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wolveslad2005
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got a memory card for £39 offnet a gig. put it im ne k800 and formated it but only got 811meg and not a gig, anyone know why? is it faulty |
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altemyr
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I noticed something similar with my 512MB M2 card. I also have a Motorola E770v with a 512MB SD Transflash card in it, and when I got the K800, I basically transfered all the contents (mostly mp3's) of the Transflash card to the computer, and from there I transfered that contents to the M2 card in the K800. After thsat maneuver, the contents of the M2 card and the Transflash card was identical. What I noticed then was, that the "Space left" reported by K800 was much lower than the space left on the Transflash card repoted by the Moto. I assume that the memory organization is different, thet the overhead and file system management needs more space on the M2 cards, or that Sony simply lies about the actual size of their memory cards. 811 megs in a 1G is rather low though, I have read somewhere in a discussion forum like this that they contain a little bit more than 900 megs. |
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My 1gb I used 2 have in my K750i was 956mb. Mine was an original Sony card, my 512mb in my W810i only gives 467mb. I found this even with other types of cards, mmc, sd, mspro and duo.
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itsuki
Joined: Aug 21, 2006
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don't forget about the "hidden" systems files (not anymore if you use a card reader) that do not appear in the phone. They too take up chunks of memory. |
sapporobaby
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There is a thread that discusses this in detail. If you use the search feature, you will find it.
Second: formatting, cluster sizes, FAT 16 or FAT 32 all play a part in the usable size available. If you buy a 512 card, do not expect to receive 512. It is just that simple. |
altemyr
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On 2006-08-21 09:13:22, sapporobaby wrote:
Second: formatting, cluster sizes, FAT 16 or FAT 32 all play a part in the usable size available. If you buy a 512 card, do not expect to receive 512. It is just that simple.
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Of course not, it's the same as when a 160 GB harddrive for the PC contains 155 GB when formatted, but the difference, 811MB in a 1024 MB (1G) card is a loss of about 20%, and that's far too much. The memory stick is incorreclty labelled IMHO, it should have been labelled 900M instead. |
sapporobaby
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Everyone knows that a 512 or 160 or 20 gig drive will yield different sizes than what is actually represented on the drive. However, clusters formatted in FAT, or NTFS, FAT 32. 4K will yield different results than an 8K file clusters. The bottom line is that you never get what is advertised and EVERYONE should know this.
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kinky-chinky
Joined: Jul 02, 2006
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Pretty certain that when I purchased my M2 card, I just plugged it in without having to format it.
I'm also certain that I had over 900Mb on my 1Gb card of usable storage.
Not sure if formatting it has caused the dramatic loss is usable capacity. |
masseur
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the 1gb M2 has 911mb free when new so i suspect the original poster mistyped when he said 811mb
btw, I have never (ever) formatted any memory card be it memory stick, secure digital, MMC or whatever
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below24
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@ masseur,
WHy have you never formatted before?
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masseur
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2 reasons really.
firstly because there has never been a need. These cards work straight out of the box
secondly, I have seen all the issues here with memory cards being formatted on the pc, presumably incorrectly, and then which won't work in the phone again.
I've never really seen a pattern in these issues though in previous times formatting from FAT to FAT32 was probably often a cause.
many memory stick issues seem to go unresolved and the member ends up returning them for replacement
btw, this page on memorystick.com gives approximate usable capacity for each memory stick and notes:-
"The usable capacity of Memory Stick Micro is different from that of Memory Stick and Memory Stick PRO due to the difference of the inside devices and system designs"
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sapporobaby
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Thanks Masseur for providing the page. I remember it was somewhere but I could not remember it.
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altemyr
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On 2006-08-21 10:02:38, sapporobaby wrote:
Everyone knows that a 512 or 160 or 20 gig drive will yield different sizes than what is actually represented on the drive. However, clusters formatted in FAT, or NTFS, FAT 32. 4K will yield different results than an 8K file clusters. The bottom line is that you never get what is advertised and EVERYONE should know this.
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Well, I do understand that, due to file system, clustering, block sizes etc, the actual usable disk/memory space is less than the raw size, but what I don't understand is, why the usable size is less on a 512 MB M2 than on a 512 MB MicroSD/Transflash |
sapporobaby
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Ah, now I understand. Good question. I draw a blank here. There are some memory guru's here in this forum that might be able to help you with. Use the link that Masseur provided and start there. Good luck.
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leerichards
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According to the FAQ on memorystick.com
Q10. Is the Memory Stick media capacity given on the package equal to the usable capacity?
A10. No. Media capacity indicated on the packaging differs from actual usable capacity since a portion of the memory is used for data management file functions. (The minimum guaranteed capacity of Sony Memory Stick media is always specified on the back side of the packaging.)
Info (as linked by Massuer earlier)
Media - User Capacity
1GB - 900MB
512MB - 450MB
256MB - 220MB
64MB - 59MB
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