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How does K800CyberShot differ from K750 Camera module? |
aremaboy
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Is it only because of BestPic and image stabilizer that a cam-phone deserves a CyberShot title? Or is it only a trick of trade?
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driftmania
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and it's 3.2 megapixel. |
andrewkeith5
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my best guess would be rthat the cybershot phone(s) use a cybershot sensor and lens, but the non-cybershot just use any old thing sony can find
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The k800i does not have the same camera module as a sony camera as the k800i uses a cmos sensor and the sony camera uses a ccd sensor.
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Better/worse?
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kalleboo
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CMOS is cheaper, smaller and uses less power.
CCD has superior image quality. |
Tehy03
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On 2006-08-07 11:13:02, jcwhite_uk wrote:
The k800i does not have the same camera module as a sony camera as the k800i uses a cmos sensor and the sony camera uses a ccd sensor.
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I thought they use same module as they use in Sony cameras 
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Vercetti
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Doesn't matter what sensor the cam is I love my K800i and the camera 
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Daisun
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On 2006-08-07 13:04:47, Tehy03 wrote:
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On 2006-08-07 11:13:02, jcwhite_uk wrote:
The k800i does not have the same camera module as a sony camera as the k800i uses a cmos sensor and the sony camera uses a ccd sensor.
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I thought they use same module as they use in Sony cameras
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Umm.. haven't we gone a bit off topic? The orginal poster asked about the difference between the K750 camera module and the K800 one, not the K800 and a sony camera module...o_o... |
max_wedge
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On 2006-08-07 11:13:02, jcwhite_uk wrote:
The k800i does not have the same camera module as a sony camera as the k800i uses a cmos sensor and the sony camera uses a ccd sensor.
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So this Sony Cybershot with cmos sensor is all in my imagination?
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/camera/review/78/page_1.html
btw, cmos USED TO BE inferior, but cmos chips are fast becoming just as capable as ccd, and some cmos chips are now actually better than most ccd's. So if you are going to refute someone, check your facts.
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boompang
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one thing i realized and really hate is that the K800 imposes software noise-smoothout filter on its photo to mask the noise which is common on CMOS capture devices. I used to use Noiseware on my K750 photos when i think necessary, but on my K800 the built-in software filter often make details in photos look fake and washed out. I think they're just cheating by implying such cheap method on the quality-wise not so different handset camera and call it a "Cyber-Shot" ! |
jcwhite_uk
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On 2006-08-10 16:51:55, max_wedge wrote:
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On 2006-08-07 11:13:02, jcwhite_uk wrote:
The k800i does not have the same camera module as a sony camera as the k800i uses a cmos sensor and the sony camera uses a ccd sensor.
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So this Sony Cybershot with cmos sensor is all in my imagination?
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/camera/review/78/page_1.html
btw, cmos USED TO BE inferior, but cmos chips are fast becoming just as capable as ccd, and some cmos chips are now actually better than most ccd's. So if you are going to refute someone, check your facts.
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Sorry, I wasnt aware of the R1. Although I wouldnt compare a 10.3MP R1 against a 3.2MP K800i. I have now searched for other CMOS Cybershots and couldnt find any (you are welcome to point out more to prove me wrong), including 3.2MP CMOS Cybershots, so I would conclude that the K800i doesnt have a Cybershot camera pickup.
I would not have been surprised if Sony helped slightly with the development though.
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On 2006-08-07 11:13:02, jcwhite_uk wrote:
The k800i does not have the same camera module as a sony camera as the k800i uses a cmos sensor and the sony camera uses a ccd sensor.
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So this Sony Cybershot with cmos sensor is all in my imagination?
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/camera/review/78/page_1.html
btw, cmos USED TO BE inferior, but cmos chips are fast becoming just as capable as ccd, and some cmos chips are now actually better than most ccd's. So if you are going to refute someone, check your facts.
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Sorry, I wasnt aware of the R1. Although I wouldnt compare a 10.3MP R1 against a 3.2MP K800i. I have now searched for other CMOS Cybershots and couldnt find any (you are welcome to point out more to prove me wrong), including 3.2MP CMOS Cybershots, so I would conclude that the K800i doesnt have a Cybershot camera pickup.
I would not have been surprised if Sony helped slightly with the development though.
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[ This Message was edited by: jcwhite_uk on 2006-08-11 20:22 ]
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But a cybershot camera doesn't have to have a ccd, that's the only point I'm making. I wouldn't for a second compare a 3.2 with a 10MP, but you used the argument that the K800 can't be a cybershot because it has a cmos sensor - I'm just making the point that cmos sensors aren't as incompentent as you think, and therefore it would be within reason to call a cmos based 3.2MP camera "cybershot". Besides I think you are missing the point. "Cybershot" is about other technologies and end user features not just Megapixels.
Why shouldn't the K800 be called a "cybershot" camera? After all no one says a walkman phone isn't a true "walkman" just because it doesn't use atrac, which is traditionally the walkman digital music format?
If a new Sony Cybershot camera was produced, and Sony claimed it had a "Cybershot camera module", yet that module wasn't in any other cybershot camera's, would you claim it is therefore NOT a cybershot? No of course you wouldn't. The K800 is the same. It is the newest bottom of the range Sony Cybershot camera. And I wouldn't be surprised if you do see the K800 camera module appear in bottom of the cybershot range - because OEM's ARE moving to cmos sensors where only ccd have been used in the past. If there is one camera with a cmos sensor (2 if you include the K800), then more will follow you can be sure of it.
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Sorry, I wasnt aware of the R1. Although I wouldnt compare a 10.3MP R1 against a 3.2MP K800i. I have now searched for other CMOS Cybershots and couldnt find any (you are welcome to point out more to prove me wrong), including 3.2MP CMOS Cybershots, so I would conclude that the K800i doesnt have a Cybershot camera pickup.
I would not have been surprised if Sony helped slightly with the development though.
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It's quite clear from this link, that Sony's specification of a "Cybershot" is completely independent of whether the chip is a ccd or cmos:
http://www.sonystyle.ca/html/CybershotGlossary/02.html
Regarding Sony helping with development, that's been happening since the K750. The K750/W800 camera module is the first camerphone module made by Sony (ie: not SE, but Sony themselves):
http://www.chipworks.com/WebR[....]ShowOverview.asp?ReportID=2486
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popocar
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K800i is so far better than K750i, if we talk about their camera..
1) 3.2 mega
2) real Xenon flash
3) best pic
4) more useful and wide range of shoot mode
5) stabillizer
6) photo with more detail
7) night photo with much less noise
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