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se810i
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Hi
I have just about upgraded to SE 810i on Orange and so not seem to get EDGE connection (I live in central London where it should be available) - the "E" sign, although I do get GPRS. Tried to call both Orange and SE, but SE say that a SIM card update might be needed and most people at Orange wireless dept. do not even know what EDGE is and say that they do not support it. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if yes how did you go about solving it? Cheers |
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scotsboyuk
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@se810i
As far as I was aware Orange's EDGE network wasn't commercially available. I hadn't heard of Orange rolling out an EDGE service and there data services website makes no mention of it. Furthermore, the Orange specifications page for the W810 makes no mention of EDGE.
Did you hear that EDGE was available in London? If so, where did you hear that from? It may just be a trial that Orange are conducting. Apart from a possible trial, it seems that Orange's EDGE network is not available for use.
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awave
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as far as i know, none of the UK networks support EDGE at the current time. I thought that Orange did, but since you have called them and they have told you that they do not, then they probably don't. anyway - what's the point in them releasing EDGE on their networks, when they need to get all the money back on UMTS 3G network? - all of the networks spent alot of money on their 3G licenses so they probably will not be able to offer all the latest tech. (especially when EDGE is backwards from UMTS!). If anyone knows any different, please correct me! - I'm gonna go and have a look at Orange's website to see whether they do or not now though...
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se810i
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Thanks for replies. EDGE on Orange is mentioned for example here:
http://www.business.orange.co[....]ss&c=OUKPage&cid=1144404055925
Also as far as I remember several people on Esato were mentioning that they get EDGE in London.
Can it be the case that EDGE is offered only for business customers? |
DVS
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From Orange.com:
'Orange launches UK’s first EDGE network'
EDGE complements the Orange 3G network, improving delivery of advanced mobile services in the UK
Five 3G and EDGE-enabled handsets available from Orange on launch
EDGE-enabled BlackBerry 8700g and Business Everywhere laptop data card launch this quarter.
London. 1st February 2006: Orange today launched the UK's first live EDGE network, providing its customers with faster data speeds when using advanced mobile services such as email-on-the-move, the Internet, and music and video downloads.
Enhanced Data for GSM Evolution (EDGE) is an industry recognised technology that provides download and browsing speeds that are up to three-times faster than GPRS. Orange tested the EDGE network throughout 2005 and now has 300 network sites enabled for EDGE across the UK. Orange intends to have over 1,500 sites enabled for EDGE by the end of the year.
The EDGE network complements Orange's existing 3G network by providing enhanced delivery of advanced mobile services and by extending Orange UK's coverage for high data speeds. The Orange EDGE radio network is based on technology designed and supplied by Nokia and is live on the Orange network today.
(More information on the Orange website) |
scotsboyuk
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I suppose it makes sense to offer EDGE if they have it in place. The problem with EDGE is that because it hasn't been offered in the UK up until now and because Orange are the only network doing so, there aren't a large number of EDGE capable handsets on sale in the UK. One imagines that Orange will be looking to offer some more EDGE handsets in the near future.
I wonder how this will impact on Orange's 3G business? Will Orange continue to offer EDGE once their 3G network has reached the same coverage levels as their GSM network?
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goldenface
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Well if Orange makes money on Data charges then I suppose the more ways of people consuming data the better! It all helps them get that money back.
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scotsboyuk
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@goldenface
That's a good point, but I wonder how EDGE will impact their 3G business in the long run. If they want people to migrate to UMTS then offering EDGE handsets might hinder that, Of course if they start selling dual EDGE-UMTS handsets it might not be a problem.
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goldenface
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@scotsboyuk I think the industry as a whole has sort of resigned itself to the notion that 3G hasn't been the roaring success it should have been, not yet anyway. The huge cost of the licences meant great rEwards were anticipated. To me 3G has a long way to go before being the primary network. 3G to the networks probably meant huge amount of data traffic and lots of revenue however, to Joe Public it means bargain minutes and texts from 3 network. So all in all I think they just want their money back.
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scotsboyuk
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@goldenface
Yes I would agree with the assessment that 3G isn't bringing the rewards that were perhaps expected. However, I don't think that will impact the spread of 3G coverage; the networks are heavily committed to 3G and they need to make it work. The networks in Europe have really gone as far as they can with 2.5G, they can't really offer anything new, certainly nothing that is going to enable them to capture huge market shares from their competitors.
Content is probably their best bet e.g. music, videos, etc. I think they will have to reduce data prices though, that should help spur a greater uptake of 3G based content services.
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awave
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so my instincts were right...they do have EDGE on orange. Have you got an old sim-card...or did you use the sim-card that came with the phone....or was there not one that came with it :S i don't know...how long have you had the phone...it could take orange a couple of days to enable EDGE on your simcard etc. things like that...
awave - hope this helps! |
themarques
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Edge works fine for me in London, it seems to be mostly in Major town centres..and the speeds are pretty good. I was using it fine with my Qtek S200 and streaming video from the pc to the phone and it was ok....
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Super G
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On 2006-06-04 13:01:41, se810i wrote:
Hi
I have just about upgraded to SE 810i on Orange and so not seem to get EDGE connection (I live in central London where it should be available) - the "E" sign, although I do get GPRS. Tried to call both Orange and SE, but SE say that a SIM card update might be needed and most people at Orange wireless dept. do not even know what EDGE is and say that they do not support it. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if yes how did you go about solving it? Cheers
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EDGE *is* on on Orange UK. Launched commercially on Feb 1st.
http://www.orange.com/English/media/pressReleaseMC.asp?id=1038
The "E" you get on your phone does mean you get EDGE (EGPRS). I dont understand what you mean by you getting GPRS...
And  is clearly incompetent if they say you need a SIM card update. Of course you dont need a new SIM card! And these Orange dept obviously has no clue what they're talking about. |
392MHz
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You only have to put the same SIM into an EDGE capable phone.
EDGE is similar to GPRS but around 5 times faster.
Theoreticall maximum speed of GPRS is 53 kbps, and of EGDE is 240 kbps.
If You have a Sonyericsson, a little E over the signal bars shows that EDGE is available in your area.
In Hungary I measured EDGE with a W810i: download speed was constantly around 184..200 kbps.
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se810i
Joined: Jun 04, 2006
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I might have worded my email wrongly and hence misunderstanding, but at the moment I only get a letter "G" over the signal bar, which signifies only GPRS. I wish I could get "E" ! The phone was upgrade directly from Orange about 3 weeks ago and it came with a new SIM card. This is really frustrating, especially when people onthe other end of the line go "EDGE....what is that?". Similar thing with SE support as well.
At the moment I suspect it is because of heavy Orange customisation has gone wrong somewhere, will keep on fighting for this holy grail edge |
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Posted: 2006-06-04 13:01
