those of us with broad fingers to make precision typing.
Unless the keyboard buttons are designed for precision typing such as the I-mate models and the Benq P50 & P51
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Nitro Fan
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On 2007-06-19 11:25:26, Boinng wrote:
On 2007-06-14 12:26:36, Nitro Fan wrote:
Whilst I agree with almost all of what you say here, I must disagree with you regarding the absolute superiority of use the P1 seems to offer over P Series Flip devices.
I am fortunate to own both the W950 and the P990 and (for me) only the P990i (with flip attached) offers truly one handed operation, agreed you can use the w950 one handed but for me it requires some nifty hand play so for me the matter of P1 usability is no quite so cut and dried as it may be for you.
I'm not sure if maybe the W950 is missing something from the M600's interface, but certainly with the M600 it's quite easy to perform any regular task one handed - you have the jog wheel to navigate the menu, the three soft buttons at the bottom of the screen for options and submenus (again navigated with the wheel), the back button to get you out of anything or lock/unlock the screen... I also have the hardware button on the right hand side set to bring up the task manager, which is useful. There's extremely little I can't do, comfortably, without getting the stylus out.
The P990, by contrast, seems fudged - the full screen mode has been deliberately crippled for one-handed use by the placement of the soft buttons (at the top of the screen rather than the bottom) so you really have to use the flip - but all that gives you is some limited cut-down functionality, not the full range of apps you may have installed. In UIQ2 it made sense to have it, but UIQ3 is different - we're talking about an UI that's being deployed in non-touchscreen phones like the MOTO Z8, there's really no excuse for it to not be as easy to use in the SE's phones!
Hi Boinng
I have not tried the M600 so how do you move between mail folders on that device? on the P990i with flip I just press the direction pad left or right same for most tabs, on the W950 I have to resort to two hands to change mail folders and tabs
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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@nitro fan - it's the two arrow keys (actually the * and # keys) on the M600 that move left and right like that. I don't suppose that works on the W950 too?
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Nitro Fan
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On 2007-06-19 14:14:56, Boinng wrote:
@nitro fan - it's the two arrow keys (actually the * and # keys) on the M600 that move left and right like that. I don't suppose that works on the W950 too?
No it doesnt unfortunatly if it did it would be a help and would have made the phone much easier to use I have just this minute sold mine this afternoon!
I have owned the ... T68i T610, P800, P900, P910, P990, W950, P1, W960 But SE have now totally lost the plot. |
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On 2007-06-19 18:16:42, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2007-06-19 14:14:56, Boinng wrote:
@nitro fan - it's the two arrow keys (actually the * and # keys) on the M600 that move left and right like that. I don't suppose that works on the W950 too?
No it doesnt unfortunatly if it did it would be a help and would have made the phone much easier to use I have just this minute sold mine this afternoon!
So how do you go left and right or change tabs on a w950? |
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On 2007-06-19 12:37:09, wimam wrote:
I c that the new P1's keyboard contains two characters in each button, which will make it a bit difficult for those of us with broad fingers to make precision typing.
haven't you saw m600 has the same keyboard? imo m600's keyboard is very is to use.
btw, what's with that photo?
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anonymuser
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On 2007-06-19 18:16:42, Nitro Fan wrote:
No it doesnt unfortunatly if it did it would be a help and would have made the phone much easier to use I have just this minute sold mine this afternoon!
Interesting - this could be a serious plus point for the P1i over the W960i then, since i'm guessing the respective keypads will work (or not work) the same..
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Eric's Son
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On 2007-06-19 22:16:46, londonlad123 wrote:
So how do you go left and right or change tabs on a w950?
I guess you unleash the stylus or you grow nile on your finger like a Spanish guitar player... |
makbil
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Guys, don't get your hopes up too high regarding the P1. It will have the same memory leak as the P990 and even with the extra memory users will soon discover that it is not much better than the current UIQ3 devices. The wise choice, if you are still with SE by that time, is to wait for a Symbian 9.5 device and be the beta tester for that 
Here is why:
Garbarge Collector
Symbian OS uses a Garbage Collector as memory manager - in theory this should ease programming.
However Until Symbian 9.5 Symbian only uses an inferior non moving collector. (To be fair: moving collectors don't go well with programming languages which support pointer arithmetic)
With a non moving collector memory becomes fragmented into ever smaller parts until larger memory requests cannot be satisfied any more. To make matter worse: Fragmentation happens a lot quicker of only little free space is available - Which is the case for early UIQ3 phones.
This leads to the dreaded "Restart to improve performance" as restarting is the ultimate way to reclaim and compact all memory. Just ending all programs won't help since there are quite a few programs on the phone which will never end.
As mentioned Symbian 9.5 rectifies this shortcomings and now uses a moving collector which will be able to re-arrange memory so that free memory will be available as one great continues lump.
XIP or the lack of it
Prior to SymbianOS 9.0, many Symbian devices used XIP (eXecute In Place) NOR based memory, which mean nothing had to be loaded into RAM to execute, but this came at the cost of very slow write times. Starting with 9.0, most devices moved to a NAND based memory system, which does not support XIP, and so EVERYTHING has to be loaded into RAM (and kept there) in order to execute. That's why it takes over 40MB of RAM to run the system, as everything is kept at all times.
P990i: A mistake, a curse and a disgrace  So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD |
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@ makbil - I'm sure what you say is correct, but the truth is that the dreaded "memory leak" isn't a problem for me now on the M600 with current firmware, so it's not likely to be an issue for the P1 with twice as much memory available. I'm sure that better memory management would be a more elegant solution, and I look forward to seeing it in future devices, but the chances of my P1 ever "restarting to improve performance", when my own M600 with half the memory never does, is practically nil.
The firmware in the current range of phones may not be perfect, but it's good enough now for mine to be perfectly stable even without any extra memory.
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Posted: 2007-06-19 11:25
So I lowered my expectations and settled for a P1i. I couldn't keep my expectations so low for a long time so now I have an HTC Touch HD 
