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The P800 suffers from the 'swiss knife syndrome' |
invaders
Joined: Jul 22, 2002
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Have a look at these pictures, taken with the P800 inbuilt camera:
http://www.handykult.de/images/p800/p8001.htm
the quality is awfull, clearly as a digital camera, the P800 is pretty useless. For a decent picture you need at least 1 million pixels.
Also for a PDA, the P800 is kinda thick. Compare that to a Handspring Visor or a Sony Clie, they look more sleek and sexy. Also as a phone the p800 is too big. As a gaming machine, you'd better buy a Nintendo. And for web browsing, a pocket pc with a 320x240 screen is more suitable.
Conclusion. Could it be that the P800 suffers from the Swiss Army knife syndrome: it can do a lot of things, but all the things seperate are better in their particular task. A real scissor is better than the one in the swiss knife, and so is a seperate knife, and a good corkscrew. Less is more. |
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Johan
Joined: Dec 08, 2001
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Yes, this is what happens if you try yo make a product wich is supposed to do a lot of things.
Either one feature is good and the rest crap, or all features are average..
At this time it is not possible to combine a PDA and a Cellphone and make a 100 percent good product out of it.! |
n|ck_xp
Joined: Feb 16, 2002
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From: Greece/Rhodes
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You bouth a P800???
Where you find it? |
Brimme
Joined: May 18, 2002
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From: Netherlands Amsterdam
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How can the guy make picture with his p800 from his p800. does he have 2 p800s ??????
 P900 + P800 + K700i + T68i+ HBH-60 + ms duo128 |
sharkymark
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In one of the pictures is a T68. Maybe he used a MCA-20. |
MrSavoy
Joined: Oct 04, 2002
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Guys This is a first generation all in 1 device what do u expect? Were first generation cell phones so spectular? We were just happy we could talk and use it anywhere. Noone complained about the shitty battery life or the shitty analog call quality. This device if ut in the proper perspective is a kick ass device and does the job of combining all features into 1 very well imo.
Look at the great Nokia, heh, does their 7250 do it any better? Answer no, the P800 is better.
When 3g devices are available the second generation p800's and the like will be better as well.
I for one am amazed at the abilities of my T68i and amazed at the p800. You guys expect too much sometimes. Give this technology a chance to mature and in a couple of years we will all be blown away, I guarantee it.
BTW when lap tops first came out they were expensive as hell and sucked badly compared to today's models. Now look at what we have today, amazing lap tops for 1000 or so. Give it a little time, this is still cutting edge stuff no matter how you look at it.
I for one aplaude SE for leading the way in this new amazing frontieer we call mobile/wireless communication.computing. 
Regards.
-Savoy |
skjalg
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SonyEricsson P800 getested
Hi,
ich hatte Gestern die Möglichkeit einige Zeit mit dem P800 von S/// rumzuspielen.
Ich muß sagen, daß mich das Gerät fast komplett überzeugt hat. Leider war es eher eine Zufallsbegegnung und bin daher etwas unvorbereitet gewesen.
Display:
Das Touchscreen-Display(208!x320) stellt alles gestochen Scharf in leuchtenden Farben da. Unter den selben Lichteinflüssen war immer noch alles ordentlichauf dem P800 zu lesen. Beim Nokia 9210 konnte man nichts mehr erkennen. Man bedenke, daß das Display kein reflektives Display ähnlich dem des IPaq ist.
"Tastatur":
Wenn man die Tastatur ähnlich dem R380 über das Display klappt, dann muß man schon kräftig drücken um ein Ergebniss zu erzielen. Druckpunkt ist nicht vorhanden. Woher auch. Wenn man das Display weg geklappt hat, kann man direkt durch leichtes auf dem Screen tippen und da wird die Position sauber und präzise erkannt.
Darstellung (aufgeklappt):
In den Menüs wird großzügig mit Pinktogrammen und Textinfo gearbeitet. Scollbalken werden z.B. in einem netten 3D-Look gezeigt. Alles in allem sehen die Menüs aufgeräumt aus und scheinen am richtigen Platz zu sein. Auch ohne Anleitung kommt man leicht durch die einzelnen Punkte.
Programme:
Durch die Anwendungen konnte ich mich durch die kürze der Zeit nicht durchhangeln und habe daher alles überflogen. Drauf installiert ist so ziemlich alles was man brauchen kann. Die Viewer im Geräten können dutzende Format von Word über Excel und alles mögliche Anzeigen. Z.B. für die Ansicht von Dateianhängen oder wenn man mit einer Software die Dateiformate verarbeitet. Spiele habe ich nur 2 gesehen Schach und Solitär. Schach sah sehr nett aus.
Man kann übrigends alles sehr schnell mit dem advanced Jogdial am Gerät aufrufen und braucht nicht immer über das Touchscreen gehen.
Kamera:
Einen Minuspunkt bekommt die Kamera. Meines erachtens ist die schlechter als die MCA-20. Es gibt zwar einige Möglichkeiten die Qualität der Aufnahme anzupassen, wie z.B. die Helligkeit, Kontrast oder Kompression aber es reißts nicht raus. Ähnlich wie die Nokia 7650 Kamere wird das Bild in den Ecken unscharf und neigt zu einer gewissen unschärfe. Was für eine Darstellung auf den Minidisplays noch OK ist, aber per Email dann schon ein schwaches Bild macht.
Vorteilhaft, daß die Kamera schnell ist und es daher wenig schlieren bei der Aufnahme gibt.
Praktisch ist auch die schnelle Einhandbedienung mit dem extra Kameraknopf an der rechten Seite. Erste mal drücken, Kamera bereit, zweite mal drücken macht schon das Foto.
Leider ist die Linse nicht geschützt was mit ein wenig Kopfzerbrechen macht. Zwar ist die Linse etwas in das Gehäuse zurückversetzt, aber Dreck und Staub kommt da alle mal dran. Oder wenn man das P800 mal in einer Tasche oder Rucksack mitnimmt.
Internet Browser:
Der Internet Browser zegt alles Perfekt auf dem Screen. Keine Fehlerhaften darstellungen wie z.B. beim 9210(falsche Umbrüche, Formattierungen, ...). Durch das wirklich 1A Display kann man selbst bei der kleinsten Schriftgröße noch alles klar und deutlich erkennen und die Bedienung ist mit dem Stift einfach. Man kann bei Eingaben zwischen einem WinCE ähnlichen Graffiti und einem einblendbaren Keyboard (sehr klein) umschalten. Ich kam mit dem Keyboard besser zurecht, aber das soll hier jetzt mal nix heissen.
Der "Stift":
Der Stift ist eher ein Kaffelumrührer im iMac look. Praktisch um dem MemoryStick Duo Slot abzudecken. Meine Empfehlung: Im Zubehör einen richtigen PDA Stift kaufen der die Fingernägel passen feilen.
Akku:
Beim Akku rausnehmen habe ich schon fast Fragen müssen wie der raus geht. Ich habe keine Nase oder Öse gefunden an der ich ansetzen konnte. Im Moment hat der am Rand noch so "Kühlrippen". Ob das noch weg kommt?
Fazit:
Ansonsten ist alles dran und macht bis auf Kaffeumrüher im iMac look einen sehr wertigen Eindruck. Die Bedienung ist echt schön und sinnvoll Designed. Man erkennt an den verspielten Elementen Sony und am Nutzen Ericsson Einflüsse.
Das SonyEricsson P800 ist auf jedenfall die bessere Alternative zu einem Nokia
7650. Besonders hervorzuheben sind das Touchscreen, welches das P800 besonders in der Bedienung hervorhebt und natürlich der eingebaute Wechselspeicher in Form des MSduo.
Habe auch ein paar Bilder gemacht. Leider ein wenig unscharf, da ich den Mindestabstand der Q-Eye des 9210 nicht kannte. Sorry...
Unter den Bildern stehen immer Informationen zur Orientierung, was man sieht. Bilder die mit "291E..." Anfangen sind vom P800 bei sonnigem Wetter gemacht worden.
SonyEricsson P800 Biler
COULD SOMEBODY TRANSLATE THIS TO ENGLISH??
sorry about the caps.. |
skjalg
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translated.. kinda..
SonyEricsson P800 getested Hi,
I had yesterday the possibility some time with the P800 of S/// rumzuspielen. I must say that the device convinced me almost completely. Unfortunately it was sooner a chance encounter and was therefore somewhat unprepared.
Display: the Touchscreen-Display(208!x320) everything places pricked sharply in illuminating colors there. Under the same light influences, always yet all ordentlichauf was to be read the P800. In the Nokia 9210, one was able to recognize nothing more. Consider that the Display is no reflektives Display similar to that of the IPaq.
"Keyboard" : if one the keyboard similarly over the Display klappt to the R380, already strongly must press one to obtain around a result. Pressure point is not available. From where also. : -) If one has the Display away geklappt, can type one directly through easy on the Screen and there the position becomes cleanly and precise recognized.
Representation (aufgeklappt) : in the menus becomes generously with Pinktogrammen and text information worked. Scollbalken are shown for example in a nice 3D-Look. All in everything look cleaned up the menus and seem to be at the correct place. Also without instructions, one comes easily through the single points.
Programs: through the uses, I could not would shorten myself through that the time durchhangeln and have therefore all überflogen. Thereon installed so rather everything is what one can need. The Viewer in the device can dozens of format of word over Excel and all possible notice. For example for the view of file supplement or if one processes the file formats with a software. I saw games only 2 chess and Solitär. Chess looked very nicely. One can call übrigends of all very quickly with the advanced Jogdial at the device and needs go not always over the Touchscreen.
Camera: the camera gets a minus point. Mine consider is that more badly than the MCA-20. it gives to adapt to be sure some possibilities the quality of the reception, e.g. the brightness, contrast or compression however it tear it not out. Similar to the Nokia 7650 cameras the picture in the corners becomes fuzzy and tends to a conscience unschärfe. What kind of representation on the Minidisplays yet OK is, but per enamel then already a weak picture makes. Advantageously, that the camera quickly is and there is therefore little schlieren in the reception. Also the fast Einhandbedienung with the extra camera button is practical at the right page. Press first once, press makes camera ready, second once already the photo. Unfortunately the lens is not protected what makes with a little Kopfzerbrechen. To be sure the lens is something into the housing zurückversetzt, but dirt and dust comes there everyone once at it. Or if one brings the P800 once in a pocket or knapsack.
Internet browser: the internet browser zegt of all perfectly on the Screen. No defective representations e.g. in that 9210 (incorrect pageproofss, Formattierungen, ...) Through that really one himself can recognize in the littlest writing size of yet all clearly and clearly to 1A Display and is the operation with the pencil simple. One can shift upon inputting between a WinCE of similar Graffiti and an einblendbaren Keyboard (very small). I managed with the Keyboard better, but that should here now once nix of hot.
The "pencil" : the pencil sooner a Kaffelumrührer in the iMac look is. In order around to uncover the memory tic Duo slot. My recommendation: in the accessories a correct PDA pencil that buy suit file the finger nails.
Rechargeable battery: in the rechargeable battery rausnehmen, I have goes must already almost questions like that out. I have no nose or eyelet at that I found prepare could. In the moment, that has yet so "cool rib" at the edge. Does whether that come yet away?
Result: otherwise all is at it and makes up to Kaffeumrüher in the iMac look one very wertigen impression. The operation is really pretty and meaningful Designed. One recognizes lost by that elements Sony and at the utility of Ericsson influences. The SonyEricsson P800 is to be emphasized are on jedenfall the better alternative to a Nokia 7650. especially the Touchscreen, which emphasizes the P800 especially in the operation, and naturally the incorporated
change storage in form of the MSduo.
Also a couple of pictures had made. Unfortunately a little fuzzy because I did not know the least interval of the Q-Eye the 9210. Sorry.. Under the pictures always information to the orientation stands what one sees. Pictures that with "291E..." Beginnings are by the P800 in sunny weather made become. |
skjalg
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http://www.handykult.de/images/p800/Img00015.jpg
I dont think the picture quality is all that bad really.. I mean the quality is just like I expected it to be actually, and according to tests the quality is better than the one of the 7650.. |
cwchee
Joined: Jul 31, 2002
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Hey! Don't be stupid!
The P800 was never bulit to be used as a pure digital camera (same for the 7250). They are just there for the fun of it!
If you really want a decent photo, go get a good camera and not the P800. |
jb
Joined: May 21, 2002
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Well if you knew how to read you'd realise that the only pictures actually taken with P800 are the ones that start 291E*. I think it has a alot to do with how you take them; how shaky your hands are etc.
The last picture; of the guy's face is pretty okay.
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mixin
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the camera is there mainly for MMS...
which will mainly be veiwed on your phone, not your computer
so maybe they will look better on the actual phone?
i personally dont see what everyone is worrying about.. the pics look quite good IMO
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jnonhoffzieg
Joined: Sep 02, 2002
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The P800 is a good first try at an all-in-one device. The built-in camera is as good as anything on a mobile phone in today's market and the quality is quite acceptable. It isn't meant to compete with dedicated DigiCams.
But there are already alternatives out like T-Mobile's MDA (Siemens SX56, now also offered by AT&T). Granted that device doesn't have  or a camera but otherwise it looks like a better phone/PDA combo than either the 7650 or P800. We DO need to expect more and we will get it!
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ppcrockar
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Actually the thing that makes swiss army knifes so popular is the fact that you have one \"device\" with lots of functions. Exactly the same thing that would make the P800 popular. I Just love my swiss army knife it is very handy. And so would the P800 be. One could also say since a pda (palm, pocketpc) is nowhere as good as a ordinary pc you should buy a pc instead.
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Yann
Joined: Dec 23, 2001
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About camera quality :
Please don't forget that available P800 are prototypes and test units.
I know very latest beta version of the firmware have an improved Photo application. |
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Posted: 2002-10-13 20:57
P900 + 
ink p800:: 
urple t630:: 
