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maryus51
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Now i'm really in doubt. I've seen the pictures tooked with this fone and are very good ( posted here on ESATO ) . But , the thing is like this : I've read on Phone Arenas review > http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/readreviews.php?id=1345&page=6 < that the camera is not good at all . it has 3 off 5 points .. And there are some photos taken with it , and are quite ugly , i mean are ugly indeed ..
I want to ask especially the people who took pictures with this fone , how are them ? Cool , nice ? like in Esato site ? ... the uploaders of those pictures from this site have made big modifications ? Thanks for any reply.
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QVGA
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Its more of a lucky shot. Sometimes you can end up with really good ones, and sometimes really bad ones. |
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If you want to take proper photos go buy a compact digital camera... if you just want the odd snap shot use the phone... phones out at the moment still have a long way to go before they match the capabilities and features of a £150 digital camera.
Pics from w810 come out ok most of the time:
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bico
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I agree with QVGA. That is my experience too.
You have to try the available camera settings to get the optimal result.
In good light conditions the pictures are normally very good indeed, but in bad light conditions (like in really sunny places or at night) they might be either over- or underexposed.
And don't forget: It's a phone with a camera, not a camera with a phone.
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BlacK Devil
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if you want a camera with a phone try the k800  ... not to much difference in price either
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W810 cam is ok, i didnt noticed any diff to k750 etc
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On 2006-07-27 10:46:29, BlacK Devil wrote:
if you want a camera with a phone try the k800 ... not to much difference in price either
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still wouldnt class the the K800 as a camera with a phone - not by a long way!!
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BlacK Devil
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On 2006-07-27 13:21:18, JJ! wrote:
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On 2006-07-27 10:46:29, BlacK Devil wrote:
if you want a camera with a phone try the k800 ... not to much difference in price either
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still wouldnt class the the K800 as a camera with a phone - not by a long way!!
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no but it is the closest relative of a camera with a phone 
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On 2006-07-27 13:21:18, JJ! wrote:
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On 2006-07-27 10:46:29, BlacK Devil wrote:
if you want a camera with a phone try the k800 ... not to much difference in price either
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still wouldnt class the the K800 as a camera with a phone - not by a long way!!
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It's a sign of how mature the digital camera has become, that even cheap ones (and even the K800 camera) are competent and useful cameras.
A 3mp image will print out at 8x10 just as well as a 35mm negative scanned at 2400dpi. When digital cameras were .3MP, professionals claimed that a 3MP camera would be equal to 35mm film. This is obviously absurd in hindsight, but it shows that what we consider a quality digital camera is somewhat subjective and relative to the status quo.
The K800 is a digital camera with a phone. You could also call it a digital camera with internet access, or a phone with a games console, or a mediaplayer with mass data storage. You can call it which ever way you want, but at the end of the day the K800 is, among other things, a Digital Camera.
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JJ!
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a digital camera without the basics of optical zoom!!
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max_wedge
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So? Low end cameras generally don't even have auto-focus let alone an optical zoom so why compare an optical zoomed camera with the K750 and K800?
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The K750 has 2MP, manual exposure (iso really), white balance, and on top of that auto-focus and macro mode, so it's ahead of the game on a few scores compared to an entry level digital camera.
If you want an intermediate camera, pc world say this:
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The K750 can almost keep up with the lower-intermediate range, falling down on the optics only. (prices in AUD)
As for Digital zoom, it's a joke, I never use it in any shape or form, you've got no argument there.
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QVGA
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If it doesnt have optical zoom, it doesnt qualify for a worth while camera. Its just that simple. In 7/10 occastions you need some kind of zoom |
maryus51
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Thx for the reply's , Yes these pictures are very good in comparison with that ones from Phone Arena .
I think maybe is the firmware , due that the test was taken in January of this year 
Yes you're right with the digital cameras,they are better to take photos . But , I want to have all in one , that's the thing .And for my needs , w810 is quite good.
PS: Here in Canada , the UMTS network is not avaible yet . So all this Third Generation fones are not avaible here , including K800 .
Soo the w810 is my only good option around here .
Good Luck to everyone!
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maryus51
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Who tryed Siemens CX65 ? It was a cool fone a few years ago. That was my first fone with camera. Surprisly , it had a 0.3 Mpixel camera , and it took very good pictures for that class , even you could read the text from the monitor.
My next one was Nokia 6230 , it had better music capabilities and speaker , but i was dissapointed by the quality of pictures ,still a 0.3 Mpixel camera . And had a small display ( 128x128 ) in comparison with Siemens CX65 wich had 132 x 176 pixels .
Here is a Nokia 6230 photo (or 3 ) just for the old days , heheh
Cheers.
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max_wedge
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On 2006-07-27 19:32:59, QVGA wrote:
If it doesnt have optical zoom, it doesnt qualify for a worth while camera. Its just that simple. In 7/10 occastions you need some kind of zoom
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You are entitled to that view but I find it narrow-minded. Some of the greatest photographic works the world has seen were created with shitty cameras. For example the box brownie photographers, or a photographer (whose name I can't remember) who used compact 35mm (no zoom of any kind) cameras for his art.
The single most important factor in photography is composition. The second most important factor is can it be viewed well on it's intended display medium.
Any other factor is relatively unimportant. Yes optical zoom gives you more control, but less control just pushes more creativity back onto the photographer. It's part of the challenge and interest in photography to use a limited device (all cameras are imperfect even high-end dslr's) to achieve the desired result. If you can't use a camera without a zoom, then you simply aren't trying hard enough.
Checkout these pictures and if you still believe you need massive detail and zooms to take a good photo:
Box Brownie Photography
Reichhold Digital Camera Photography
So I say, bring on that SE camera phone photography, and hang the critics Go the W810!!
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